Bad gateway errors are never intentional. Receiving one just means the server had an issue processing your request. If it immediately resolves itself, it's not really an issue. If a page only ever gives you a 502, that's a problem. Ideally we'd never have any 502s happening, but certain race conditions have them pop up on occasion and it can be annoying to track down.
Cloudflare check on posting is intentional. It breaks enough of the automated bots that it has become a neccessary evil.
I'm going to be diving deep into Path of Exile's new league, Trial of the Ancestors, on August 18. I'm thankful they launch these at night here so it doesn't typically interfere with the day. I've currently got a playthrough of Cyberpunk 2077, which I started for the first time the other night when it was clear I wasn't getting to sleep anytime soon. Oracle of Seasons and Ages just dropped on Switch Online so I will need to find a time to play that as well. World of Warcraft will certainly also make an appearance, as it does during the month to complete the Trading Post as a bare minimum.
Last month I had a chance to sneak in a play of Techtonica which released a couple weeks ago. I've got most of the outline of a review ready to go, I just need to fill in the missing parts. Spoiler alert: It's a great factory/automation game and although it's a bit on the shallow end right now, you can see where it is going and I'm pumped for it.
Link, after getting to read all your Baldgur's Gate content, it makes me want to check it out (would be my first BG game) but I have no idea if I'll actually have the time considering there is a million other things to do outside of playing games. Maybe one day when it goes on sale...
It also sounds like you have a ton of games on the go which would drive me crazy. I'm already worried about my simple Cyberpunk playthrough that I started (and Tears of the Kingdom which I have yet to finish) being left in the dust to everything else and then if I do return to it one day, I'll have forgotten where I was and either alt+f4 or restart entirely.
Cheers to August!
Oh, also, I need to find some time to play more F1 2023. I have like an hour in it which is kinda sad times. No race weekends this month due to the F1 mandatory summer break does open up some time.
100% report the issue to Blizzard. I saw some code changes they made with the game update this week regarding how tradeable works internally so I wouldn't be surprised if there are issues with it on the client-side.
For those interested, the deck region to change cards now can have more than just one or two types of cards dragged on top of it to perform actions. Maybe they are planning on more drag to deck functionality of cards.
These cards ended up being lost during a data migration which is why we're... rendering the entire card database again. It's a lengthy project with there being almost 30k cards to render but we will be fixing cards on the site in batches. I am expecting us to have the stuff in standard done first, which should help with deckbuilding.
Nifty, you're just talking to yourself. That isn't really the purpose of these forums. As such, I'm locking this thread and any future threads where you're just talking to yourself. If you want a place to write more long-form, maybe we need to add the ability to blog on here.
A certain “content creator” was posting decks at the start of Festival of Legends with deck titles including stuff like “This deck is so broken” and I noticed they were literally posting the premade deck recipes.
That I'm not a fan of though. We don't really have any policies that are against that though.
Quite simply, it's allowed. I encourage content creators to post their decks here because it is a great resource for the community and it helps them build their channels which is only a positive thing for the game. Even better, some people link to their decks in their video descriptions which helps the site too - it's a mutual relationship =)
Seems about time that we have a thread to talk about the random games we've all been playing!
I'll get things started off for June 2023.
I've been dabbling in Path of Exile, aiming to get some more seasonal challenges done while we wait for Exilecon to announce the new season (and more PoE 2 info). I also recently was playing Diablo 4, though didn't really enjoy the experience (it will be better in a couple years certainly).
I've also had an opportunity to check out the new F1 23 game which feels like a solid improvement over F1 22. The new lighting looks fantastic and all the cars look better too. Small UI updates and overall better menu flow makes navigating with a steering wheel better. Regretfully I didn't get to write up a review for the game yet.
I'm hoping to get a chance to login to World of Warcraft Classic over the next couple of weeks since Midsummer Fire Festival is taking place and those achievements will be needed for that sweet Violet Proto-Drake =D
Also that Final Fantasy demo is calling my name. This weekend was absolute chaos though so I didn't get a chance to touch it.
Hearthstone card data no longer tries to reload on non-deckbuilder and non-collection pages.
Dev Note: A previous site update caused card data to be stored local to users to improve the speed of certain tasks on the site. This was a net-positive for many users with a few exceptions: slowdowns on some devices and connections throughout the day as fresh data was pushed onto clients and folks using locked-down firefox installs would have issues loading the card data at all. The result of this is that the deckbuilder takes additional time to load than it has in recent times but it should work for all users in all scenarios.
Fixed an issue where the Festival of Legends icon was failing to load for some users.
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That is true, but that doesn’t stop them from playing Standard, Wild, and BG’s. Why not throw the players who pay to play the game a bone and give them something that makes them keep playing?
Yeah that's my thing with a rotating format. Every format doesn't have to be for every person; Wild certainly doesn't cut it for most and Duels is in the same boat. Standard is there to keep players engaged without a huge investment so give old cards a chance to shine again in a rotating format.
Hell, I'd even be okay if they wanted to make a format where you could optionally rent the card pool for the rotation. $10 or 1000 gold gets you access to all the cards in that season's pool. It lets people who have huge collections take advantage of them but newer players can go try something new too. Maybe they dump a pass for it in the pre-order too. So many ways they could go about boosting engagement, but I believe that no matter what, they're going to be super concerned about standard queues declining so we'll get nothing.
Blizzard will half-ass it like they did with the release of Classic (they had zero plan outside of make Classic a thing again) and then cite poor engagement as a reason to stop updating it. All they had to do was push Naxx into Classic 2 months in, and then Goblins vs Gnomes a couple months after that and they could have had repeated engagement.
Expansions launch, 2 months later a mini-set launches. The perfect time to do something like a Classic swap is between those two events and between a mini-set and the next expansion. Why they don't rotate Duels even on a more regular basis blows my mind. They've made so many improvements and they finally figured out their cosmetics pipeline (which took an embarrassing amount of time) so what's up with the part that matters - playing the game.
Also, no new Tavern Brawls ever when it is probably one of the easiest modes to do shit with is beyond hilarious.
Push out Brawl Blocks once a month. There's a rotating format every 4-5 weeks and the engagement potential is huge. It requires minimal effort to think of the theme too.
I’m going to disagree, mainly because it’ll cost more money on a yearly basis. That wouldn’t bother me if Hearthstone had more ways to play with the cards I have (I know you’ve heard this from me before), but we don’t. Standard, Wild, Duels which I consider a waste of dev time, Tavern Brawl which only stays around because players would have a meltdown if they couldn’t get their weekly free pack, are the only modes in which our cards matter.
Standard rotates every year and Wild where broken decks exist (sometimes) are the main two formats. There are literally thousands of cards in the collection manager but the devs waste time on Mercenaries, Duels, and yet another forgettable Tavern Brawl, instead of giving us formats that fully utilize our collections. Not to mention I don’t think it has dawned on some of them that if they gave actual reasons for players to buy more packs, they’d buy more packs because they wanted to, not just to keep up with expansions/metas
I also can’t say Hearthstone is actively dying but rather it’s almost to the point where the majority of players who call it their ‘main game’ are the people fully invested, similar to the players who kept WoW alive when it had a few bad expansions (I’ve only heard good things about Dragonflight).
Edit: I mean hell, Tournament mode, formats, guilds. Basic things they can add within a year each and they choose not to do it but instead try to sell us more cards
That is why I said provided they don't increase the overall cost the same. If they effectively increase the price of playing by 33% with the additional set, that's a super hard pass from me.
They really do just need to stick another format in the game. Rotate the sets in it every couple of months and it'll be a breath of fresh air. I suspect they are too afraid to do it because it might end up making Standard look like a joke and we certainly can't have that happen! The best part is if they rotate content on a good enough schedule, you never need to balance anything! You could do card bans to keep the super annoying stuff out but that's fairly low effort.
I think this game is too expensive for most people in the world.
It’s too expensive period, even for a whale like myself. With rumors (and pretty much a downright confirmation) that Hearthstone will go from three expansions a year to four, I’d imagine a good chunk of us will jump ship and be done with it. The expansions, more importantly the cards, are worthless since Team 5 limits us on how we can play with them. So why buy more of them?
Yeah, honestly, I haven't played Hearthstone at all in like 2 years. The last expansion pre-order I bought was Sunken City and I still haven't opened the card packs for it. I was hoping to get back into it, but nothing really intrigued me. The year before that, there were a few games played during expansion launched, but hardly what I'd consider playing the game to be.
And I know I'm not alone in that. My close friend group, everyone played Hearthstone for years. Everyone slowly dropped out of the game though and people that did return would do so for at most a week during a new set. It took Blizzard too much time to figure out a decent cadence for game updates. I think 4 expansions will be a net positive for the game, provided that they keep the overall cost the same.
Bonus points for Bobby Kotick in that scenario because when they announce cheaper pack bundle prices, people that aren't clued into why that is happening (4 sets vs 3) they'll come back and buy cards.
I still think one of the worst things they ever did was give classes 2 legendaries each expansion. The power level of them due to them being unique to classes is just disgusting. The neutrals they were at least forced to tame them down a bit so they weren't all instant includes for all classes.
^ Though I'm sure someone can find me saying otherwise, because there was a point in time where I thought it was a positive from the "they'll be able to push at least two archetypes per class per expansion now", but I still viewed the cost increase as the big downfall.
Digital card games fucking suck. Riot has a pretty decent model but the game itself feels too jank to me. Give me a Hearthstone, minus 70% of the RNG, and a model closer to what Riot is doing with Legends of Runeterra, and I think that would make a solid card game. I'd make it myself if I had the time! True story, there was a point in time where it was planned to have a card game on Out of Cards itself.
Bad gateway errors are never intentional. Receiving one just means the server had an issue processing your request. If it immediately resolves itself, it's not really an issue. If a page only ever gives you a 502, that's a problem. Ideally we'd never have any 502s happening, but certain race conditions have them pop up on occasion and it can be annoying to track down.
Cloudflare check on posting is intentional. It breaks enough of the automated bots that it has become a neccessary evil.
Great on getting this started, Link! Hyah!
I'm going to be diving deep into Path of Exile's new league, Trial of the Ancestors, on August 18. I'm thankful they launch these at night here so it doesn't typically interfere with the day. I've currently got a playthrough of Cyberpunk 2077, which I started for the first time the other night when it was clear I wasn't getting to sleep anytime soon. Oracle of Seasons and Ages just dropped on Switch Online so I will need to find a time to play that as well. World of Warcraft will certainly also make an appearance, as it does during the month to complete the Trading Post as a bare minimum.
Last month I had a chance to sneak in a play of Techtonica which released a couple weeks ago. I've got most of the outline of a review ready to go, I just need to fill in the missing parts. Spoiler alert: It's a great factory/automation game and although it's a bit on the shallow end right now, you can see where it is going and I'm pumped for it.
Link, after getting to read all your Baldgur's Gate content, it makes me want to check it out (would be my first BG game) but I have no idea if I'll actually have the time considering there is a million other things to do outside of playing games. Maybe one day when it goes on sale...
It also sounds like you have a ton of games on the go which would drive me crazy. I'm already worried about my simple Cyberpunk playthrough that I started (and Tears of the Kingdom which I have yet to finish) being left in the dust to everything else and then if I do return to it one day, I'll have forgotten where I was and either alt+f4 or restart entirely.
Cheers to August!
Oh, also, I need to find some time to play more F1 2023. I have like an hour in it which is kinda sad times. No race weekends this month due to the F1 mandatory summer break does open up some time.
Sneak peek! Community compendium to get that hype rolling :)
https://outof.games/hearthstone/expansions/titans/community-compendium
100% report the issue to Blizzard. I saw some code changes they made with the game update this week regarding how tradeable works internally so I wouldn't be surprised if there are issues with it on the client-side.
For those interested, the deck region to change cards now can have more than just one or two types of cards dragged on top of it to perform actions. Maybe they are planning on more drag to deck functionality of cards.
Oops, these got uploaded but never flagged with their categories. Getting on that now.
Yes. Temporary forum vacation =)
This should be resolved.
These cards ended up being lost during a data migration which is why we're... rendering the entire card database again. It's a lengthy project with there being almost 30k cards to render but we will be fixing cards on the site in batches. I am expecting us to have the stuff in standard done first, which should help with deckbuilding.
Sorry for the trouble!
We've added this to the database early even though Kibler hasn't revealed the card text yet. Guess what it will be!
Nope.
Nifty, you're just talking to yourself. That isn't really the purpose of these forums. As such, I'm locking this thread and any future threads where you're just talking to yourself. If you want a place to write more long-form, maybe we need to add the ability to blog on here.
That I'm not a fan of though. We don't really have any policies that are against that though.
Quite simply, it's allowed. I encourage content creators to post their decks here because it is a great resource for the community and it helps them build their channels which is only a positive thing for the game. Even better, some people link to their decks in their video descriptions which helps the site too - it's a mutual relationship =)
Seems about time that we have a thread to talk about the random games we've all been playing!
I'll get things started off for June 2023.
I've been dabbling in Path of Exile, aiming to get some more seasonal challenges done while we wait for Exilecon to announce the new season (and more PoE 2 info). I also recently was playing Diablo 4, though didn't really enjoy the experience (it will be better in a couple years certainly).
I've also had an opportunity to check out the new F1 23 game which feels like a solid improvement over F1 22. The new lighting looks fantastic and all the cars look better too. Small UI updates and overall better menu flow makes navigating with a steering wheel better. Regretfully I didn't get to write up a review for the game yet.
I'm hoping to get a chance to login to World of Warcraft Classic over the next couple of weeks since Midsummer Fire Festival is taking place and those achievements will be needed for that sweet Violet Proto-Drake =D
Also that Final Fantasy demo is calling my name. This weekend was absolute chaos though so I didn't get a chance to touch it.
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Yeah that's my thing with a rotating format. Every format doesn't have to be for every person; Wild certainly doesn't cut it for most and Duels is in the same boat. Standard is there to keep players engaged without a huge investment so give old cards a chance to shine again in a rotating format.
Hell, I'd even be okay if they wanted to make a format where you could optionally rent the card pool for the rotation. $10 or 1000 gold gets you access to all the cards in that season's pool. It lets people who have huge collections take advantage of them but newer players can go try something new too. Maybe they dump a pass for it in the pre-order too. So many ways they could go about boosting engagement, but I believe that no matter what, they're going to be super concerned about standard queues declining so we'll get nothing.
Blizzard will half-ass it like they did with the release of Classic (they had zero plan outside of make Classic a thing again) and then cite poor engagement as a reason to stop updating it. All they had to do was push Naxx into Classic 2 months in, and then Goblins vs Gnomes a couple months after that and they could have had repeated engagement.
Expansions launch, 2 months later a mini-set launches. The perfect time to do something like a Classic swap is between those two events and between a mini-set and the next expansion. Why they don't rotate Duels even on a more regular basis blows my mind. They've made so many improvements and they finally figured out their cosmetics pipeline (which took an embarrassing amount of time) so what's up with the part that matters - playing the game.
Also, no new Tavern Brawls ever when it is probably one of the easiest modes to do shit with is beyond hilarious.
Push out Brawl Blocks once a month. There's a rotating format every 4-5 weeks and the engagement potential is huge. It requires minimal effort to think of the theme too.
That is why I said provided they don't increase the overall cost the same. If they effectively increase the price of playing by 33% with the additional set, that's a super hard pass from me.
They really do just need to stick another format in the game. Rotate the sets in it every couple of months and it'll be a breath of fresh air. I suspect they are too afraid to do it because it might end up making Standard look like a joke and we certainly can't have that happen! The best part is if they rotate content on a good enough schedule, you never need to balance anything! You could do card bans to keep the super annoying stuff out but that's fairly low effort.
Yeah, honestly, I haven't played Hearthstone at all in like 2 years. The last expansion pre-order I bought was Sunken City and I still haven't opened the card packs for it. I was hoping to get back into it, but nothing really intrigued me. The year before that, there were a few games played during expansion launched, but hardly what I'd consider playing the game to be.
And I know I'm not alone in that. My close friend group, everyone played Hearthstone for years. Everyone slowly dropped out of the game though and people that did return would do so for at most a week during a new set. It took Blizzard too much time to figure out a decent cadence for game updates. I think 4 expansions will be a net positive for the game, provided that they keep the overall cost the same.
Bonus points for Bobby Kotick in that scenario because when they announce cheaper pack bundle prices, people that aren't clued into why that is happening (4 sets vs 3) they'll come back and buy cards.
I still think one of the worst things they ever did was give classes 2 legendaries each expansion. The power level of them due to them being unique to classes is just disgusting. The neutrals they were at least forced to tame them down a bit so they weren't all instant includes for all classes.
^ Though I'm sure someone can find me saying otherwise, because there was a point in time where I thought it was a positive from the "they'll be able to push at least two archetypes per class per expansion now", but I still viewed the cost increase as the big downfall.
Digital card games fucking suck. Riot has a pretty decent model but the game itself feels too jank to me. Give me a Hearthstone, minus 70% of the RNG, and a model closer to what Riot is doing with Legends of Runeterra, and I think that would make a solid card game. I'd make it myself if I had the time! True story, there was a point in time where it was planned to have a card game on Out of Cards itself.