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Grim Tutor - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread
Submitted 3 years, 11 months ago by
ShadowsOfSense
Competition Theme: Grim Tutor
We've appeased two of the Old Gods, but there's still two left! We need another card for them...
- You must create a card that tutors a minion and/or spell
- To 'tutor' a card means to draw it from your deck - things like Claw Machine or Swindle are examples which draw from specific subsets.
BloodMefist realised that we only catered to two of the four Old Gods last week, so they've tasked us with pleasing Yogg and C'Thun this week.
As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.
Competition Phases
Here are the phases of this card design competition
- Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Nov 23 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sat, Nov 28 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
- Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Nov 28 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sun, Nov 29 16:00 EST (GMT -0500)
- Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Nov 29 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Mon, Nov 30 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
- Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.
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Competition Theme: Grim Tutor
We've appeased two of the Old Gods, but there's still two left! We need another card for them...
BloodMefist realised that we only catered to two of the four Old Gods last week, so they've tasked us with pleasing Yogg and C'Thun this week.
As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.
Competition Phases
Here are the phases of this card design competition
Discussion Thread Rules
No thread rules were added to this season. Please populate and manually edit this thread with them.
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It's a bit weird that minion tutors are allowed, since both C'thun and Yogg benefit from spell tutors exclusively. In any case, I'm not opposed to it, 'cuz last week's competition was already restrictive enough.
Anyways, here's my first idea:
Not sure if I should re-do the flavor so that it is Old Gods related.
Edit: Added Maleficent Willow.
Not necessarily because minion tutors could also tutor C'Thun or Yogg-Saron themselves.
Just a few days, there was a deck in one of the news article that ran Witchwood Piper specifically for drawing C'Thun once he was assembled.
I wish I could find appropriate art for the Strength-Tester/High Striker carnival game, to make it truly fit as an MDF card.
The X in the weapon's Attack stat is the Attack of the minion, of course; the highroll being something like Deathwing, Mad Aspect.
I have a few questions about the prompt, as I could see some confusion about what counts as tutoring.
1. Is the card restricted to "draw a minion" or "draw a spell"? The main page for the theme seemed to imply that something like Sense Demons was okay, as well as more restrictive tutors. There are more specific ones like Call to Adventure, Stowaway or Kronx Dragonhoof which would open up a lot of options, but I'm sure if those types of tutors are valid.
2. Does the card need to specifically say the word draw? Cleric of Scales and Grand Empress Shek'zara both discover cards but I would consider them tutors in my opinion.
3. Can the card give you a copy of the card instead of directly drawing it from your deck? Shadow Visions and Stitched Tracker come to mind.
4. I don't think cards like Sightless Watcher or arguably Lorekeeper Polkelt which can set up the cards you want on top of your deck count, but I just want to make sure. The same goes with cards from your opponent''s deck, like Psionic Probe or the uncollectible death knight card Death Grip.
5. Would something like Gral, the Shark be valid? It is a weird case where you don't get the card until it dies. In my opinon, is counts as a tutor but there's a delay in getting the card to your hand.
These come straight from Shadows.
Stowaway might not work then, if you played Academic Espionage against a warrior and shuffled weapons into your deck which could be drawn.
First Idea here:
Some initial ideas. Something between the build around of Dragon's Fury and the option based on the spell that Guess the Weight introduced to Druid.
I'm not sure whether I should follow the Old Gods theme, but I like the flavour on this too much to not at least put it out there:
The dual class cards for Hunter/Druid were a little tilted towards Druid. This attempts to rectify that, by providing a tool that can be used by both classes. Hunter can look for Savannah Highmane, Bloated Anaconda, or even Phase Stalker or Krolusk Barkripper. Meanwhile, Druid can look for Marsh Hydra, Winged Guardian or Twilight Runner. Of course, both classes can also look to Teachers Pet, Bad Luck Albatross or even Darkmoon Rabbit for a massive turn.
Feedback!
Linkblade91 - I think this is fine, apart from the fact that Upgrade exists. A 12/1 weapon, in a deck that doesn't really push face is fine. However, combined with a couple of upgrades, even a low roll in a big warrior deck could look at dishing out 20+ damage.
fungusABAO - I assume targets are chosen randomly? Also, how would this work with minions such as Muckmorpher, which rely on a body on which to apply the battlecry? I get what you're aiming for, but I feel like there are too many conditional battlecries for this to feel simple enough
Davnan Killder - Your Crescent Moon is an eclipse. Also, a crescent moon is just a coverall term for a waxing/waning moon.
Moon pedantry aside, the actual card is fine. I assume all 4 options would be offered (like Siamat) rather than a discovery mechanic used, and if that isn't the case, I'd consider rewording it, but otherwise, you're fine.
Here are my ideas:
The mage minion can function like a Novice Engineer early in the game, but can provide a chain of spells to cast in the late game. Best for a tempo mage deck, as they have many low-cost spells and can run out of steam quickly.
The paladin card is another tool to help the murloc dragon paladin deck work. Not sure if the name is the most appropriate, but I wanted to capture some of the old god flavor, using Prismatic Lens mixed with a Darkspeaker effect as a precedent. A 2/3 murloc and a 8/8 dragon drawn would result in a 8/8 murloc and a 2/3 dragon. As most murlocs are small and most dragons are large, it likely results in a cheap, overstated murloc for a large tempo boost in exchange for an understatted dragon later.
Edit: Added Heart of the Wild, which is the battlecry of the hero card I posted two weeks ago in the discussion topic.
Feedback:
Wailor - I like the first card but I have a feeling that Elune's Scholar might whiff too often, even if you try to build around it. I would consider making it a Celestial Emissary like effect. It should also say play instead of cast for text consistency with Instructor Fireheart and Stiltstepper.
Maleficent Willow is certaintly interesting. I think warlock would like this a lot more than druid, but I could see some cool builds. Isn't this a choose one effect and not a battlecry?
linkblade91 - I really like the idea and flavor! As shaveyou noted, adding the durability to the weapon could be a problem. Has there been an X as a stat in a Hearthstone card before? It's certainly interesting.
fungusABao - You might want to go down the Murmuring Elemental route for more flexability. Also, the Overload isn't necessary as 2 mana is enough for the effect. As it is, the card is quite underpowered.
DavnanKillder - I think if there's a maximum of 4 cards allowed for submission, if the hero card comp two weeks ago was any indication, so you would have to cut one of the options. Also, there's a few grammar errors. There's some missing periods, armor is capitalized, and it should say "spell's cost". Definitely a cool card, and I would like to see it work.
shaveyou - Solid card and provides good options for both classes. Since you mentioned a bunch of minions with deathrattles and attack triggers, I kinda want the copy to have rush and it would help reinforce the flavor, but that might be too much and give people Guardian Animals flashbacks.
I was debating whether or not to even post these since I noticed that so many winners this season were from people who never posted their card in the Discussion Topic, and was wondering if me doing the same thing would improve my scores.
But I'm caving in and posting them.
Feedback:
Wailor - Elune's Scholar seems fine. Fairly derivative of Acrobatics and Stiltstepper. All in all, it seems okay to me. Maleficent Willow seems more interesting to me, although I'm pretty sure the effect is supposed to be a Choose One and not a Battlecry.
Linkblade91 - Hilariously flavored, and for the most part seems to hit a good spot as far as power goes. I can't help but think of using this with Upgrade!
FungusABao - It might be better for it to only draw Battlecry minions, or else the effect might be wasted too easily.
Davnan Killder - Although there's nothing wrong with the card itself as far as balance goes, it might be too complicated for most voters. Otherwise though, the card is fine.
Shaveyou - The balance of the card seems perfectly fair, and there's definitely some neat things you can do with it. My biggest problem with the card is that is perhaps parallels too much with Teacher's Pet, which has the same exact 5/4/5 statline, effect that summons Beasts, and the same Hunter/Druid class pairing. I also feel a bit of a disconnect from the name and everything else with the card.
Grumpymonk - Arlizz Spellweaver seems fine, although in practice, it probably functions too much like another Mage Legendary, Stargazer Luna. Freak Show certainly excels in the flavor department, and it's a neat way to make big Murlocs, although since the Dragon will most likely have really low stats now, the Dragon itself was basically a dead draw.
Doing only spells since I feel like that’s the focus with both the old gods
Feedback (feel free to contest it if you think it’s wrong):
Wailor
ES — -1 star for aesthetics (not really related to MDF), so 4/5
MW — -1 star for aesthetics (the “discard” on the second clause should be capitalized), so 4/5
linkblade91
TYS — -1 star for aesthetics (the difference in art styles is a real eyesore for me), so 4/5
fungusABao
TF — -1 star for aesthetics (not MDF related, should be a space between the ‘:’ of the Overload and the number), so 4/5 stars
DavnanKillder
LB — -2 stars for critical fail in aesthetics (non-HS art, many formatting errors), -1 star for idea (too many tokens with wildly different effects), so 2/5
shaveyou
PB — -1 star for aesthetics (not related to MDF), so 4/5
grumpymonk
AS — -1(?) star for balance (I think it’s too strong in burn mage, could be wrong though), so 4(5?)/5
FS — -2 stars for critical fail in idea (technically it’s allowed, but doesn’t actually benefit either of the old god cards), -1 star for balance (think of it as draw a huge cheap Murloc and burn a dragon in your deck, which isn’t that big of a downside), so 2/5
HotW — -1 star for aesthetics (don’t really see a connection between the name/theme and the actual effect), so 4/5
Demonxz95
CsoC — 5/5
F — -2 stars for critical fail in idea (technically it’s allowed, but doesn’t actually benefit either of the old god cards), -1 star for aesthetics (not really related to MDF), so 2/5
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
Thanks everyone for your feedback! As many of you pointed out, Maleficent Willow was meant to have Choose One, not Battlecry. In fact, I made a first version with the correct keyword, but I made second version to correct a minor error and screwed up the keyword in the process 🤦♂️
I've already corrected the keyword and submited the card, since I was pretty satisfied with it and you guys seemed to think it was balanced enough.
Alright, feedback time:
linkblade91
fungusABao
DavnanKillder
Besides that, you're missing full stops in all tokens besides Full Moon.
shaveyou
grumpymonk
Arlizz Spellweaver is also pretty interesting.
Demonxz95
Feathershot is not bad per se, but I don't like its similarity to Necrium Apothecary.
DestroyerR
About your feedback, discard isn't capitalized (see Howlfiend).
@Wailor I meant it should be capitalized because every second clause in Choose One cards starts with a capitalized word (see Rising Winds)
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
Right... Too late, I already submitted :c
Sorry I couldn't participate in the discussion last week, still very busy at work and doing overtimes. I'll give feedback tonight, I promise. Demon's Hunter Weapon is my favorite so far.
What do you think about this?
No more sad games where you just don't draw your old god or your Survival of the Fittest. 5 mana draw 1 is obviously very bad, but Druid can afford it easily with all their ramp and I think having a reliable tutor for your win condition makes up for the tempo loss.
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
I don't know If It Will continue with the Moon Idea, because like some people alerted, it's possible submit only 3 tokens and the number of effects/options can be a donwside for somes.
In the same Spirit of a tutor with a bonus bases in a choice of the player, made this version, with a Choose one after the draw and a combined version (Because Fandral Staghelm and Untapped Potential reward.
Eh I made something its quite awful
Self proclaimed good at battlegrounds
Modified version for [Hearthstone Card (Thrall's Fury) Not Found]:
Changed the art & name & watermark to make it fits to the Festival part of MDF and Deleted the overload. This will give the minion you draw with that card a greenish light around it to tell you this card can trigger its battlecry twice.
Feels somehow OP now, probably change it to 3 mana or give it "overload:(1)"? And about the name, probably "Come And Play!" or something like that will be more flavorable? Hoping to hear more feedbacks.
Feedbacks later today.
I have a few cards already made that fit for this competition. Here are two of them:
High Justice Grimstone helps you tutor your old gods, or whatever other legendary you want. Expert Tracker is a sort of mini-The Curator. It gives shaman some much needed draw, without giving them a whole lot of card advantage. It doesn't really fit the theme or have much synergy with the old gods, but I think it is a pretty cool card.
Carrion, my wayward grub.
Decided to submit early. There were a few cards that were close to stepping on my toes although they weren't particularly well made, so I wanted to put my version out there fast before anyone else did.
I misread the rules and my card breaks them. Is there anyway to take back my submission and do a new one?
We do not have the means for edits or redos :( Once you've submitted, your card is locked in for the week.
I've gotten some comments on reddit stating my card is too expensive. I made it cost 5 mana with ramp in mind, but I see how a 5 mana do nothing doesn't seem very attractive. Not sure if 3 or 4 is the right spot yet. Any thoughts from you guys and gals?
Feedback!
Sothis: No, I'm afraid there isn't. :/
KANSAS: I prefer Grimstone. Nothing to criticize here.
fungusABao: I like your idea. Considering Corrupt the Waters needs quite some set up and then still doesn't draw a card like yours does, 3 mana would certainly be justified. I also think changing the name is a good idea, Lil' Rag is a Battlegrounds only thing for me.
MenacingBagel: I don't like the effect very much, I'm sorry. The art looks nice enough, though and a mech in Warrior usually works well.
DavnanKillder: Your cards may look a bit complicated at first glance, but I really like your creativity and how you manage to find cool and fitting art. That said, there's a typo in them: it should be "its", not "it's ".
DestroyerR: Solid card, but not too exciting imho.
Demon: Nice to see other people observing votes and things that might influence them. My current theory is that submitting very early might actually help. That said, I like your card and rated it 4 stars for now, but I would have given Feathershot 5 because I'm a sucker for Deathrattle Hunter cards.
grumpymonk: Arlizz feels too close to Instructor Fireheart for my taste. Freak Show doesn't look very flavorful to me - while dragons and murlocks are a Paladin thing, they don't fit into Darkmoon Faire very well. Heart of the Wild looks good.
shaveyou: Nice card, I like it. It fits the Scholomance Beast theme for Druid and Hunter very well. Some juicy Deathrattle targets in Hunter would very much like to see this printed. Very cool idea!
linkblade: Interesting idea, but you're right, the art isn't fitting very well yet. I'm also not sure if people will reward the creativity of the effect or punish you for doing something unprecedented.
Wailor: I really like your card, good work! The only thing I would have liked you to change is make the discard either random or targeted (highest cost or something). Right now I'd interpret it as freely targeted and that's the reason I gave only 4 stars, since this would require a new form of interaction with your hand.
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This has been through a few iterations in the past 15 minutes, originally drawing a taunt minion and reducing it's cost but I didn't think that fit warrior so this is what I've got atm
I just can't find the art I want for Test Your Strength, so I'm giving up on it. Here's a new idea I have: a tutoring Secret! It's not MDF-related, but rather Scholomance:
One-up your opponent's play with a bigger/better spell of your own. If they play Arcane Intellect, you might draw a Blessing of Kings, for example. Open to suggestions on a better name; neither of them are working for me right now.
Edit: Because the idea is so similar, I also included Strength Competition. That's a little better for MDF.
Working on feedback next.
As promised:
AnAngryBadger - I like the flavor of it, your drawn minion coming to protect the Damsel, although it might make more sense in The Witchwood. It doesn't have much "wow" factor, but the idea is solid enough.
KANSAS - I feel like I've seen these somewhere before :P Of the two, I like Expert Tracker more: it's very versatile, while still being restricted enough to encourage tinkering with your deck. Grimstone is solid, but he's so universal that he could become an auto-include and that's boring.
fungusABao - It first reminded me of Murmuring Elemental, but instead of an Elemental body you get to draw the minion and hold onto the double-trigger. Probably should cost more (or Overload), if only because not being relegated to "this turn" is strong. Beyond that, I like it! The name should definitely be changed.
MenacingBagel - This seems crazy good in a Big Warrior deck. Armor up so your Health exceeds your opponent's, then burn them down with big clear after big clear. Don't even have to play the big minions; just let Grabshock do the work.
DavnanKillder - I agree with moving on from the moon card, if-only because we don't provide enough submission slots for the concept to play out as much as you might want it to. I like Call of Yogg-Saron more, anyway. If possible, I would maybe switch out the "Call of Power" art - that's Medivh, the Mage hero, so it would be weird for him to be associated with a Druid card (and a Yogg card at that).
anchorm4n - It should probably cost 3: Juicy Psychmelon can tutor out even more minions for 4-mana, including one that costs 10. This is a single draw, and has to be Corrupted to get the max value. That being said, I like how versatile it is overall, including the question of whether or not you actually want to Corrupt it.
DestroyerR - Interesting effect, "shuffling" your deck to guarantee that the next two cards will also be spells. Flavor matches up as well. Overall, a solid card all-around.
grumpymonk - I like Freak Show the most: that's just crazy enough to work lol. Some people might be put off by the Zerg artwork, though.
shaveyou - I think the name is a little weak, but beyond that I think the card is fine. Not much to say, really; it's pretty straight-forward. Encourages proper deck-building, but more of a Deathrattle-Beast hybrid instead of straight Beast Aggro.
Wailor + Demonxz95 - You admitted to submitting already, so no feedback for you :P
Latest but (probably) not last version for this card:
Increased the cost and changed the name. Which name do you prefer? Or any other suggested name?
And here are the feedbacks:
Wailor & Demonxz95 - You guys already submitted, no feedbacks for you guys, Goodluck then : )
linkblade91 - Interesting idea, I'm gonna say I prefer the "Competitive Nature" better.
DavnanKillder - Lunar Blessing is a great idea, but due to the limit of tokens, this card won't work. Call of Yogg-Saron still feels good as a limited version for the initial idea, but I think you should find Arts that fit them better, for example: Medivh and Ethereals seems no relation to Yogg.
grumpymonk - Arlizz seems a very dangerous card - in synergy between Sorcerer's Apprentice, Mozaki, Master Duelist, and lots of low cost spells, and that seems to restrict more design for mage later or could become a push of Sorcerer's Apprentice to the Hall of Fame. Freak Show seems to be a very interesting Card and flavorable, I like it! Heart of Wild seems good but need a watermark that fits better. Overall, I prefer Freak Show better.
DestroyerR - Interesting design for that card, nd it is very flavorable, No complains about that one.
anchorm4n - Even though Druid have great ramps, I still think its cost makes that card underpowered, make it cost 4 feels better.
MenacingBagel - definately too OP, lower the stats or slightly increase the stats and make it can effect itself can makes better. Also, mabey change it to a MDF card will let people rate it higher.
KANSAS - Both are good and Flavorable, I like them all, but not related to MDF could a down side when other people are rateing.
AnAngryBadger - Good design and flavorable but not really MDF, probably indicates she is an actress in flavor text makes it better.
shaveyou - Pet Trainer feels soild, it looks good. Circus Elekk is also a great design, BUT, I think the watermark should be MDF rather than Classic, I see no reason why it should be a Classic Card, probably you just forgot that but I think it is important to fix that one. Personlly I prefer the Circus Elekk, once you fixed the watermark, I think it is a solid pick for you.
* edited to give feedback to some people I missed previously
So, I thought I had the flavour nailed on, evoking pet battles from WoW, summoning a miniature version of a beast to fight. Anyway, no one seemed to pick up on it, with most feedback being that the name was weird. Anyway, I've renamed it, and also dropped the stats/cost down by 1, so it's not got the exact same statline Teacher's Pet (which it would share a set with). I've also thought of a new Elekk to join it's educated and augmented brethren.
Feedback shortly!
My idea was a shaman minion that draws you a spell whenever your hero attacks, if you play It this turn unlock your overloaded crystals. It would be great with Inara in a burn shaman
But I didn't feel like making it, I don't know where to get any good card art from.
Banned for spamming.
Because I received a small amount of negative feedback and I’m a perfectionist, I did this. Which one should I submit?
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
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This is m first idea this week, strongly inspired by The Curator and Ringmaster Whatley, however I tried to use some tags which were not used for thhis effect previously. It would be best if I would be able to make a card that draws totem, elemental and demon, buthad to cut demon or totem, because these have no class which could take use of both, so decided to replace demon with murloc and received this shaman card. Its statline is -1/-1 in comparison to Whatley, which is -1/-1 in comparison to Curator. Its Cost is -2 Mana in comparison to Whatley which is -2 mana in comparison to Curator, also Whatley losed a positive keyword from curator, as well as tag. That's why I gave my card in comparison to 0 keyword of Whatley, a negative keyword, and tag which would quite differ from Curator, for he has tag from those he doesn't draw, and my card has tag from those which he draws.
Also, iI'm gonna give some feedback:
@linkblade91
@fungusABao
@DavnanKillder
@shaveyou
@grumpymonk
@Demonxz95
@DestroyerR
@anchorm4n
@Menacing Bagel
@KANSAS
@AnAngryBadger
Ok
I tend to default to latest expansion if there isn't a mechanic linked to a specific expansion in my card but looking at the feedback I got I'm thinking either Karazhan (to go with kindly grandmother) or Witchwood
Some feedback I have (I don't know much about card design so not sure how useful it will be)
@fungusABao
Also I'd maybe go 2 mana overload 1 instead as 3 mana draw 1 with an upside seems a little weak to me. Would also delay a double battlecry old god if you happen to draw one.
@DestroyR
@linkblade91
@KANSAS
@ChickyChick
Cryptis Treasure means you can choose from Zephrys's Lamp, Crusty the Crustacean, Tracking Device and Ancient Reflections. Still thinking if I should remove the crab from the pool, but you can already see I'm limit testing this contest's rules, because the cards shuffled in are minions or spells, and you can tutor them with the Combo effect.
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Updated version of my card...
... and more feedback.
AnAngryBadger: The idea is good enough, but I don't like the flavor. The art might fit Witchwood, but I'm not sure if it should go into Warrior at all. No Darkmoon Faire vibes anyway.
linkblade: I like both of them quite a lot, but I think the Paladin card is a better fit. It's very well placed in Scholomance while the Hunter card just looks okay-is in MDF. Both names do the job for me.
fungusABao: I prefer Enjoy the Faire! but maybe you'll come up with something better after a good night's sleep. It isn't bad but not super creative either.
shaveyou: I don't why the others don't like Pet Trainer, it's a very cool card. It's even better now with the reduced stats. For me, it's way better than Circus Elekk.
DestroyerR: I'd go with your first idea, the second one is too complicated for my taste.
ChickyChick: The card is alright, but not very creative. I think it doesn't need the Overload at all, maybe (1) would be okay.
Neoguli: This one is difficult. On the one hand, you need the Combo for the tutoring effect. On the other hand, I don't like this not being a neutral card. What I do like is the "cryptic" treasure in Uldum. I don't know. Maybe it would be best to drop the combo, make it a neutral and save it up for another competition. Don't get me wrong, it's a very cool design, but that's exactly why I wouldn't waste it on a competition where you have to force it into the theme.
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Bit wordy? Why not just say draw a "card" that costs (5) or more? And as for flavor i think it should be minion only if it's like a wild animal attraction like you have going for it currently. It's clear what you're intention is tutor some of the c'thun pieces and later maybe c'thun himself but it seems to be pretty lackluster. Like druid copying rogue's homework.
Living like that.
Thanks! The way I interpret the rules of the competition, drawing a "card" wouldn't be allowed, since we're supposed to tutor a minion or a spell. A card might be a weapon or a Hero card, so I'll either have to choose one or make it a Choose One lol sorry. I did try and made a version without "from your deck" but it didn't look better. That said, I will think about making it draw only minions, because I get your argument about the flavor. The downside of this is that it looses lots of potential since tutoring a spell might give you Nourish, Guardian Animals or Survival of the Fittest (which is why I made it a 5 cost card in its first iteration - this could be very versatile and powerful in the right deck).
I'd love to hear more opinions on this!
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@anchorm4n
I just had idea how you can improve text. Instead of placing 'or a spell' at the end of text, what in my opinion looks quite odd, you could word it like 'Choose one - Draw a minion; or a spell that costs (5) or more. Corrupt: (10) or more.' This way your card fits better hearthstone wording, which has changed and no longer cards drawing specific cards state 'from your deck' in their text. Also, both 'or a spell' and Corrupt effect are right after what they are referring to, so the whole text is more comfortable to read.
Ok
More feedback:
anchorm4n - It doesn't have to a choose one if it said "Draw a minion or spell that costs (5) or more". "Discover a minion or spell from your deck that costs (5) or more" could also work if you want to keep some of the flexibility.
Neoguli - It feels kind of weird to shuffle cards in your deck that have a start of game effect that never activates, even if they are imported from tombs of terror. You might want to make a modified version of those cards without the start of game text and consider making slight tweaks to the effects. Ancient Reflections seems quite a bit weaker than the rest.
ChickyChick - My opinion is that the card is underpowered. With the overload, the card takes up 5 mana and is smaller than Ringmaster Whatley. Murlocs and totems are usually smaller, so there's less value. I would reduce the overload by 1 at least and possibly make it a 2/5.
DestroyerR - Presto! seems confusing. I'm assuming it only affects the damage output of spells, but it reads like it swaps the costs as well, making them free since spells don't have spell damage. Magic Show is interesting but it might be more clean to have it place two spells on top of your deck. It would prevent scenarios like Witchwood Piper where the effects conflict with each other.
shaveyou - I like Pet Trainer better. I feel like Circus Elekk would be better as a rogue or netural card. It feels a bit limiting to have it in a class that doesn't shuffle cards in normally. Also, it has a classic watermark, but the name and flavor suggest MDF.
fungusABao - I like Enjoy the Faire! Come and enjoy sounds more like sightseeing or enjoying a meal instead of a festival. I like it can activate the Old Gods' battlecries twice, even if its overkill.
linkblade91 - Intersting ideas, but I'm not sure how useful these will be in practice. These are not very useful in the late game as your opponent can play something large and not give you anything at all.
AnAngryBadger - I like it, but the watermark doesn't really match the flavor of the card. Seems likes it belongs best in witchwood.
KANSAS - Haven't I seen these before? I'm pretty sure I voted on them at some point in the past. I like them both well enough, but they might not be flashy enough to make it into the finals. May I offer a suggestion for Expert Tracker? It made me think of Tracking. What do you think if Expert Tracker had a discover effect instead and presented you a choice between a beast, murloc, or elemental in your deck.? It would make the flavor of the card match with the mechanics really nicely.
MenacingBagel - It should not deal damage to characters, just minions. Warrior doesn't directly deal damage to the face.
Not gonna lie, not getting anymore feedback (thanks Link!) after submitting early is actually making me slightly paranoid.
But here's round 2 of feedback:
DestroyerR - I personally prefer the first version of the card myself. Much simpler and cooler in my opinion. The second one seems a bit too difficult to understand.
Anchorm4n - I do quite like the base idea, although it feels week even at 3 mana. For comparison, look at Storm Chaser in regards to the spell-drawing option. I'm also not really a fan of the Corrupt upgrade since it's not necessarily an "upgrade". Even with proper deckbuilding, there are situations where the Corrupt "upgrade" is actually a drawback.
DavnanKillder - I see you've already submitted. That said, your card seems decent. It's a neat way of utilizing the Choose One mechanic in a way that we haven't seen yet.
MenacingBagel - You say you made something awful, and I somewhat agree (lmao). It's not bad, but it doesn't feel that interesting and also seems OP.
FungusABao - I do believe this new version is now better. The 3 mana version is probably safer since some Battlecries are particularly strong.
KANSAS - Both of these cards seem pretty decent to me. Although I personally have no problem with that, it seems that some voters will care about Old Gods theming in this competition (hence why I decided to go with Clithia over Feathershot when I noticed this). The only thing I could mention is that Beasts are not really a Shaman tribe (and in fact, never had a single class-specific Beast until The Witchwood), so maybe change Beast to Totem instead on Expert Tracker?
AnAngryBadger - I will echo what people have said about it not feeling like a MatDF card. In fact, that art is actually used during the ONiK adventure. Otherwise though, the card itself seems fine.
Linkblade91 - I say that you could probably make Strength Competition a Paladin card and it would be a winner in terms of flavor. The only thing with it is that you would play around it in the very same way that you play around Repentance. They just play any small minion, and the effect is basically just "draw a minion" then.
Shaveyou - I like this version of Pet Trainer better. Circus Elekk seems quite strong as just a 3 mana 3/4 that draws a spell is already good on its own.
ChickyChick - I do feel it maybe is a bit too similar to KANSAS's card, but it's otherwise OK.
Neoguli - Piece of advice: Unless all the tokens are simple and intuitive to understand, token heavy designs tend to do quite poorly. This unfortunately falls into the category of not being simple and intuitive to understand. I do also agree that Start of Game treasures that you can only get after the game starts is very strange.
Somebody mentioned not to use Anathil due to her cool design. I may obey the advice, as I did a similar mistake with Party Cup (that 1/4 Warlock minion that made your Hero Power draw for both players). Here's my proposed replacement. It drows a heckton of minions, but is a tempo-negative play unless you are playing Druid or you can fully utilise the Battlecry effect. Now that I think about it, this can feel nutty in Druid to give them an alternate way to Corrupt Carnival Clown. Not with a buff, but with a ton of refill.
EDIT: Also apologies for not really giving feedback. I feel like my advice would sound mundane and flat for the most part.
"Truth is in the shadows, waiting to be revealed by the light. But light only disperses the shadow." - Me
"If other people shared traits of those considered naive, the world would've become a better place." - Also me
I have two new, kinda similar ideas, as well as a slight change to my previous one. I didn't know which set would be good for Beast Caller, so I used custom watermark. Rallying Imp has RoS watermark because 1. It shares art with Impferno 2. Warlock's RoS set has quite many Imp themed cards, and idea of Imp troops gathering under commands of Rafaam isn't out of place (just look at Rafaam's Scheme)
Beast Caller may look quite OP, like you just have a free card (even if its a mere 2 mana 1/1), but it may backfire if you get this in opening hand, as well as you have no control when you draw this, so you can't use it to draw Zixor Prime if you didn't play Zixor, Apex Predator beore drawing this.
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I have the same feeling, but I feel like I'm forced to do so if I want feedback myself, I dont know how others think about this. At least I can hope that I helped at least one person. The worst part is that I'm worried that I could give bad advice, and somebody might lose because of me.
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I never did get round to that feedback. Neoguli, I see you've already submitted. If you want feedback anyway, let me know.
Chicky Chick
As for your cards, I prefer Rallying Imp out of the 3. Getting a free draw in a Zoo Build is always good, and the weak stats can be countered, either by reducing the cost or buffing the minion. I like this idea of getting an extra draw, and I think the Imp does it better than the Beast Caller. Pond Caller Mrrgluh feels too close to Ringmaster Whatley to stand out.
Anchorm4n
DestroyerR
FungusABao
LinkBlade91
AngryBadger
I'd say Beast Caller or Pond Kepper Mrrgluh are your safest bets, because I identify Rallying Imp as a way to speedrun these Mecha'thun Warlocks.
"Truth is in the shadows, waiting to be revealed by the light. But light only disperses the shadow." - Me
"If other people shared traits of those considered naive, the world would've become a better place." - Also me
Yes, It is a Battlecry tutor + one time double Battlecry effect, and the target of this effect is the minion that you draw by this card-- which I used "it" to substitude, and I think it is relaively easy to understand.
More feedback. If I skip you, it's because you submitted already (or I messed up). If you want feedback anyway, let me know; leaving for Thanksgiving get-together soon, so I don't have enough time to do it today.
ChickyChick - I kind of like Beast Caller; the "when you draw this" effect is neat. Pond Keeper is also okay, but drawing all three for far less mana than The Curator concerns me.
anchorm4n - Looks good-to-go!
fungusABao - I think I prefer "Enjoy the Faire!", because it name-drops the location. Still not satisfied with it, personally, but I can't even think of a good name for my own cards, so…yeah :/
If you're talking about the advice you have given me, that was tremendously helpful! I'm very happy with the card now and that's probably even more important than the scores it will receive. Thanks a lot!
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Would like to get feedback on the wording and balance/idea. I'm thinking the third is best? Flavor wise i think it fits darkmoon faire because she could be from some animal show, and killing the caretaker makes her animals upset. I think because it's a deathrattle, it's slow so the buff to the card is warrented.
Chickychick: I'd stick with the Murloc, it looks good to go.
Ekkeh: I agree, number 3 looks best. It's a solid card, nothing to criticise from my side.
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@Ekkeh
3 is the proper wording. For the card itself, it looks quite well.
I decided that I will go with Rallying Imp, because Mrrgluh is quite similar to Ringmaster Whatley.
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Good luck to our future finalists!
Sigh. Whenever I'm especially fond of one of my cards, I don't make it to the finals. Nevermind, the process of designing the cards is the most fun aspect for me anyway.
That said, linkblade's success with Paladin cards has reached a level where it should be added to the official OoC lore. Well done once more!
Last but not least, good luck to all the finalists!
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So are people still doing that thing where they vote 1 star on all non-favorites and 5 stars on the favorite?
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
Yay, I made it to finals. Good luck to other finalists.
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Gj linkblade!
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Thanks :)
Congrats linkblade!
Did you notice the voting numbers of this competition? I think I've submitted on Thursday and I only got 27 votes (no complaining here, that's almost the same number linkblade got). I remember Demon was among the first submissions, they got 52 votes. Both numbers are quite low I think. Has Darkmoon Faire drawn so much attention? Is participation going down in general?
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Grats, link :)
Maybe I'm just rationalizing, but I think part of it has to do with the fact that last week was a holiday in the US: Thanksgiving, alongside Black Friday as well.