Please let the current Shudder Shaman die with this change! I'm so damn sick of that deck getting one-sided board flips for ridiculously low mana. Sad to see Illusionist go but it really had to with the way Rogue's been playing recently. Smokescreen dream is still there at least. The imp nerf is perfectly reasonable but I don't think it's gonna slow the deck too much. The card draw needs some attention. Curious if they can pull DH out of the shit but I doubt it. That class is so behind on everything it's almost like it was a bad design from the get-go.
yeah lets just kill the most central card to a very beloved deck that hasnt seen any success in any other variant since apprentice got nerfed and exodia died. not even close to a problematic deck right now, especially considering the high skill cap and the prevalence of decks like implock that annihilate it even with ice block.
Streamers sleeping on Suspicious Alchemist. The discovered card can be useful, the mind games are fun and it's a good 1 drop in a meta dominated by implock. It has won me so many games from a tight spot.
Sometimes even the 30-card mage seems better than the 40-card version because of the consistently good draws.
I have completed the Primordial Soup achievement very swiftly in Wild using an even smaller Naga package plus all of the cheapest transform/evolve spells. Since the combo is quite cheap to pull off, usually by turn 4 or 5 you can create a very wide board of beefy minions and scam your way to winning a few games along the way.
I think the Edwin buff is to help Rogue out with card draw. They don't really have many good options anymore and while Edwin is still a good lategame refill, you can rarely drop him earlier than turn 7 and expect to get decent value out of him. Now you can realistically just play him on 5 and have a chance to get at least one extra draw...also he's better with Shadowstep now.
Edwin is an already good card, that doesntt need the buff , and for draw rogue has other card draws that are bad, and actully need the buff like sprint, they could even buff silverleaf to 1, or shroud, or make double cross better (which woudl aslo help secret rogue)
And if its to help pirates aswell, could make hooktusk cheaper or ehck even cutlass coruer to 2 mana with less stats for that curve into swordfish
Okay, nerfs, and a small part of buffs revealed. My opinions;
- Vile Library nerf is small, very small, but to be expected. Early game this card easily snowballs, but implock being so easy to play against that Im not surprised that team5 only lightly tapped it on the hand. However, I think implock will continue to be that day 1 deck that at some point team5 would probably be forced to nerf it again, if only because the deck keeps traditional board classes like paladin unplayable. We'll see.
- Snowfall Guardian nerf is necessary, because the mirror matches are getting absolutely atrocious to handle. I think the real culprit here is macaw, but technically this forces shamans to deckbuild in a different direction, so I guess its fine. No more auto wins against board decks.
- Celestial Alignment may never recover from this. Good. I would prefer if team5 were to design the druid class away from that feast or famine identity, but this is a good decision nevertheless.
- Stag nerf unnecessary. Quest hunter will continue to do what they do, and face hunter is only ever on fringes especially the higher up you go. Hopefully the dust refunds affect all its cards.
As for buffs, I think I'll touch on it when the full list comes out. But out of the bat I feel team5 is making a mistake with buffing edwin. Rogue is already scamming wins as we speak, and while overall their win rate may not be as good as it seems, Im getting tired of losing to a deck that essentially highrolls itself to victory. We already have druid bs to contend with, we certainly dont need another class doing it.
Apart from anything else, the correct set of buffs for rogue should be getting would be to their secret package which stink so hard you can smell it three rooms away 4 years ago. Is it so hard to make Kidnap prevent battlecries? Because that card is so underwhelming its comical.
I knew keeping all those kobold illusionist cards from the past was a good idea. Nice payoff after merely 5 years of waiting.
Well, Freeze Shaman became a meme largely because for KotFT the devs knew it's not fun to play against someone who repeatedly freezes your whole board. Snowfall Guardian always felt like an example of the saying "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it", and could only have been designed because Freeze Mage's sins were too far back to be remembered clearly.
The Macaw was also a mistake of a design because there are just too many ways for it to become bs, but Snowfall Guardian is not innocent in all this.
Now I wonder...will the Wildseed nerf gives us refunds for all of the Wildseed cards? Because that would be ultra-sweet
Snowfall Guardian nerf I don't like entirely. I wish they would have made it a 5-mana 4/4 instead so you can more easily combo it with Cheaty Snobold. I really want proper Freeze Shaman back and now that the guardian itself isn't a win condition anymore, it should at least be a better utility tool. It already sucks compared to Varden.
Library nerf is good I guess.
Alignment nerf is 100% feels based because the card is almost unplayable at the moment, but it's also 100% deserved because fuck that thing (also I want my 800 dust back)
I think the Edwin buff is to help Rogue out with card draw. They don't really have many good options anymore and while Edwin is still a good lategame refill, you can rarely drop him earlier than turn 7 and expect to get decent value out of him. Now you can realistically just play him on 5 and have a chance to get at least one extra draw...also he's better with Shadowstep now.
There goes my hope to see Waygate Quest Mage getting hammered. Cheat Rogue is dead sure, and Priest need very lucky draw and dredge to pull turn 2 Neptulon. But no one can stop Mage now.
8 card requirements is a joke when there's plenty cheap cards synergies with it every expansion. They could easily nerf parrot to replay 6+ spells only.
Hello, hello! First of all, thanks NebuchadnezzarHS for making this thread, I´m a bit busy these days, so I´m greateful you took this task from me this time.
I´m at lvl 50 with one Daily and Weekly Ranked quest still up. I´ve bought the pass day one again, but I´m still miles away from the 20% XP boost. Same as Riffraff above me, I´m not playing Ranked, instead I´m focusing on doing XP achievements to get to the lvl 70 faster. Right now I´m at 40% done and counting. Again, great thing is, that you can find many key cards in Duels buckets, as well as treasures, so you don´t even need to own the cards to complete their achievements. F.e. one Duel treasure gives you 3 Legendary Invitations by default, so it requires only few runs to complete the Paladins Guest of Honor achievement without the Legendary itself.
Anyway, my free lvl 20 Legendary was The Countess (I know, kinda ironic, after I´ve completed the achievement mentioned above :D) and my lvl 50 Legendary was Pelagos. Both kinda dissapointing, since I really hoped for Imp King Rafaam or Topior the Shrubbagazzor. Still have one more chance, since my pitty timer is fairly close, so fingers crossed! :)
I would argue for Murlocula in the Murloc Shaman, it felt pretty good, once it comes to zero, it can help to re-establish board presence after a clear.
OMG I FUCKING LOVE DYING TO DENATHRIUS AT OVER 30 HEALTH! I FUCKING LOVE THAT MY OPPONENT CAN HEAL TO FULL AND DELETE MY BOARD AT THE SAME TIME WHILE KILLING ME. WHOOO, HVAING 20 MANA IS SOOO BALANCED AND FUN. THANKS BLIZZARD!
Thanks for your reply and research, Frosty. Now I can be a little calm, since I´ve spend all my gold on new packs. It didn´t cross my mind to save at least 1500 gold for a potential preorder skin return, until I´ve spent it all. Now I´m slowly hoarding back, hoping to have enough till KT returns to the shop. My only fear now is that I´ll miss the deal in shop, since it´s so stealthed and quickly gone - just like I´ve missed Skullbearer Illidan by one day :/ An article or a little reminder for the new skins in shop would be much appreciated :D
No diea why theyre buffing edwin, a already good card over cards that arent good alreay /used for rogue, (like sprint if wanna buff draw, hooktusk if wnna push pirates)
And why are they not changing macaw, when that the big issue people have with it and snowfall, that ut gets repeated multiple times
Nothing about guff or their insane search/ramp package for druid and just alingment
Only wild seeds hit, but not quest hunter which is aslo tier 1 and is much more hated by the players
Also no skely mage nerf, when alll other tier 1 are being hit
Nothing else hit in wild at all, not even bigpriest, which has been around longer tne big rogue.
No questmage either, or twig + sphere for druid or anythign besides big rogue
Im hapyp changes are happening at all, but the nerfs do seem abit of avoiding the bigger/more problematic cards,
and seems they will contiinue with buffing already good cards you where alreayd happy to draw/see instead of the ones that actully coulld use/need the buff (like happend with wig/harpoon gun)
Boy oh boy, I'm glad they decided to go with buffs. Good to see DH and Warrior get some much needed love. I, for one, really hope the Pally buffs pull the class out of its current slump; I've tried what feels like everything in the class to very little success. It's even sadder when the only other Pallys I match into are playing Sunken City decks, which aren't even particularly good now.
Kind of bummed that Snowfall Guardian got hit, but I get why the Battlecry was problematic (i.e: not really his fault; he died for the Macaw's sins :/ ). Freeze Shaman, you officially went from meme to the big leagues: who would'a thought one day one of your cards would be deemed worthy of the nerf-bat lol...
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Please let the current Shudder Shaman die with this change! I'm so damn sick of that deck getting one-sided board flips for ridiculously low mana. Sad to see Illusionist go but it really had to with the way Rogue's been playing recently. Smokescreen dream is still there at least. The imp nerf is perfectly reasonable but I don't think it's gonna slow the deck too much. The card draw needs some attention. Curious if they can pull DH out of the shit but I doubt it. That class is so behind on everything it's almost like it was a bad design from the get-go.
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yeah lets just kill the most central card to a very beloved deck that hasnt seen any success in any other variant since apprentice got nerfed and exodia died. not even close to a problematic deck right now, especially considering the high skill cap and the prevalence of decks like implock that annihilate it even with ice block.
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Bought the Tavern Pass as usual. Im lvl 49 with all quest completed.
BG and Arena ONLY , So no pack opening
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Streamers sleeping on Suspicious Alchemist. The discovered card can be useful, the mind games are fun and it's a good 1 drop in a meta dominated by implock. It has won me so many games from a tight spot.
Sometimes even the 30-card mage seems better than the 40-card version because of the consistently good draws.
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I have completed the Primordial Soup achievement very swiftly in Wild using an even smaller Naga package plus all of the cheapest transform/evolve spells. Since the combo is quite cheap to pull off, usually by turn 4 or 5 you can create a very wide board of beefy minions and scam your way to winning a few games along the way.
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Edwin is an already good card, that doesntt need the buff , and for draw rogue has other card draws that are bad, and actully need the buff like sprint, they could even buff silverleaf to 1, or shroud, or make double cross better (which woudl aslo help secret rogue)
And if its to help pirates aswell, could make hooktusk cheaper or ehck even cutlass coruer to 2 mana with less stats for that curve into swordfish
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
Okay, nerfs, and a small part of buffs revealed. My opinions;
- Vile Library nerf is small, very small, but to be expected. Early game this card easily snowballs, but implock being so easy to play against that Im not surprised that team5 only lightly tapped it on the hand. However, I think implock will continue to be that day 1 deck that at some point team5 would probably be forced to nerf it again, if only because the deck keeps traditional board classes like paladin unplayable. We'll see.
- Snowfall Guardian nerf is necessary, because the mirror matches are getting absolutely atrocious to handle. I think the real culprit here is macaw, but technically this forces shamans to deckbuild in a different direction, so I guess its fine. No more auto wins against board decks.
- Celestial Alignment may never recover from this. Good. I would prefer if team5 were to design the druid class away from that feast or famine identity, but this is a good decision nevertheless.
- Stag nerf unnecessary. Quest hunter will continue to do what they do, and face hunter is only ever on fringes especially the higher up you go. Hopefully the dust refunds affect all its cards.
As for buffs, I think I'll touch on it when the full list comes out. But out of the bat I feel team5 is making a mistake with buffing edwin. Rogue is already scamming wins as we speak, and while overall their win rate may not be as good as it seems, Im getting tired of losing to a deck that essentially highrolls itself to victory. We already have druid bs to contend with, we certainly dont need another class doing it.
Apart from anything else, the correct set of buffs for rogue should be getting would be to their secret package which stink so hard you can smell it three rooms away 4 years ago. Is it so hard to make Kidnap prevent battlecries? Because that card is so underwhelming its comical.
I knew keeping all those kobold illusionist cards from the past was a good idea. Nice payoff after merely 5 years of waiting.
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
Well, Freeze Shaman became a meme largely because for KotFT the devs knew it's not fun to play against someone who repeatedly freezes your whole board. Snowfall Guardian always felt like an example of the saying "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it", and could only have been designed because Freeze Mage's sins were too far back to be remembered clearly.
The Macaw was also a mistake of a design because there are just too many ways for it to become bs, but Snowfall Guardian is not innocent in all this.
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
Now I wonder...will the Wildseed nerf gives us refunds for all of the Wildseed cards? Because that would be ultra-sweet
Snowfall Guardian nerf I don't like entirely. I wish they would have made it a 5-mana 4/4 instead so you can more easily combo it with Cheaty Snobold. I really want proper Freeze Shaman back and now that the guardian itself isn't a win condition anymore, it should at least be a better utility tool. It already sucks compared to Varden.
Library nerf is good I guess.
Alignment nerf is 100% feels based because the card is almost unplayable at the moment, but it's also 100% deserved because fuck that thing (also I want my 800 dust back)
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I think the Edwin buff is to help Rogue out with card draw. They don't really have many good options anymore and while Edwin is still a good lategame refill, you can rarely drop him earlier than turn 7 and expect to get decent value out of him. Now you can realistically just play him on 5 and have a chance to get at least one extra draw...also he's better with Shadowstep now.
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
There goes my hope to see Waygate Quest Mage getting hammered. Cheat Rogue is dead sure, and Priest need very lucky draw and dredge to pull turn 2 Neptulon. But no one can stop Mage now.
8 card requirements is a joke when there's plenty cheap cards synergies with it every expansion. They could easily nerf parrot to replay 6+ spells only.
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Hello, hello! First of all, thanks NebuchadnezzarHS for making this thread, I´m a bit busy these days, so I´m greateful you took this task from me this time.
I´m at lvl 50 with one Daily and Weekly Ranked quest still up. I´ve bought the pass day one again, but I´m still miles away from the 20% XP boost. Same as Riffraff above me, I´m not playing Ranked, instead I´m focusing on doing XP achievements to get to the lvl 70 faster. Right now I´m at 40% done and counting. Again, great thing is, that you can find many key cards in Duels buckets, as well as treasures, so you don´t even need to own the cards to complete their achievements. F.e. one Duel treasure gives you 3 Legendary Invitations by default, so it requires only few runs to complete the Paladins Guest of Honor achievement without the Legendary itself.
Anyway, my free lvl 20 Legendary was The Countess (I know, kinda ironic, after I´ve completed the achievement mentioned above :D) and my lvl 50 Legendary was Pelagos. Both kinda dissapointing, since I really hoped for Imp King Rafaam or Topior the Shrubbagazzor. Still have one more chance, since my pitty timer is fairly close, so fingers crossed! :)
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I would argue for Murlocula in the Murloc Shaman, it felt pretty good, once it comes to zero, it can help to re-establish board presence after a clear.
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OMG I FUCKING LOVE DYING TO DENATHRIUS AT OVER 30 HEALTH! I FUCKING LOVE THAT MY OPPONENT CAN HEAL TO FULL AND DELETE MY BOARD AT THE SAME TIME WHILE KILLING ME. WHOOO, HVAING 20 MANA IS SOOO BALANCED AND FUN. THANKS BLIZZARD!
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Thanks for your reply and research, Frosty. Now I can be a little calm, since I´ve spend all my gold on new packs. It didn´t cross my mind to save at least 1500 gold for a potential preorder skin return, until I´ve spent it all. Now I´m slowly hoarding back, hoping to have enough till KT returns to the shop. My only fear now is that I´ll miss the deal in shop, since it´s so stealthed and quickly gone - just like I´ve missed Skullbearer Illidan by one day :/ An article or a little reminder for the new skins in shop would be much appreciated :D
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
No diea why theyre buffing edwin, a already good card over cards that arent good alreay /used for rogue, (like sprint if wanna buff draw, hooktusk if wnna push pirates)
And why are they not changing macaw, when that the big issue people have with it and snowfall, that ut gets repeated multiple times
Nothing about guff or their insane search/ramp package for druid and just alingment
Only wild seeds hit, but not quest hunter which is aslo tier 1 and is much more hated by the players
Also no skely mage nerf, when alll other tier 1 are being hit
Nothing else hit in wild at all, not even bigpriest, which has been around longer tne big rogue.
No questmage either, or twig + sphere for druid or anythign besides big rogue
Im hapyp changes are happening at all, but the nerfs do seem abit of avoiding the bigger/more problematic cards,
and seems they will contiinue with buffing already good cards you where alreayd happy to draw/see instead of the ones that actully coulld use/need the buff (like happend with wig/harpoon gun)
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
Yeah it is now like turn 4 at best pretty much,in line with other big decks
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
Sketchy doesn't get him anymore, so early game highroll is dead
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Rest in peace my sweet Kobold Illusionist. You were amazing while you lasted, but the nerf was necessary.
Upcoming Hearthstone Nerf Leaks Confirmed by Blizzard - Celestial Alignment Changed, Buffs to Paladin, Warrior, & More!
I believe you're thinking of the wrong Edwin: my assumption is they're changing the Edwin in Standard, Edwin, Defias Kingpin.
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Boy oh boy, I'm glad they decided to go with buffs. Good to see DH and Warrior get some much needed love. I, for one, really hope the Pally buffs pull the class out of its current slump; I've tried what feels like everything in the class to very little success. It's even sadder when the only other Pallys I match into are playing Sunken City decks, which aren't even particularly good now.
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Edwin VanCleef to 3 mana 3/3?
It felt like it wasn't that long ago that he was nerfed to a 4 mana 2/2 and then buffed back to 3 mana 2/2. And now there's this.
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Kind of bummed that Snowfall Guardian got hit, but I get why the Battlecry was problematic (i.e: not really his fault; he died for the Macaw's sins :/ ). Freeze Shaman, you officially went from meme to the big leagues: who would'a thought one day one of your cards would be deemed worthy of the nerf-bat lol...