Quote From Demonxz95

I did quite enjoy the last comp, but it does feel nice to go back to something Hearthstone.

But what if the source of damage is mage hero power?

I am aware of all of that but if you look at the art, in this context (the spirit healer, the other ghosts), the Wisp is certainly a night elf player.

More trivia based on Classic/Basic card art:

• King Krush actually depicts Lar'kowi (WoW TCG art) who is not a devilsaur but a much smaller ravasaur. The perspective makes it look like it could credibly be a devilsaur though.
• Mountain Giant's, Faerie Dragon's, and Leper Gnome's arts were originally concept arts for Warcraft 3 and WoW respectively, that were added on top of a background to make the art. Small indie company guys.
• The artwork for Grommash Hellscream is the cover for the novel Rise of the Horde. This explains why the framing is so bad. Most minion art depicts the entire body of the minion, not a part of it.
• The art for the never-chosen Uproot option for Ancient of War depicts Ivus the Forest Lord who is the Alliance counterpart of Lokholar you mentioned.
• The characters depicted on Gadgetzan Auctioneer and Booty Bay Bodyguard are brothers: Krixel & Vixton Pinchwhistle.
• Earth Elemental's art was originally used for a Hunter trap: Frost trap.
• If you look at Fen Creeper closely, you will see a female gnome who is fishing and seems unaware she's standing on this minion. That gnome was later given a name: Nemsy Necrofizzle (the complete art depicts her standing on Fen Creeper). It seems she has unexpectely become the minion's master.
• Stampeding Kodo is in fact not a Kodo but a Clefthoof. A totally-unrelated species native from Outland.
• Dark Iron Dwarf depicts Overseer Oilfist from the Thorium Brotherhood. Calling a card like this is like calling a card with a human artwork "Human".
• Dread Corsair's artwork was for the Revenge ability in WoW TCG. The warrior on the art is not shown.
• Emerald Drake is Eranikus, a boss from WoW Classic.
• Mindgames is Prince Malchezaar playing Karazhan's chess. In WoW, the chess pieces are the Horde and Alliance.
• Old Murk-Eye, Murloc Scout, and the Murloc token from Murloc Tidecaller all come from the same artwork.
• Imp Master's Imps are visible on her shoulder.
• Injured Blademaster's full art depicts him fighting a dwarf.
• Ironbeak Owl is in fact the pet of a dwarf hunter.
• Jungle Panther is in fact a shapeshifted night elf Druid, as shown by the ears and facial tatoos.
• Lightspawn is much smaller that what his HS card suggests.
• Mirror Entity's art is a reference to the Portal games.
• Raging Worgen depicts Alpha Prime, the first worgen.
• Defias Ringleader is not a Defias at all, he's an Alliance rogue who is about to decapitate an orc.
• The Mind Spike hero power is part of the same art as Corruption. Mind Shatter is part of Reliquary Seeker.
• Patient Assassin is actually underwater.
• Youthful Brewmaster depicts Chen Stormstout, one of the last important lore characters that aren't part of HS.
• Mana Wyrm has the laziest card art from all the original core sets: it's an altered screenshot from the original Burning Crusade trailer (at 1:33). Small indie company guyz!
• In WoW Classic, Perdition's Blade is a notable loot from Ragnaros. It was bis for Rogue during P1.
• Southsea Deckhand is in fact a member of the Defias as shown by the red mask.
• Whirlwind somehow escaped the great card art nerf even though it has both blood and boobs.
• The Wisp is a dead night elf player. In WoW, when NE players die, they have the form of a wisp so they can recover their dead body faster. The original card act depicts that: other spirits are lagging behind.
• Almost NO original card art from the original basic/classic set is original to HS. As we've seen, most of it comes from WoW TCG, official expansion artworks, book covers, concept art, and even screenshots from trailers (this explains why the framing of so many card is fucked up: they weren't made to be HS cards). There is only ONE exception: Acidic Swamp Ooze's art is original to HS!
• Up until 2016, most card art was re-used art. Knights of the Frozen Throne stands out as a "recent" expansion that still re-used a shitton of art. Nowadays, art re-use is extremely rare. The most recent example I can think of is Blazing Battlemage which is about to rotate.

Personnaly I'd prefer no voting system at all. I almost never use it. It makes sens for decks or for cards but for posts frankly that's bullshit. The only place where it may be justified is in the Fan Creations section, though then you can have only one counter for the whole thread.

*boomer mode on* Back in MY days from pre-social-media internet young people weren't so thirsty for attention and weren't constantly judging each other!

This effect is clearly not worthy of an epic gem. Blizz pls

Lifeweaver is hot

I’ve stopped playing Brawls a long time. Most are just boring pre-made decks or RNG fiestas. I don’t want to lose my time and sanity every week just to get one damn pack.

I think Blizz should change the pack condition from winning to simply playing x games without conceding. It’s in their interest too since they often use Brawl data for future designs.

That fire happened barely miles away from where I live. Kinda weird to think it had such far-reaching consequences.

RIP arena

Thanks for the heads up

Aaand it's finished! Just in time!

To give some answers:

• No neutral legendary is useful for all classes (Paladin will never use Malygos, etc). The difference between Subject 9 and other legendaries is that in S9 it's explicit.
• Both Jade Idol and Astral Tiger have in their time made Druid "the class that never fatigues". I thought it would be interesting to keep that aspect here, especially considering Druid's well documented weaknesses (lack of removal and aoes). It's not much, but it gives Druid a niche.
• For the flavor stuff, it was sometimes a consideration (that's why I made Libram of Submission and didn't just took Shrink Ray and bump its cost by 1). This is mostly a class issue though. When it comes to neutral, by definition you don't really need to have unified flavor unless you can't understand it outside of an expansion's specific context (eg the EVIL league). BTW Overdue Justice is a token from AoO, not scholo. I took it only because Light's Justice is ugly.

Hunter, Warlock, Warrior, are here. I wished I had time to polish but I'm trying to get them all out before tomorrow. Mage and Shaman are ready, only the formatting is left. Rogue is still under way.

EDIT: Mage & Rogue out! Only Shaman left!

Druid and Paladin out. Have to finish this quick.

Alright Blizzconline is very soon so I need to finish this before they reveal the actual official core set rework.

Here are the changes I made to my Classic set:

• Replaced my buffed version of Silverback Patriarch and Magma Rager with equivalent but new cards as a way for those 2 to keep their meme status.
• Replaced Fungalmancer with Sunborne Val'kyr which performs a similar function but is less dangerous.
• Replaced Corrosive Sludge with a nerfed (2/2) version of Acidic Swamp Ooze. The current ooze has vanilla stats so there's little penalty for including it in a deck, the tech effect is too powerful for it to have vanilla stats.
• Reduced Arcane Devourer's cost by (1)
• Replaced [Hearthstone Card (Amani Warbear) Not Found] with Silver Hand Knight. AWB is too good and versatile to be core.
• Substituted Serpent Ward (originally put in rare classic) with Pack Leader (originally put in basic).
• Strongly hesitated to completely remove the dragon aspects (except Deathwing) but opted to keep them all for flavor reasons.

@Zyella I may be more receptive to your comments if they were written less agressively and with better spelling

EDIT: Also new revision of the priest set added

To give some answers

• On the removal of Charge (which seems to be the most contentious point) : First thing is I didn't remove it completely since it is still present on Skycap'n Kragg (and will be on class legendaries). Second thing, the Charge keyword is a powerful keyword on any card especially those with a high attack/cost ratio. Having those in Core sets limits design space for future cards. Stonetusk Boar has been problematic several times (with [Hearthstone Card (Caverns Below) Not Found] and Dire Frenzy). Bluegill Warrior was problematic in Anyfin Paladin (even though that deck was never tier 1, it's uninteractive).
• On basic cards that are supposed to be bad : The game has been powercrept to such a degree that "fair" normal cards have nearly no change of seeing play. Even if the power level of the core sets is raised, the average power level of expansions is so high that new players will quickly learn how the game works anyway. I don't think a 2/4 Patriarch and a 7/1 Rager will change that. (Shieldbearer also serves that purpose of showing that stat distribution matters).
• On the core sets being pure tempo : I agree that my Basic set is nearly-pure tempo not by choice but as a consequence of it being simple. There's only that much you can do without advanced mechanics. For the Classic set however I tried to go beyond pure tempo and put some control/combo cards in there. Did I fail? It must also be compared to the currently existing sets. When you get rid of cards that are supposed to be control but are bad, there isn't much left anyway.
• Alexstrasza and Nozdormu : I changed their effect instead of HoFing them for one simple reason : they're cancer as they are. I don't want them in ANY MODE neither Standard nor Wild. Alexstrasza nullifies all efforts to counter combo decks. Nozdormu is bad because it penalizes players for reasons external to the game (disabilities, bad mobile, etc...). I stand by that choice.
• Malygos : The initial version of this post contained a lengthy explanation for each choice I knew would be controversial such as Maly but I scrapped this part because nobody would read it. I'll CP the Maly part : "Malygos is a good illustration of the difference between design space and deckbuilding space. Malygos restricts design space, namely space for cheap damaging spells. However, Malygos also created archetypes around him. Despite fears, those archetypes 1. have never been oppressive in the history of HS and 2. have varied across time. I estimate that the deckbuilding space Malygos creates is greater than the design space it restricts so I left him in the Classic set." (and yes, I will HoF Moonfire not just because of this interaction but also because it doesn't fit Druid in general).
• Justicar Trueheart : I'm not sure why it would be too OP. The only deck that historically played Justicar were Control Priest and Control Warrior, both of which can be countered (by sustained pressure and value generation respectively). Other classes' upgraded HPs are generally not worth playing a 6mana 6/3. Having Justicar in the Classic set also show players who didn't play during TGT/Witchwood what the upgraded HPs are.
• Subject 9 : Secrets aren't for tempo. Drawing 5 secrets (but you must first put them into your deck) may become too good at some point in the future, but like Malygos I think the deckbuilding space it opens is way greater than the design space it closes.
• Scrapyard Colossus, Fungalmancer : I admit those were on the edge and were pretty late inclusions in my sets. Colossus is supposed to fill the role of the high-value big minion that is awesome when cheated but maybe it restricts design space too much? Fungalmancer replaces Defender of Argus/Stormwind Champion as the zoo buffer. I remember that it became playable only after the nerf to [Hearthstone Card (Spiteful Summonner) Not Found] so presumably it won't see play everywhere.
• Arcane Devourer : My reasoning for not buffing it is that it could become broken if it is mana-cheated with the right cards. However I agree that in its current state it has no chance of seeing play. Will reduce its cost.
• Acidic Swamp Ooze... yeah it was a mistake to replace it with Corrosive Sludge. That change was made only to keep a smooth curve. I will reintroduce it in the next version (but as a 2/2).
• Yeah, I will continue to replace art that deserves to be replaced.

A new version of my neutral set is under way.

Quote From Demonxz95

It seems that the spam filter erroneously marked this as spam.

But I took care of it.

Thank you Demon. It was probably due to the terrible formatting of my post.

Cheese's Custom Core set revamp

Instead of doing 1 thread per class, I've decided to do a single master thread for my whole shit.

Some changes happened for the classes I already posted before according to the feedback I've received. There are also some revamped cards that I shamelessly ripped off from other people's reworks (credit is given when it happens) because the main goal of this revamp is not to be creative.

Directions

NEUTRALS

CLASS CARDS

DRUID

Dean looks like hes missing part of his head on this articles pic.

On topic: The throne of Elements with the 4 elemental lords of Draenor.

Can we have a fix for the HS app overheating iphones on mobile now pls ?