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Pack Tactics & Overconfident Orc - is this right?

I've noticed while playing Highlander Hunter that there is an unusual interaction between Pack Tactics and Overconfident Orc. When your Overconfident Orc is summoned as a 3/3, the game considers him not to be at "full health" and he doesn't get the bonus +2 attack. It seems to me like the token should be a 5/3 while he's undamaged, since the wording on the card says "while at full health".

Does this seem like a bug?

Trying to think of other examples, like if you played Sunkeeper Tarim on a board with a Tar Creeper, it would still get its +2 attack and show as a 5/3 while defending. And of course an enrage minion doesn't get its enrage bonus when a 3/3 token of it was summoned. (I just tried this out with Spiteful Smith and the 3/3 token does not buff the weapon while undamaged.)

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  • I've noticed while playing Highlander Hunter that there is an unusual interaction between Pack Tactics and Overconfident Orc. When your Overconfident Orc is summoned as a 3/3, the game considers him not to be at "full health" and he doesn't get the bonus +2 attack. It seems to me like the token should be a 5/3 while he's undamaged, since the wording on the card says "while at full health".

    Does this seem like a bug?

    Trying to think of other examples, like if you played Sunkeeper Tarim on a board with a Tar Creeper, it would still get its +2 attack and show as a 5/3 while defending. And of course an enrage minion doesn't get its enrage bonus when a 3/3 token of it was summoned. (I just tried this out with Spiteful Smith and the 3/3 token does not buff the weapon while undamaged.)

  • I agree with you that the token should have +2 attack while at full health. I dunno, maybe the pack tactic mechanic kinda forced the stats to be 'just' 3/3 whatever the condition there is. I'm just guessing here.

  • You can check the interaction with stuff like Zerek's Cloning Gallery, Herald Volazj, Shadow Essence, Barnes, Dollmaster Dorian, Holomancer, Muckmorpher, Power Word: Replicate, Shadowcaster, Flobbidinous Floop, Kobold Illusionist, Mirage Caller, Prince Taldaram or Sonya Shadowdancer. Could also be intersting to see if the copy had higher stats than the original, if that worked properly, the only way to do that is probably Splintergraft.

    Kinda interesting actually to see how few cards summon a copy with exact stats, most of them being legendaries and most of them summoning 1/1s. Hmm.

    Staff

  • Okay I was still curious so I tried some of these out. The Holomancer interaction is broken in the same way the Pack Tactics one is. The token should be a 3/1 (or a 1/1 with +2 attack buff) but it's just a 1/1.

    Then I tried it out with Emeriss. WTF?! Okay, in hand it's a 2/12 just like you'd expect. But then, when you play it, it becomes a 2/12 with +4 attack?! So it shows as a 6/12. Somehow the Emeriss handbuff also doubles the board-based bonus?!?!

    I've got a screenshot and a short video but I don't see any way to upload them into the forum posts.

    • Quote From daggydwarf

      Okay I was still curious so I tried some of these out. The Holomancer interaction is broken in the same way the Pack Tactics one is. The token should be a 3/1 (or a 1/1 with +2 attack buff) but it's just a 1/1.

      Then I tried it out with Emeriss. WTF?! Okay, in hand it's a 2/12 just like you'd expect. But then, when you play it, it becomes a 2/12 with +4 attack?! So it shows as a 6/12. Somehow the Emeriss handbuff also doubles the board-based bonus?!?!

      I've got a screenshot and a short video but I don't see any way to upload them into the forum posts.

      You need to upload images/videos to an external site and then paste URLs. We do not have a storage/"upload from your PC" function on the site yet.

      Thanks for testing tho, it does seem that you have found yet another Blizzard spaghetti code. Must be Tuesday :)

      Staff

  • Looks like its a bug, or its the way the effect was coded. Could be that the card is actually a 3/6 with 2 damage reduced when it takes damage

    Not sure about this, but when the card is played, his attack doesnt glow green to indicate a buff. Perhaps its a case of the effect being coded differently than the description despite both having the same apparent effect.

    Friendly

    • Yeah, you're right, it doesn't glow green so it is somehow not considering the +2 attack as a buff.

      I tried out Splintergraft as well, and the 10/10 Overconfident Orc stays as a 10/10 on the board, similarly to the 1/1 and 3/3 tokens.