Hearthstone
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
Do you remember this post of mine with 121 downvotes ?
Quote From Almaniarra Really !? Now they are giving old card backs ?
Wtf is wrong with you Blizzard ? It was a limited time card-back. So with this way of considering, gaining new players are better than keeping old players in hand ?
Wrong decision. I'm not happy with this reward since im a player who plays this game since beta.
Edit: Ah and don't get me wrong. Im not saying that "how dare you don't give us new stuff!?" it is about exclusiveness. Giving the season 12 card back to players who didn't play at season 12 is wrong in my opinion. That's rude to the players who played in season 12. They "gained" it by playing in that season. Now they are giving this achievement to everyone.
Rude.
Quote From Almaniarra your examples are not related with this situation. All of your examples effects the gameplay and GoW3 example is game itself.
It is a paid product without a time restriction. They didn't say they were exclusive products in release.
If you click for example Power Core cardback, you can see a sentence like "acquired from attending approved eSports event" or Frost Knight cardback iy is "Acquired from achieving Rank 20 in Ranked Play, September 2017" which are mean "You can't acquire Power Core unless you are being attended approved eSports event" or "You can't obtain Frost Knight unless you achieved Rank 20 in Ranked Play, September 2017"
So it is a time restriction, Those sentences are setting an exclusivity. They didn't set an exclusivity to wild cards before or GoW3 game before.
So, I would like to craft golden Elite Tauren Chieftain now but i can't. Guess why? There is a restriction, they gave it at Blizzcon 2013. I couldn't go Blizzcon 2013 because I am living in a different country. But I'm not begging them to activate it again. I know how it feels to have an exclusive item and i know it will be injustice to players who gets it in Blizzcon 2013.
They should have created a different version of the Ragnaros cardback for my feels. It is about what I feel, It isn't about the cardback itself, that cardback isn't even visually good. I don't care which cardback it is, I care about its exclusivity and how they tricked me by saying it is only acquireable by playing ranked in march 2015. maybe I could have played something else in that month, or I could have spent my time something else, Maybe I liked that card back so much and I renounced something else to be able to get that card back. They never know, You never know.
What I call injustice and rude is this. They stole my time.
Ah and try it in real life. Go buy a necklace for your girlfriend, and say that only she deserves that necklace, And buy 1 more and give it someone else as a gift. Make your girlfriend see that and experience what she feels.
It is worse now. Because they are giving the fucking Tyrande. They don't even consider to make new version of her to keep older Tyrande's exclusivity and giving us( who already has Tyrande) nothing !
I still think like that. Fuck you Blizzard.
I am not buying anything from you anymore (except diablo 4 maybe lol.).
They keep forgetting the old players. What did they do last time for older players ? NOTHING !
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Do you remember this post of mine with 121 downvotes ?
It is worse now. Because they are giving the fucking Tyrande. They don't even consider to make new version of her to keep older Tyrande's exclusivity and giving us( who already has Tyrande) nothing !
I still think like that. Fuck you Blizzard.
I am not buying anything from you anymore (except diablo 4 maybe lol.).
They keep forgetting the old players. What did they do last time for older players ? NOTHING !
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I think the main idea is that Tyrande was only available in a few countries, and the majority of people think that’s unfair. You might not, but blizzard doesn’t continue to function based on how 1 person feels.
im all for not bringing back old card backs and heroes, id rather Blizz put the effort into new card back so and heroes rather then cucking people by re-releasing other cosmetics marketed as exclusive, but I think it’s fair enough to give everyone a go at a cosmetic unfairly locked to certain countries like Tyrande was
More than half of the players don't own tyrande, and everyone who doesn't own Tyrande wishes they did. What blizzard is doing appeals to more than half of the playerbase.
What you are saying is that you are upset because blizzard isn't treating you with respect, they don't care if you spent time and effort into obtaining this. But couldn't you say the exact same thing about players who don't own her? If blizzard ignored the players who keep on asking for her back then they wouldn't be treating them with much respect, they wouldn't care that those players were unable to obtain her due to not living in the right country.
Blizzard had to choose to either appeal to the old players who want her to stay exclusive, or to the new players who want to own her. They simply made a smart business decisions and appealed to the larger audience.
Plus, not every old player is salty about tyrande not being exclusive anymore, just the selfish ones.
Carrion, my wayward grub.
I'm not even living those countries but I owned her. How ? Because there was a way to do so. I have searched for it and owned her. If I could do without living those countries, Everyone is able to do so.
+ I'm not complaining that they are giving Tyrande to everyone. Everyone can own her I'm ok with that. What I'm trying to say here is the exclusivity and how blizzard decides to that. That's what you don't and probably never understand.
Look, There is an example on League of Legends and how they handled with Championship Riven issue.
It is that simple to make your older players happy with the older content be available to all again.
You all are calling this selfish but noone here (at least I) are not saying that they shouldn't give the Tyrande skin to all. They should have made to older one or newer one a little bit different from each other to keep its exclusivity.
Some people who got Twitch Prime just because of Tyrande skin while they normally wouldn't buy. I'm like that for example. It is not selfishness. I feel I am tricked. That's all.
I am not attacking people who want to own the skin. I am attacking Blizzard who decided to make it available again in a wrong way.
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OOOOOOHHHHHHHHH. You are simply saying that old players should be given compensation for having gotten her earlier, so that everyone can enjoy the better looking skin, but then older players can still brag about having gotten her first.
I am sorry but that was not clear even a little bit.
Carrion, my wayward grub.
Yeah, it was just about that. I have no bussiness with the people who will gather Tyrande skin in future. My target is Blizzard here and how they are acting.
They simply think that they already won older players so they don't need to do anything to keep them in the game.
Sorry Blizzard, I'm planning to move Legends of Runeterra as my main game when it is released because of your dick moves. If you(Blizzard) can consider we old players are also desire something, we may talk again. No more pre-orders, or any payment. I just play the game casually.
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I agree, there should be a compensation for the ones who got her early. It will be a bummer for sure.
Tyrande was first only available to people in United States, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Austria through a Twitch Prime membership. Then she was obtainable for those in the SEA region. Anyone else could not legitimately obtain her.
I don't want to be rude but this makes you look like you want compensation cause owning Tyrande doesn't make you special anymore which honestly is a pretty selfish thing. Instead of being happy people who weren't as lucky as you now have the chance to obtain a nice skin, you whine it's "unfair" other people can get her when getting her in the first place wasn't fair to all Hearthstone players due to region locking that was completely out of their hands!
I'll boop you
So it's true that no matter what Blizzard does, they'll never be able to get everyone's consent.
People like you that complain even about stuff that we has been asked for years is the reason we don't deserve anything at all.
Spice Lord and self-proclaimed Meme Master.
Most people got it without living in those countries ( me included ). Also, it will be a bummer for people who already has this hero. It is the most reasonable thing to do by blizzard.
The only thing Blizzard is taking away from older players by doing this is one of the ways for them to brag about playing HS longer (some achievement that is...). If someone is angry because they can’t brag as much, they’re being selfish.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
I got her and I do not live in any of those cuntries.
-=alfi=-
I really can't understand why people think like this. It is even a semi-paid content that can be obtainable through Twitch Prime Membership which costs money but I'm not on that.
You who doesn't own the Tyrande skin is more selfish than me in this situation because you are simply saying; "No matter what, I don't care; I want that skin ! "
I 've said that repeatedly, but still you don't care or can't even read every posts here. I really don't care who will get skin or not. It is blizzard I have aimed my arrow here and how they treat their older players. Even I gave an example from League of Legends about how they can do in order to make all happy.
anyways, There is nothing I can do more for you to understand me. You re just stuck at that "hey, Everyone has a right to have that skin."
I know that we are not deserving anything by playing a game and I know there is no way to make all people happy. For example, Even people got angry about even that why their favorite classes don't get Highlander Support at Saviors of Uldum. You can't make all community happy at the same time.
But truth is, they might have done in this situation. Did you really read the post about the LoL Example ? It was that simple. It could be like golden Elite Tauren Chieftain and normal one; or golden SN1P-SN4P and normal one.
I am not saying you don't deserve anything. I've said it repeatedly, even in this answer twice with my answer of @BasilAnguis. You can obtain that skin I have no complains about it. It is about blizzard, not you. You re just stuck at that "hey, Everyone has a right to have that skin." like him/her and don't even care who I am aiming.
Also As you can see above, people who don't live in those countries already got the skin, including me. There was a way to do and we searched and obtained it. Everyone might do but you just decided to sit on your ass and wait for it. We are not responsible for this. You could obtain, so don't cry if you didn't.
I can show emphaty towards you but you don't even try that for me.
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Just out of curiosity: would it be okay for you if they put her behind a pay wall instead? Like everyone can get her, but for the usual 10$? I missed out Lazul and would be willing to pay for her of Blizzard offered that opportunity. But I get your general argument, it surely is a letdown when you pay for something and later on everyone gets it for free.
I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
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To be fair no one paid for Tyrande: it was a gift included in Amazon Prime, so if you happened to have it (and let's be honest: you don't have Amazon Prime for a HS skin) then you could have claimed it.
Moreover, even if you suggest to make her available in the same conditions, now you can have a free month of Prime, so it's just easier to give her away for free.
But I really want to make this clear: Tyrande was a gift limited to some countries and no one directly paid for her.
On the other hand (just so you get the situation I'll use the example you wrote in your comment), Lazul was a skin tied with an 80 $ bundle which was limited in time, so giving her away for free would be unfair; but I wouldn't see anything wrong if they just put her in the new store for the usual price, maybe after a few expansions though
Spice Lord and self-proclaimed Meme Master.
IT is not different than Lazul and you can say that it is unfair because it is tied to a bundle for limited time, i've highlighted and made bold where I am addressing.
Tyrande is tied with Amazon/Twitch prime membership which was limited in time, I really can't understand how you can't understand those are same.
Your argument about it is free is simply most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can't obtain if you don't have a credit card and free-trial membership. So basically, People who doesn't own a credit-card or online payment method couldn't obtain it and truth is yes, I am not living in those countries, I don't even use Amazon/Twitch prime. I just used a VPN and fake adress to be able to obtain Tyrande and Paid for Twitch Prime membership and it was not my free-trial, I have paid for it; so ofc, I will be pissed off that Blizzard will give it away for free now.
Also, I know other guys in my friendlist who lives in those countries and normally don't use Twitch prime but got it just because of Tyrande skin.
The case that you can't imagine what people do for being able to obtain that skin won't change the reality sadly. People did bought Prime to obtain this skin even you think like "why the hell would people buy prime just because of tyrande?", People who doesn't live in those countries used some VPN and Fake adresses to obtain it and subscribed just because it.
Still, I wouldn't mind that people will obtain it for free, Why don't you understand ? I am just saying that the way how Blizzard did is wrong for people who obtained this skin before. Make it available to all but make its hero power non-golden for example, that's a way, There are so much ways to make it available as making people who owns the skin happy but Blizzard did this in wrong way again.
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You literally just got 1000 win portraits to show your veterancy and you're whining because people can obtain a skin, which many could not before, again?
This screams entitlement, no matter how much you claim it not to be.
1, these 1000 win portraits looks really bad
2, you need to play ranked a lot to obtain them (for example I prefer funny decks in casual)
3, everyone who really wanted could obtain the skin (giving US address to Twitch prime service like I did)
-=alfi=-
If they would start offering skins which are in preorder bundles people would not be enticed to preorder those bundles, because they would not miss out the skin.
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I'm not whining because people can obtain a skin;
I'm whining because blizzard is doing nothing for keeping its exclusivity and make it available in a wrong way.
These are different from each other. I have given so much example to make it clear but you all are still stuck on that "People deserves to obtain the skin."
I don't mind who will obtain that skin. Take screenshots that you can finally own Tyrande skin and print it to hang it on the all walls of your home or roll those screenshots to keep them in wherever you want I don't really care. I won't give more examples because you are just striving to not understand.
Nice performative wokeness. You just strain to be more sensitive but honestly it doesn't work. It looks like a token gesture sadly because I've already said I don't mind people obtaining it, I just mind how blizzard doesn't keep its exclusivity.
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1. Subjective. OP wants to show his veterancy, Blizzard provided it. OP is still complaining.
2. #1
3. And not everyone wants to abuse a flawed system or were even aware of that flaw. This time everyone can obtain it legitimately but of course there's a bunch of entitled people who need to feel superior to others with a bloody cosmetic.
I said something similar to your opinion about the return of the Rag. card back and I'll say it again here: there is absolutely nothing special about the people who already own the Tyrande hero. There was no true effort involved in obtaining it. You just signed up for Twitch prime and, if from one of the regions where she was not available, lied about where you were. I guess you also linked your Twitch and Blizzard accounts. That's all you had to do.
Having the Tyrande hero means nothing other than that you happened to have been playing HS during the time she was available and were aware of the few small steps you had to take to get her. In my mind that is not something that gives you bragging rights or any reason to want other players to be unable to use her or have some superficial tweak as though the original is more special in some way.
Now if Blizz were to hand out golden heroes or 1000 win portraits to everyone, or card backs that actually took a bit to effort to earn e.g. through heroic single player content or competitive play, then yes I'd take issue with that. But those take time and genuine effort, not 2 minutes and a few jumps between different websites.
It's about that already. I don't normally care for skins.
It's not about people who will obtain the skin. I've just felt tricked to buy Twitch/Amazon Prime. It would be same if now they decide to give King Rastakhan to everyone for free because I don't buy normally pre-orders. I like more to buy packs if I really need packs and I've just pre-ordered Rastakhan's Rumble just because of the skin.
People never understand or even are never trying to understand this complaints are not about them. I decided not to buy any of the hearthstone content anymore because of this shitty move of blizzard because I just knew that in Ragnaros card back times because it was the first move that I don't like and I've said under that article it is not guaranteed that they won't give other time-limited contents anymore and Tyrande skin is proof of that. I've ended up right at the end of the day.
I still didn't buy any of the pre-orders since that time and won't buy any in-game content with real money anymore. I've just tricked by blizzard and wanted to open a thread to express my feelings to warn people who plans to buy limited-time in-game content from blizzard about they are not limited anymore.
It is same with how you will feel tricked if blizzard gives 1000-win portraits and heroic adventures to everyone. At the Ragnaros card back times, people defended blizzard by saying the exact same thing as you by saying "you don't spend any effort to gain that cardback". Now you are using this argument to defend this situation here. How ironic.
I feel tricked by blizzard and other players are personalizing the situation here. I don't care who you are or what you will obtain. I care only that I'm tricked by blizzard and won't buy any of the hearthstone content anymore. That's all. I will continue to play the game but won't support the game. I will watch it lose consumers and die in time and I will try to persuade people to not buy hearthstone content anymore. At least I will make it for my family and friends.
I am not even adressing people who doesn't own Tyrande skin. Stop personalizing the situation.
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Thing is, I don’t understand why are you mad at Blizzard.
Yes, you chose poorly when you decided to buy Tyrande. I get that - if I buy something that is later given out for free, I’ll feel stupid for buying it, and feel like I wasted my money for nothing.
But how is that Blizzard’s fault? They don’t owe you anything just because you made the decision to buy their skin. You could have an argument if they specifically marketed that the product wouldn’t be offered again/for free. But they didn’t say that, so the way I see it you only have your own judgment to blame.
I definitely get the desire to not buy their content anymore - it’s been shown to be an unwise decision. But I don’t think there’s anyone you should be angry at.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
Finally a sane argument;
I think its Blizzard's fault because they advertised it as "Special offer for only Twitch/Amazon Prime" like how they are advertising pre-order skins as "pre-order exclusive.".
I've bought Prime just because of Tyrande so I think i have a reason to blame blizzard.
I've bought Rastakhan's Rumble pre-order just because of obtaining King Rastakhan. I will be tricked twice if they gave it or make it available to buy again for 10$ for example because normally I wouldn't buy that 40+$ pre-order but bought it because of the skin and if i didn't buy that skin with pre-order I would be able to buy it with less money. (that's arguable that I have also got packs but I didn't need those packs because I had enough golds to buy it ah that's also arguable too that I have saved those golds for next expansion tho.)
anyways, I hope you got my point. I don't agree the argument; "it was your decision, blizzard is not responsible for this." I think that With me, Blizzard is also responsible for this by advertising it as an exclusive item and am thinking about it as I deserve a compensation or a difference between old tyrande skin and new one.
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That you're under some pretense that skins in Blizzard games should be exclusive isn't anyone else's problem. I don't recall Blizzard ever stating they would be exclusive. In fact, if you look at their other games, Overwatch for example, the exact opposite applies. They have the same events every year, with each skin from the previous year recurring, thrice as cheap as when it was initially introduced (3k initially, 1k every year afterwards).
In the end you're still complaining about a non-issue because you hold far too much value to a cosmetic. Adding some irrelevant terms to your arguments doesn't change that fact.
And if the majority of people do not understand your point of view, despite your countless examples, then perhaps you should work on your ability to articulate. Rather than claiming everyone's not willing to understand.
I get your point, but did Blizzard specify the offer won’t return afterwards? If they didn’t, your impression then doesn’t really justify you being mad at them now. They didn’t trick you. As the buyer, it was your call, and therefore your responsibility.
If they did, I still don’t think they should change the product to maintain exclusivity, because that would be unfair towards the people who buy the skin. Other people shouldn’t be negatively affected because Blizzard tricked you. The fact that you didn’t actually pay only for Tyrande, but for another benefit makes it a difficult situation for them: Blizzard can’t just refund every person that claims they only bought Twitch Prime because of Tyrande. It would mean they lied in their marketing though, so they would be on the wrong here.
Also, I think it’s worth mentioning your argument about “older players” has no place here. We’re talking about paid vs. free, so the argument you’re making now is completely illogical in the card back situation, for instance.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
I am playing the game also and don't mind those system because they stated that those contents will come back with every event. It is not same with Tyrande situation. They didn't say there will be more offers like that. All of the overwatch players knew that they will come available again.
There is nothing wrong with my ability. You are just keep wearing "I'm a sensitive guy" suit and keep acting like a fan-boy. Maybe you are not a fanboy I don't know you but that's truth that you are acting like one.
There is a mistake from a company, wrong advertisement etc. and you keep defending it. There might be only two reasons for that, being a fan-boy or strained sensivity like how people do for animal-rights.
They are not irrelevant btw; how you act against for all of those "irrelevant examples" shows how your personality shapes around them. Strained sensivities, histrionics, fear of social exclusion, social influence or concerns about not being approved, all is same how much you say that they are irrelevant from this thread.
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Older player argument was there because of its limited time. You couldn't own that skin because it was available in past. That's because of that, how people can't buy Lazul now if they starts to play today for example.
I remember how they state that the offer is exclusive and time-limited and know that Blizzard can't refund primes, That's why I am saying "same Tyrande skins with a little difference" like golden hero power or non-animated like how they did for Elite Tauren Chieftain and SN1P-SN4P.
I am already just saying they lied in marketing so I have been sided against them to not buy any Hearthstone-related content anymore. That's all I can do so I am doing this + I wanted to warn people with my experience and express how I thought. There's no meaning to say here "People can also obtain that skin.". It is not my business.
I can't change people's thoughts, I know that but still can try to warn people to not make same mistakes with me. So, if you need packs, go buy those pre-orders but don't buy any exclusive skins because blizzard lies about them. The aim of this thread is just this. If you still want to buy, I can't do anything but know that you might be tricked like me. If you don't care, then don't care; but I care this. My personality doesn't let it go.
It might be just a fucking silly skin for anyone. That's also valid for me. It's just a fucking silly skin. I only care how I have been tricked and wanted to warn people That's all.
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By "entitled people" you mean those, who want limited time cosmetics from the past just because they are entitled to have them, right?
-=alfi=-
Personally I don't care about Card backs and héroes coming back. Already has Rag Cars Back and the Xmas one. But I am happy other people can get it. Also I wouldnt be mad If the new shop included all héroes. They are all fun and You also get (for example with deathwing) a 100 packs with them, so it is more than worth it. It could ve considered "timed exclusivity"
I am one of the People who missed Tyrande, but... If it was Sir Anoyo, Lunara, Kadghar (who was only available through Apple devices), the rogue hero from Year of the mammoth, Mecha Jaraxxus, Etc. It would be fine un My book.
Yes, even If handing them for free. Also not a fan of preorder bonuses. I have lots of them (one being Batllefront 2 for example) and wouldnt mind If You could unlock the skins for 40.000 credits, while the Game is also cheaper now. I bought the Game at 80 dollars, because I wanted it, and I spent much more time with it, that people who got it on sale later. Also did not have to pay to get that extra thing.
Dragon Ball Fighterz also sold their preorder bonus as a cheap dlc after launch and You get exactly the same. You just have to pay a bit more.
Trying to feel exclusive ir better, by, getting a better/different version of something, and generating exclusivity in some pixels is a practice I hate and Would never apply in my work. And even If I used time exclusivity I would just give it later without restrictions.
Edit: I fought My spanish Google Keyboard all the way through this text. So, You might find some strange Caps and Punctuation on it. Also some Bad written words that mean something un spanish, si Google changed them.
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Btw, Blizzard can do small change by switching (mirroring) Tyrande. Old account will have blue one and all accounts will have green one. Everyone is happy.
-=alfi=-
Fair enough, warning people against buying Blizzard’s content is a valid reason, especially if they did lie on the marketing. I still think there’s no positive side in changing the skin because of it; the way I see it, the argument you’re making is still valid if the HP wasn’t golden. You’re still getting tricked into spending money for practically the same product.
I agree that the “limited time” argument makes sense here, since the advertising of a limited time offer would possibly persuade you to buy something you maybe wouldn’t have bought immediately. But it still doesn’t make sense on the card back example you gave at the start of the thread.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
I can't agree more with this.
Yeah, card back example isn't same but looking like, true that.
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1) I can't understand it because they're not the same.
We can say that you even cheated ("I just used a VPN and fake address to be able to obtain Tyrande") and it costed you because you wanted that skin so much, but I'm not here to talk about people's behaviors, whether correct or not. Let's just talk about the facts.
This event came in a certain time and (again, unless you want to do some shady shit) in certain places: in order to get Tyrande, you had to be an HS player (for example, Twitch Prime gives you so many gifts for games I couldn't care less), you had to live in a certain country and you had to have Amazon Prime (or being in a free trial). This is nothing but a discriminatory promotion (yeah, it's a word that doesn't fit this subject at all, but I hope you got the point), which penalized players, let's say, from Greece that were playing the game at the time and even had a Prime sub. It was clear that who thought this event didn't figure out Tyrande would have got so much success. That's why, when making a promotion, now Blizz tends to lock skins behind a paywall, so that no one will claim them afterwards (see the Thunder King).
On the other hand, Lazul (with Rastakhan, Neltharion, Elise and so on) are obtainable only if you pay loads of money: there's no other way around, since they're not part of a promotion with a partner. You want them? Take your wallet and give it to Blizz. In this case you spent your money for that sole purpose and so people shouldn't get those skins for free. Will they return in the future? Maybe, but only behind a paywall, which is how things should be.
Tyrande being a gift coming from a partnership means that, with her, you even got a month of Amazon Prime (which was the ultimate goal of the promotion after all). If you paid for something that even at that time could have been free just because you wanted it no matter what (shady shit) then it's normal that now you're butthurt. I'd be too. But that's not Blizzard's fault.
2) we are almost in 2020, c'mon man do you really want to hit me with that argument? You don't have access to a credit card (yours, your parents',...) but you can play HS? C'mon maaaan
3) People doing shady things doesn't make them less shady.
4) So you want like different skins for a single skin? Did I get it right? Cause if it's so it's fucking dumb.
5) Does that mean that Blizz should make people that will obtain the skin in one or two days less happy just to make those who got it before happier?
It's a fucking GIF in a game bro, calm down. You want to be exclusive at other people's sake, which I have to say is pretty sad, if not pathetic.
Spice Lord and self-proclaimed Meme Master.
Oh my gosh everybody just chill it is only a cosmetic and it means absolutely nothing.
Write a post as a long as you want but you cannot ignore the simple fact that the skin means nothing, I really don't see any reason for you to be this angry as to quit Hearthstone entirely, simply because blizzard didn't give you something special for having started playing the game sooner.
Carrion, my wayward grub.
I just want to throw out there that Blizzard has explicitly said, many times, that Tyrande would be available again. That's why Tyrande returning was such a big announcement, because they were finally making good on their promise.
She has never been a Twitch exclusive; at best she was a timed exclusive for Twitch, and there was no reason to believe otherwise.
Welcome to the site!
The fact that; The most-loved ones of you, your family, means nothing to me.
Things mean nothing to someone might be everything for anothers.
Brief and to the point.
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If this skin means everything to you then you need to get out more and find a boyfriend/girlfriend, get a hobby/job, and stop worrying about what you look like in a video game
Carrion, my wayward grub.
This seals it then. Blizzard wasn’t on the wrong here, @Almaniarra. You, as the buyer, have no one to blame but yourself.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
You really are still saying "it is a fucking gif c'mon man".
and no, I don't want different skins for a single skin. Different versions doesn't mean seperate ones. I have 1 green tyrande for example, you have 1 blue tyrande, I don't own blue, you don't own green. Like that. Simple.
it's 2020 or 2150, it doesn't matter. You can't buy payable features without it. Think about a kid like 14 years old. He doesn't have credit card and his parents don't let him use it. Could he buy that skin? No. That's simple too.
It is same with any other pre-order skins. IF they can give other limited-time content, It is not guaranteed that they will others too. What I'm saying here and point it out here is this. So, Let's speak after if they gave any of the pre-order skins freely and say that "it's ok". Just because of this, I stop paying to hearthstone content because it is not guaranteed that they won't give for free the content what I've paid for and opened a thread to express my concerns and warn people. It is that simple too. Simple. NOT COMPLEX.
You are still arguing that as calm down, it is a fucking gif, shady shit, people can obtain etc. etc. etc.
It is not the most important part of my life just because we are arguing this in this forum and spent time to do so. We are defending our thoughts here so it might seem so important to you. I don't care. I just wanted to warn people about buying limited-time contents of Hearthstone and how it is not guaranteed and they are just simply trying to trick you as they are limited and if you want to buy packs, go buy them but don't pay for limited-time only contents.
If you don't want to learn from my mistakes and experience it by yourself, go on, do it. I am not holding you. It was just for your own goodness. If you don't need it, Don't ever write here. Why do you even care ? when Blizzard gave Lazul, Rastakhan, Thunder King, Deathwing, Mecha-Jaraxxus or any skins that you bought, You will already understand me. There is nothing to say. You guys are simply willingly refuse.
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You can't even understand what you read and the "exampling" really. Yeah The most important part of my life is a 32-kb Gif. Nothing to talk with you (edit:in this thread ofc, lol, I don't strike an attitude just because of we couldn't agree here).
I remember it like Blizzard said that after so much people whines about it so it was a limited-time content at first. I didn't care just because I already decided to not buy hearthstone related content anymore after Ragnaros card back case.
So, it didn't change my mind, I will continue to not buy Hearthstone related content.
But yeah, I won't buy anything time-limited from any other company too just because of this fucking situation. There is no guaranteed stuff in world really, at least, I have learnt from my mistakes.
Sidenote: I am already blaming myself but discussing here only blizzard's part. I know I have also been mistaken but blizzard is mistaken too.
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I mean at this point this thread has no point anymore. You obviously just wanna argue your point despite the fact almost everybody disagrees with you.
I'll boop you
point is learning from my mistakes. If you still want to buy limited-time content just because they are limited-time, go buy them but don't cry amywhere anymore after you saw this thread.
I left buying those, and suggesting you to not buy here. At least for Hearthstone. The point of this thread is that.
Are You guys always trying to win in threads ? There is nothing to win. I have shared my experiences and how I thought, if you learn from here, it will be for your own goodness, if you don't, it is your loss.
There is nothing to win here and I'm not trying to win some shitty discussions. I've replied as much as possible just because to make you understand my point, not for winning discussions.
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Well i do understand the point in the OP.
But at the end of the day, it's just cosmetics.
If you spent money on it, you would have anyway, even if they told you it would have been freeware in some years time.
You wanted it, you bought it. That's it.
Exclusiveness is never eternal.
And the value of cosmetics is just that which you give them. Because nobody cares of the cosmetics of their opponent.
It is exactly the same with Tyrande's situation because they never mentioned that Tyrande would be a Twitch prime exclusive deal. You assumed she would be. That is entirely on you. You can blame me for that. You can blame Blizzard for that. You can blame the entire goddamn world for that. But you are the one who interpreted it the way you did. And now you're upset because of it. Wonderful.
Wrong advertisement my ass. You have not once shown even the slightest shred of evidence that proves they said Tyrande would be a one time only deal.
I am not defending Blizzard, because there is nothing to defend. You're literally arguing with your own assumptions.
I've gone ahead and ignored all the pointless drivel you, again, put in your post. If your next reply contains more of this pretentious psychologist analysis I will no longer respond, because you're far too deluded at that point.
Friendly advice: give this discussion a rest. If a petty cosmetic truly upsets you this much then please heed KANSAS' advice and take a break to sort yourself out.
That's a personal thought and taste which I can't argue.
I like something special, in-games mostly and when I saw them on another in the game, I think like "hey, a collector like me, how cool ! " and Tyrande won't be rare anymore. That's sad for me.
Anyway, I have expressed/explained myself enough, I presume.
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Except... Hearthstone is a collectable card game. It is design to itch the brain of user of (as pokemon says) "Collect them all"
And then they give something rare to everyone for free....
This is just against the human nature of collectors. You cannot blame them for not being happy.
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As I said above, I am not trying to win some shitty discussions here. I am just trying to make you understand my point. That's why I said that because yes, you are willingly refuse all of the arguments here.
You are doing it again, it is obvious that you are not friendly towards me and writing "Friendly" before your note. How can't this be strained sensivity or a concern about not being approved ?
I don't care how much people disagree with me because I am not trying to win anything here unlike how you do just because of being approved., Go argue in any other thread here and win all arguments that you can find and got approved by all community and pat your ego. I fucking don't care.
I've just said why I decided to stop buying Hearthstone's limited time content and suggest people to do same. THAT WAS ALL.
This ain't a discussion and it is not my most important thing in my life. That doesn't mean it is the most important thing just because I'm speaking about it here and just because we can't agree. If it is really that unimportant, so why are you still here and discussing it ?
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Can a mod like block this thread already before it gets out of hand?
Please we're reaching remarkable levels of cinge over here
Spice Lord and self-proclaimed Meme Master.
Yeah cringe, ok.
When you realize that there is nothing to win, it is easy to call anything bad. Sorry, it was not a contest.
Block the thread already , I already made my point.
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Going down in flames . . .
Carrion, my wayward grub.
I didn't claim that I'm not toxic.
It will be more healthy for us and also for forum to end the discussion here because there's nothing left to discuss.
Noone has any another arguments, all have expressed their thoughts, we agreed or not. You saw who thinks like you, I saw someone also thinks like me even there are few.
Thank you all for discussing it with me. I've gained something here, I hope you did too.
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I find it funny that every single post upset by the lack of compensation for the people who already owned Tyrande is getting downvoted into oblivion. Here, on Reddit, everywhere. You have to add a 'I'm glad you guys are getting her too' disclaimer to any post that touches this subject or else you're just gonna get spammed with red arrows. I think this shows how small of a minority the Tyrande owners actually are, in which case it really boggles my mind, why not offer a compensation in the first place? When I heard that Tyrande will be free with the arrival of a new $10 hero, I honestly thought Sylvanas will be given for those that don't apply, but hey apparently not.
On one hand I really am glad more people will be able to switch out of Anduin, as I don't give two hoots about exclusivity. But on the other hand, I do feel like I earned her: by being a long-time customer, paying attention to Hearthstone-related news, and spending a full two hours learning and troubleshooting the process of getting her since I was not part of the eligible countries either. Others got Tyrande by buying an overpriced code off eBay and whatever too. It's really, really not that far-fetched to want this effort to be acknowledged, and I'm sure more people would be able to sympathize with this situation if they didn't see any criticism of it as selfishness and entitlement, which in most cases it certainly is not.
Then again at the end of the day we're still all arguing about .jpg's, so what do I know.
In a participation trophy world, no one puts any value on earning anything, so it is what it is. As such, even though I have done nothing to earn them, I want those Dalaran Flame and Golden Celebration cardbacks, and maybe one of those college Tespa ones, whatever that is. Thanks ahead of time, Blizz :)
Here's one more, a bit mixed opinion. I do not put that much value on this portrait, but I feel OP is getting too much hate.
I support Blizz decision on bringing her back, it really will mean a lot to a fair amount of people (it even got my brother interested in the game again). The more excitement and more player interest - the better for everyone. And more Tyrandes instead of BMduins sounds good to me.
But! That skin really was a sign that you played at that time and met necessary conditions to obtain it. For people that could legally obtain her, it's basically the same as any card back that we can't obtain anymore. Speaking of which, I bet most of us gave that one they really want but will never get just because they weren't there then. But we do not complain, nor we should. That feeling of being there, doing that is of value to some people and it should be respected imo. I am also one of those that likes rare and shiny, be it the old exclusive portrait, card back or golden legendary.
I think that no one would complain if players that already had the skin got something in compensation. Even a pack would mean something: they are not forgotten and the company cares about every player. I really liked the idea of bringing different color Tyrande specifically. Maybe Blizzard didn't think of this enough, if Riot could do this for their players, it certainly isn't a terrible idea.
You and others chose to go to such effort to get Tyrande - in actuality, the effort required to get Tyrande was almost none. Have Twitch Prime, connect your account, done; no money, less effort than pretty much any other free Hero Skin. I think only Maiev and Lunara could be argued to be easier.
They're not acknowledging the effort because the process should've been effortless. They acknowledged that not everybody could get it with this process, and promised to bring her back again in a way that meant those people could. Lo and behold, here she is.
Welcome to the site!
I really can't understand why people is opposing us to be compensated while we're glad they are finally getting the skin.
I am saying that "While there are so much ways to make all people happy, Blizzard chose only a group of community to make happy. It is wrong." and all are attacking me like "You were on that group when you got Tyrande but we were not. You don't even make an effort to get it! You are supposed to be happy for us.". That's not my problem, like how I am not compensated today is not your problem too. I am being selfish to call that but you are not. True story.
I can even say "I'm glad that you guys can finally get the skin" but people can't say "We will be glad if you will be compensated." Ok guys, I'm selfish here and you are not.
Put that Tyrande in your ass. I'm out.
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going up in flames cause of a measly cosmetic is pedantic af
going up in flames cause of a discussion of a measly cosmetic is pathetic af too.
I don't believe that you even read all of the posts here but you should know that so I will repeat it;
Something that means nothing to you might mean everything for others.
Like how your family might mean nothing to me while you love them or A toy might mean everything to a child while it is a trash for you.
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All people thinks that equality is justice.
Sorry but no, it isn't. An image for you to understand;
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Let me ask you another question: are you also mad you can purchase old adventures with money?
For a long time you couldn't so only veteran players could enjoy Naxxramas or Blackrock Mountain bosses. Now this also lost its exclusivity.
Or are you mad only about Tyrande cause you can't show off adventures to other players?
I'll boop you
no I won't be mad about adventures because it is a game content that you can play. I'm already ok with giving players to be able to buy adventures with in-game gold, how they were when they have been released.
It is not about showing them btw. It is about pve content that players can play. I would be mad if they give all the rewarded cards for free tho. I don't like the skin just because I like to show it or it is fancy. One of the reasons I have shared my thoughts about Ragnaros card back is that. I don't even like that card back for its fancy appearance. I don't even like its appearance. I like its rarity. How less people own that in the time. I like to see someone who obtained that in the game and then think like "ah, an old player like me.".
With giving Tyrande to everyone, it loses its rarity and it is not as same value as before for me no matter how fancy it is. I gave it value for its rarity, not its appearance or animations or quotes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about quality. They are different. Think that like a tier list and make its tiers like; Free Tier, Rare Tier, Buyable Tier, etc. Rare Tier is S-Tier, Buyable Tier is Tier-1 and Free Tier is Tier-2. Tyrande might be the highest quality piece of the Free Tier now but not valuable than any other Rare Tier skins anymore.
That's not comperable with adventures. Adventures have playable in-game content. They are not cosmetics.I'm ok with everything about adventures unless they are giving all the rewarded cards for free.
Didn't you collect anything in your life ? If you don't, than its normal that you can't understand me.
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I don't get why these new scrubs are downvoting you, because this is so true, blizzard is super shitty for doing stuff like this.... We older players don't apparently mean shit to them, we made the game being kept online possible but no, they just want more and more, greedy shits, that's what they are. New players stop downvoting the truth!
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My faves!
You can beat me but I will still yeet your skeet
But the value of veterans or exclusivity is also in how hard something is/was to earn.
Something that just requires you to be in the right place at the right time could FEEL exclusive, but it is NOT VALUABLE at all.
I repeat, while i understand in principle, we should also look at the substance of things. Tyrande was not hard to earn, she was basically free, it has no golden age trait (ie beta players), so her value is little to none.
This is not 1k portraits given for free to everyone.
limited-time means "impossible to earn anymore" no matter how easy it was to obtain so "Impossible to obtain now" makes it valuable. "was" from now.
1k portraits are meaningless. They are at lesser tier after basic ones. Everyone will obtain those in time.
And yes; In my eyes, the most valuable piece of my collection is golden Gelbin Mekkatorque but it is not guaranteed that blizzard won't give it away to keep others in the game after Ragnaros card back and Tyrande Skin. The point is this already.
Also Gelbin Mekkatorque also wasn't hard to obtain but it doesn't change the truth that it is one of the rarest cards of the game with Golden Elite Tauren Chieftain. People might not give value for them but it's valuable for me and I'm sad that I couldn't obtain Elite Tauren Chieftain because Blizzcon 2013 was in a different country but never whined about it.
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I’ve been playing since GvG and I still think that this argument is kind of ridiculous. Like, I could understand it if it was some collectible you could get for accomplishing something at a certain time (like maybe being one of the first however many people to beat a difficult boss or something), but getting upset at them bringing back monthly cardbacks and other similar things really doesn’t make sense to me.
The thing is, the things that they’re bringing back are little more than participation trophies. For Tyrande you only needed to do a free trial, and for the monthlies you just needed to get to rank 20/win 5 ranked games (depending on when it was). Waving around a participation trophy as proof that you were there is just that, proof that you were there. Not that you actually accomplished anything interesting, just that you decided to play the game that month.
For the most part the people I see getting upset are the same people that are trying to argue that the monthly cardbacks are some kind of achievement, they really aren’t. These people need to just stop trying to act superior to newer players
Who needs consistency when you could have fun?
I must admit that I am interested in this discussion mainly because of its philosophic aspect. I don't give a damn about me or anyone else owning Tyrande. So I've explained the problem to my girlfriend and we tried to solve it from a moralist point of view. Here's what we concluded:
People should focus on themselves. That means, there WAS a "cost" for obtaining the original Tyrande, no matter how big or small. But OP among other players deemed this cost worth the reward at the time. And this is where the discussion should end. The fact that somebody else gets his or her hands on the same reward for less or no cost is irrelevant to your own experience. You can still enjoy your skin. Other people don't directly influence you in a negative way.
My girlfriend related to the Tyrande-issue with a story from school: there was a pupil who was allowed to leave early once a week (don't know why). Another pupil went forth and asked the prinicipal to be allowed to leave early as well - that's just fine, everybody can plead for equal rights. But when the second pupil was rejected (probably because nr. 1 had reasons nr. 2 couldn't provide), nr. 2 then asked to strip nr. 1 from their privilege to reinstate equality. And this is not okay. As long as nr. 2 isn't directly or indirectly harmed by nr. 1s privilege, nr. 2 may try to get it for his/herself, but should refrain from trying to pull down nr. 1.
OP repeated several times he is angry at blizzard and happy for other people getting Tyrande, I didn't miss that. So there's no actively trying to pull someone else down. But, and that's my whole point, as long as there's no downside in the new deal for you, there's no base for a complaint. Tyrande was worth it at the time you paid for her and that's it. I can understand and I do respect your frustration and your decision to not longer support Blizzard with real money because of this, but I've come to a different conclusion for myself. Thanks for raising the issue to my attention in the first place though, I gained something from this discussion, too.
I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
OP’s base for complaint (which was proven wrong btw, but theoretically speaking) is that the seller (Blizzard) tricked OP by persuading them to buy the product via false advertising (that the product wouldn’t come back for free). It’s a reasonable claim, but as I said, not applicable here.
Also, pupil nr. 2 sounds like an asshole
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
well, you completely misunderstand or I express things wrongly to make you misunderstand.
I'm not acting superior to newer players. I'm trying to plot a route for them. I feel like I'm being tricked and decided to not support them anymore so I'm trying to explain why I decided to do this with my reasons to people who might buy something from Blizzard just because they are time limited. I just warned them to not make the mistake I do and suggesting to not buy anything just because they are time limited.
Is it really trying to act superior to newer players or giving suggestions to newer players who might be tricked ?
That's why I am saying that people are willingly refuse everything here. I am so friendly towards who doesn't own the skin but they pretend like I am attacking them.
I am saying them "Live long", They are answering me as "DIE INSECT" and the end of the day I am the selfish one while they are "The Man".
I'm glad that you can gain something from the discussion.
I will keep suggesting people to not support Hearthstone anyways. I care for people's thoughts who doesn't attack directly I am just being toxic if they attack directly to me while I am addressing Hearthstone/Blizzard team. I have begun the thread as even I didn't support Hearthstone/Blizzard since Ragnaros and won't support anymore after this move. That's the only case here. I have explained myself enough to people that claims I'm selfish. I don't really care their thoughts anymore but comments like this and some others above are really important to me. They might understand this "He absolutely care just people who own the skin." but it isn't like that. People with some emphathy in them are obvious here.
They should evaluate their standards of judgement again. They all think justice and equality are same things. I have even shared an image just because of that.
I've said that in my OP and wanted to repeat again, The thing that you think is easy might not be that easy to anyone. Ok, I didn't give up on something to play on that month or getting to those skin but even it is like that, it won't change the truth; You don't know that I gave up on something to be able to obtain them or not. I might be given up to play other games in order to play hearthstone in that month or might be taken to be arrested by faking my adress etc. (I know that's silly but the point here is not that). You can't know. I also understand that I can't know why you couldn't own the skin with the same way but I am already not attacking anyone who doesn't own the skin. I am adressing Blizzard. Not them.
For whom thinks I use pompous language; bla bla Something Something addressing blizzard here not you something .
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OP and others deemed the cost worth the reward at the time because of the fear of missing out, which is a popular thing in Blizzard games that they love to take advantage of. Just because they didn't outright say Tyrande will never be available again doesn't mean the implication was not there, hence why some feel either manipulated or seen as nothing more than a product because of this decision (yes they did say the opposite, but that was a little bit later to my recollection). Like ShadowsOfSense said, people chose to go through this effort and I agree, but being part of a minority that gets glossed over does make one feel like they are being left out. And it's hilarious how ironic it is.
The thing about philosophy it's that it's a little bit fickle though, because you can just create any story with a tangent that supports your argument no matter how ridiculous it might get: "it doesn't affect you what Epstein did in his off-time, so there's no base for a complaint" and we'd just go around in circles getting nowhere. But for argument's sake, in your girlfriend's example I'd say the reason behind Pupil Nr. 1's privilege would make or break Pupil Nr. 2's case. If that privilege was because of a medical condition that needed weekly check-ups, then it's completely fine and 2 is an asshole for trying to deny that. But if that privilege was because of nepotism so Pupil Nr. 1 can go home and play video games while they're laughing at the peasants who have to "go to school" then Nr. 2 is fully right in trying to deny that, because of fairness. And fairness does have some tangents to this whole argument after all, albeit a bit muddled since both sides consider their side to be the fair one.
The effort was acknowledged, though? You got to use this portrait while others could not. For over 3 years you got to use a skin that wasn't available for others. It is only now that this also becoming available for others again, and again for only a limited time (I assume) so in future there will be people who own the skin and people who don't.
I do understand that people that already own the skin feel like others are getting something for free here while they are not, but I think they are forgetting that they had something for years which others could not optain but maybe really wanted. As it was stated before in this thread blizz apparently never claimed that Tyrande never came back(I never checked that though, only relying on others), so one can't really argue that they lied or tricked people and therefore should compensate with packs, a different version of a existing skin or whatever(maybe a little "I play this game longer than you" button to add to your side of the board? ^^)
On the other hand I would not have a problem if they gave you guys free packs, but we know how blizz feels about giving packs away for free... But that is another topic.
In conclusion I think that people who already own tyrande should try to remember that they had access to a cosmetic that others could not obtain, which is apparently really important for some people, for three years. That is a good thing you guys had. However things always change, the demand for tyrande was high and blizzard decided to give a lot of people what they want but could get before(for different reasons). So nowothers get to enjoy this too, which means that you might feel a little less exclusive about owning that portrait now, but on the other hand a lot of people will be really happy to be able to play with her in the future(like me :D)
This. I hoped (and I expected one) for a small compensation like a free hero portrait. And I completely understand Almaniarra. I don't even have all card backs, as I started with TGT, so Ragnaros card back didn't help me shit. Why didn't they allow you, for example, to choose one seasonal card back to obtain for free?
And here it's the same: give players, who already have Tyrande, another (buyable, not a preorder one) hero for free, which they can choose - or straight up Sylvanas, but give them something rather equivalent. I for myself started Amazon Prime especially because of the promotion (and because I used my free trial before Amazon bought Twitch I had to pay).
This feels like moving a card to the hall of fame without a dust compensation. Even then we can't complain, as it's their game - but we don't have to like it.
Still hoping for a small surprise in the form of a free hero when Tyrande comes back..
Edit: It's the same with Khadgar, he is not available anymore and was for only a short period of time for IOS only. If it comes back free like tyrande I'd be pretty happy, but I could totally understand other players feeling tricked.
What kind of loser do you have to be to spend so much time to try and prove your point about few pixels in a childrens card game. Grow up mate
Wow, that's so nice play with the example !
come to the topic, even the example might be related in some ways it is completely different while I can't abuse the system by wanting a compensation or a difference between people got. Pupil 1 might even be abusing the system by using his/her medical conditions, here, I don't want to abuse the system by obtaining another free skin. You might say that "pupil 1 might also want his/her classmates allowed to to leave early once a week." like I want you to obtain it, That doesn't make pupil responsible for school's actions by not allowing others to leave early. Pupil 2 might want to leave early by making (or simulating) same conditions with pupil 1. He/She might find a reasoning to leave early (as you can find a way to obtain the skin in time how I obtained it from a different country.) and don't make pupil 1 to lose his right but he/she is doing it in harassing way (like how people whines about tyrande without wanting a compensation for others who owns the skin together while people who owns the skin wants others to obtain tyrande) so you should decide who is selfish here.
As you can see, playing with the example to move around it is the easiest way but not the reality and empathy is the hard way.
It turns full circle and stays same place everytime. Equality is not justice. We are not equal, Womens and Men, Animals and Human, Person and another person, etc. . We need to be fair more than equal. It is fair that you want that skin and it is fair that I want a compensation. It is fair that I want you to obtain that skin but it isn't fair that you don't want me to get compensation. I really can't understand how I am be more selfish than someone while I want something for him/her who I don't even know but he/she doesn't want me to compensated.
I won't support Hearthstone anymore. That's the case, even you call me selfish while I am not. I won't care anymore because You really don't care me while I care you.
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I don't understand the complaint of not getting any compensation for this. We've known Tyrande would be returning for a long time now; your 'compensation' is having been able to use Tyrande for the years before other players could.
I got Tyrande during the Twitch Prime promotion, and have happily used her quite a lot since then. Now other players are finally able to use her, which is great. Nothing about this scenario means anything bad for me; I don't lose anything, all that happens is other people gain. There's no reason for me to gain anything. I already got the gain years ago.
Welcome to the site!
and here comes my favorite argument.
BLA, BLA, Something, CHILDREN'S CARD GAME, Something, loser, loser, something bla bla I am SUPREME something something I DON'T EVEN CARE FOR A CHILDREN'S CARD GAME bla bla
ok, be happy the part of a children's card game while abusing people who share their thoughts about a situation as grown men by explaining their reasonings with your most childish attitude about a children's card game in a children's card game forum while you are also playing that children's card game and being part of a children's card game community while being same place with the community of a children's card game even you downloaded that children's card game to your phone and computer bla bla something children's card game, loser's thread about children's card game in a children's card game forum, bla bla children something card game bla card game's forum.
All of the grown men are playing this game and call the game as "children's card game" I really wonder where are those children.
That would be more intelligent argument if you say "a game you are playing while shitting" tho but still not that intelligent without that attitude of the ass.
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Actually, I don't want a compensation. I just want people who doesn't own the skin be able to want a compensation for me like how I want the skin for them. That's why I am trying to answer any comments here to make my point clearer. Even If I'm a collector and like rare stuff, I like relationships more like any other human-being but It seems noone wants to show that empathy for me.
I just wanted to see some empathy. That's all.
I already did whatever I can do for compensating it for myself, stopped supporting hearthstone and suggested people to not support Hearthstone by learning from my mistakes. That's all i can do and i did it. My conscience is clear enough.
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Wait what? At first you said you only want to complain to blizzard because they tricked you. Then you said you would be fine if everyone gets the skin, as long as it is different from yours (in other words you don't want everybody to get the skin you already have). Now you say you actually do want for everyone to the get skin, you also don't want compensation, but you want other people to want a compensation for you. Because you want empathy? I am thoroughly confused. Not really sure what you goal is here, but if you are really looking for empathy, maybe a internet forum about a ccg isn't the best place.
Also we understand you wont be supporting hearthstone any more, you don't really need to put it at the end of every response.
Ok I won't repeat it. I was doing that because people might comment without reading all of the posts so I am explaining it again to the people who I quoted.
It is not a general empathy tho. It is empathy for this case and something appeared just because people's attitude and answers.
It is in this order;
me: "I want you guys to obtain the skin but if you are obtaining it, I deserve a compensation, don't I".
people: "no you fucking loser ! We deserve that skin ! You did nothing to obtain it ! "
me: "Look; I already want that skin for you, can't you show some empathy towards me in this situation ?"
people: " No way ! You can't deserve a compensation just because you are in the right place in the right time ! "
me: "So people, listen me, I did that mistake before, I want to suggest you not support the game about limited time content like me just because there is a possibility that they might trick you too."
someone:
something: "something, something, children's card game, something, you are giving so much value to a gif, something !!!@@!!@!!"
me : " something, something, flame, something, insults, something, toxic, something !!@!@!@"
people: "STFU ! We don't need a losers suggestion, That was your fault to be tricked at first place !"
me: "Ok thanks for the discussion, I've gained something here and fuck y'all ! "
people: "Thanks ! Some of us also gained something and Fuck you too ! "
at the end we all: "Some off-topic example arguments!"
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The acknowledgement and reward being having had Tyrande as a timed exclusive is an interesting point, but it's a little bit arguable: it was not marketed as such. If their initial announcement was "get Tyrande now with Twitch Prime, or for free at a later date" then I am certain most of these arguments wouldn't even happen today, because people should have known what they were getting into and if they didn't read the fine print then it's their own fault so they really would not have room to complain about it. However, their only official statement at the time was that they were looking into making Tyrande available in other regions too, which let's face it could have meant anything.
The whole timed-exclusive thing actually has more merit than it seems though, because Tyrande was initially released in a time when there were only like a couple of alternate hero portraits total, so having it back then was 'worth' way more than it is right now when we are reaching 3-5 alternate portraits for every single hero. It's definitely a fair perspective.
With all my arguments in this thread so far, honestly I'm just starting to think that it's about the dopamine rush when getting free stuff. Most people get Tyrande for free, while users who already had Tyrande get nothing and are annoyed because of it, since they can't participate in this feelgood atmosphere of praising Blizzard for its love for the community.
Sure we could argue all day about how the initial promotion wasn't fair in the first place, or about Blizzard's manipulative psychological tactics in promotional marketing that make people feel like they're missing out by not participating, or how this whole Tyrande release is the easiest and most low-effort way for Team 5 to get in good graces with its community, since it's just making a previously scarce cosmetic freely available for everyone. But all these arguments ignore how giving away Sylvanas to Tyrande-owners would've most likely meant that none of these arguments would have taken place, at least from my perspective. Then again the cause of that could also be that the Tyrande-owners wouldn't have felt like they were brushed under the rug with this event in the first place, so it's all debatable.
At the end of the day, it's commendable to see it like you do no matter how you put it, and I joined this thread purely out of love for arguing since I fully realize no amount of discussion here will influence anything. But I don't think this debate will ever reach a satisfying conclusion, since ironically both sides accuse each other of being selfish and both have a reason to do so.
btw, if it is time limited again ( I really don't know about this and don't think also) it might cause newer players to whine more which brings new situations on the table.
I don't think blizzard wants more people whines about tyrande anymore in future so they should do at least free for everyone in everytime this time which is also sounds ridiculous that the only available skin of the game is Lady Liadrin by playing WoW for 20 levels.
So, what is the anduin's meaning at the first place then ? Make Tyrande basic skin if you will give it away whoever joins the game.
Situation here is more ridiculous than I thought. It is horns of a dilemma. If you will give Tyrande any time to anyone, there is no meaning Anduin at all but if you won't give, people who doesn't own might whine in future again.
Hahah ! So funny it sounds.
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I actually read the whole post and I don't think that is an accurate representation of how it went down. I know you are obviously simplifieng and exaggerating to get your point across. However there was a fair share of arguments made, like how you weren't really tricked since it was never clearly said tyrande would never be available again, it was discussed if people who already own her should get compensation, people from both side gave different opinions and so on. Of course there are always people who insult and bring the children's cards game-argument, this is the internet after all. But I think there where a lot of points made in this thread, it seems that there are more people happy about tyrande coming back than people who feel cheated. Yet you are not alone, but you are the minority. If you think you can convince everyone to think like you and feel for you, then you will be disappointed. Most people mainly care about themselves and don't show empathy for strangers, especially if they are in different circumstances than they are and especially especially if they are some what anonymous on the internet. Don't keep pushing, you are fighting windmills here buddy.
I am already saying that I really gained something in this discussion. I am not pushing anything.
Also true that, not saying anything can't be lying. So Blizzard's not saying that Tyrande might come back can't make it exclusivity a lie.
I am %90 sure of that at first revealed, Tyrande was prime-exclusive after so much whines because people likes the skin so much Blizzard changed their mind and threw it in a pool as a weapon "if we lose consumers in some time, we can use it to bring back them."
Anyways, really tired of explaining stuff. I had opened the forum because of sharing my custom created expansion today while responding other answers but can't even complete to add explains and all the cards because of trying to explain myself and respond to this thread and I didn't have time to do so and a bit frustrated to discuss this long.
I might not respond anytime soon here.
For people I upset, sorry for that but know that you also upset me, I don't upset people unless they are attacking me
and for people who discussed it in healthy way, thanks all for your comments, I've learnt and gained something here, I hope you gained too but if you say "meh, you can't add me anything." That's also ok.
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A cop stops two cars for speeding. He greets the one and lets him ho. Then he gives you a fine.
From your point of view it is absolutely OK, because you should not take into consideration someones privilege.
Do you see the error in your view?
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There’s no error here. It’s not your business whether someone else did or didn’t get punished for something they did. Did you do something wrong that gives someone the right to punish you? If you did, you have absolutely nothing to claim if they do.
You can protest the other person being released on grounds that they may threaten society (and you) if they keep driving unchecked, but that is specific to this example and has nothing to do with the example @anchorm4n brought. Student nr. 1 being allowed to leave early doesn’t impact student nr. 2 in any way, so it’s not his business.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
You need to be a buddhist-monk level of conscience, if you can ignore injustice. If everyone would be like ignoring derogiation happening to other then themselves you society would fall apart.
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Well played, that's a great reply. I hope OP is okay with us drifting away from his case, because I'd like to answer that.
I want to start with making clear that I'm all against injustices like the one in your example. I actually happen to be a cop and I wouldn't want to live in a country where something like that was tolerated. I would also speak up against every fellow officer who (mis)behaved this way.
Now to my actual response. Surely your example would cause outrage in a vast majority of people. But I still stick to my theory and claim that accepting the fine without complaint about the fine would be the right thing to do. I misbehaved, I get sanctioned for it, those are the rules. My emotional state about the treatment of other people in the same situation doesn't change the fact that I am rightfully getting punished. That said, I'm no saint, I can't tell if I'd live up to that standard in real life.
Then, following my starting words, complaining about the cops behaviour would certainly be adequat. But this means criticizing the execution of the system by an individual, not the system (= the law against speeding) in itself.
So imho the morally right thing to do would be to pay the fine and then to complain about the cops behaviour.
It's crucial not to mix up these two points in your example. I still don't know the reason behind letting pupil nr. 1 in my example getting to leave school early once a week, but I asume as well that there might be medical reasons or some such. So as long as the system itself isn't flawed, pupil nr. 2 is an ashole for trying to pull nr. 1 down for not getting the same treatment.
I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
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To add my two cents the value of getting tyrande when it was first available was that it was exclusive if you subscribed to prime. This was great for the collectors and hardcore fans and for the past few years it has remained that way but now things have changed
At that time Hearthstone on twitch was massive and if you were a fan of the game anyway this was a no brainer as twitch gave you other rewards for Hearthstone too.
Since then twitch has seen shrinkage on its hearthstone viewings and there is no way this kind of marketing attempt would work now.
So blizzard are just fixing a pretty bad marketing scheme and unfortunately as in all walks of life there will be winners and losers
Not much to argue about.
+1 mate
I got Tyrande too back in the day and think it's good players who couldn't/didn't are getting her.
Would be nice if Blizzard gave a nod to those who already had her even if it was just a pack. But hey, not going to worry about it and certainly not arguing they have to.
All generalizations are false.
I think the people who already own tyrande shouldn't be upset about other people owning tyrande, and they also shouldn't ask for compensation or ask for sympathy that their skin isn't exclusive anymore or anything else. People shouldn't worry about what other people have, Blizzard told you that if you have amazon prime then you will get the skin, so you signed up for a free trial and got the skin. And now, you still have the skin, and that should be enough for you. It shouldn't matter that other people have the skin now, it should only matter that you still have the skin, just like you were promised.
Here is a story to help illustrate my point:
There was a man who owned a field, and he was looking to hire some people to work in the field. So he went into town at around nine o'clock and found some people not doing anything so he said to them "come work in my field and I will pay you two silver coins". They agreed and they started working in the field. Then he did the same thing at around noon, and three. At five o'clock he found some men not doing anything and he asked them "why are you not working?" they said "because no one has hired us" so he said "go work in my field, and I will pay you two silver coins". So they agreed and went to work in his field. Then at the end of the day the man called in all of the workers from the field so he could give them their pay. He started with the ones who were called last, and ended with the ones who he called first. When the workers who were called first saw that everyone else was being paid two silver coins, they thought they would get more because the worked longer, but they were still paid only two silver. They were angry and said '‘These who were hired last worked only one hour and you have paid them the same as us who have been working all day". He answered them "I am not being unfair to you. Didn’t you agree to work for two silver coins? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?".
You agreed to start a free amazon trial and fake your location to get tyrande, and you got exactly what you were promised. Don't be upset that other people got the same thing for less, you got this skin for a fair price, and that should be enough for you.
Carrion, my wayward grub.
Almaniarra: Honestly I'm really asking this not being snide - Is this whole thread a piece of performance art on how many downvotes you can collect with a single unpopular opinion?
I legitimately cannot fathom being this adamantly upset about someone else getting a free, fundamentally useless cosmetic. It's not like you paid forit and now others are getting it for free, or other people are getting packs/legendaries that actually have an impact on the game, or whatever. It's a hero skin and a card back - something nobody will see 95% of the time when you're playing any hero besides Priest or anyone who doesn't use this particular card back on the deck you're playing.
I'd like to drop a little something on this thread. No one attack or silence it please.
I'll give him some protection:
To preface my remarks - I don't support the OP, and I think their anger over something entirely cosmetic is totally unwarranted, especially in the context of the unfairly limited release of the Tyrande hero skin back in 2016.
This is getting way into the weeds of how the business model of the internet works, but I think you could make an argument that people who got Tyrande back in 2016 did actually pay for it. For some, it may have meant getting Amazon Prime/Twitch Prime (which costs money)*, and for everyone it meant linking your Amazon, Twitch, and Blizzard accounts, thereby paying Blizzard with information about you and your Twitch viewing preferences. By contrast, this time around Tyrande is being used as a means of simultaneously fixing the unfairness of the original release while also promoting the new in-game store. It requires jumping through zero hoops and sharing zero data with Blizzard that they don't already have.
Your data has value, and so in that sense, if you have Tyrande already you did pay for it (or at least traded for it). Of course, fixing the online commercialization of personal data is way outside the scope of Hearthstone, and in most cases Tyrande was and remains free in the monetary sense of the word.
*Many people probably already had Amazon Prime accounts, or could have gotten a free trial for the Tyrande promotion, but theoretically this costs money that someone might not otherwise spend, and I have seen nothing in the OP's remarks which specify whether that was the case for them.
You being treated the way you deserve to be treated isn’t injustice. Injustice would be a cop giving you a ticket without you actually speeding or breaking the law in any way.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
I’ll counter that
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
Damnit! Well... good thing this was already in play...
What?! What kind of retroactive trickery is this?! Oh well, you’ll find there’s much more where that came from
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
Blocked by the Counterspell good sir. Unless you played The Coin first ;)
Yeah, sorry about that. Normal Coin won’t show on the image option, so I switched to Counterfeit Coin and changed the spellstone accordingly
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
I actually agree with you here. Sylvanas being free for people who already got it would have been a nice move from blizz. Also, I don´t think they have actually said she wont be free for them, so this could be a nice last second surprise for them. I doubt that would be the case, but hey! One can be hopefull!
Also on another note, that Sylvanas skin is sick! I cant wait to buy it!
Lol! Didnt read to the end! Loved that little match you were playing!
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No, should I ?
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Man, all this discussion about Tyrande and I'm just sitting here with my 1k Anduin skin annoying people with my WOW-Emote.
But, just to add something to all this: I think that the old Owners should be compensated.
I see a lot of people here writting stuff like „you're not losing anything", „you just don't want others to enjoy that skin“, etc.This might get me downvoted, but truth is that older owners do lose something, and that's the emotional value of this skin. Yes, getting Tyrande was not hard, but that's not important. What is however is this little special something that you get from being at the right place at the right time, which is very important to collectors.
When you're selling a product, which in this case is indirectly HS, you want to gain the trust/appreciation of your customerbase. The best way to do so is to establish an emotional bond between customer and product. Or, to put it in other words: You're not just selling a product, you're also selling the experience!
„Hey, you watch HS on Twitch? Well, thank you for your interest in the Community! Here's a little gift!“
By giving away the Skin for free, you are taking away the value it has to players, which leads to them feeling betrayed. You don't want this to happen, so you should give older owners at least something.
So, yeah, it's complicated. I don't think to much about skins, they're just some jpg's with moving effects. But if you do, if you are someone who paid for their skin or did take part in a special event, you should be compensated. After all, you did your part in this Customer-Product-Relationship by engaging and giving your trust to Blizzard.
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After million times that I explained myself; how can't you still understand that it doesn't upset me to others getting a free skin ?
What you guys don't understand (which I highlighted it always as you willingly misunderstand just because of being able to refuse the truth behind we deserve a compensation) is "it doesn't upset me to others getting a free skin".
I said it million times; it doesn't justice, it is just reality ! BUT it is the truth so I can't change it; I just opened the thread to express my feelings and what I did decide to do and suggest people the same thing as I did that stop paying time-limited content of Hearthstone because Blizzard takes advantage of this and make them free in time and still defending that; Blizzard tricks people to make some content time-limited, it is wrong (not unsuccesful but wicked and tricky) advertising in my opinion.
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I have brought another argument here and I've changed my thought a bit after some consideration.
When you think about free packs from Twitch Drops, it is same with Tyrande deal, at least similar but they are not country-only deals so all people can attend to be a part of those giveaways. After they end, Noone will have a reason to whine because they are free to attend. People don't have reasons to deserve compensation and others don't have reasons to whine about why they didn't get.
So, to end this discussion; I guess we all agree that The first Prime deal which gives the skin is unfair at the first place.
This move of Blizzard tries to correct that unfairness (with a wicked way tho, I still think that they use Tyrande Skin as a weapon). All will have this shiny skin.
What really upsets me is that People who don't have the skin still can't wish good things for people who owns the skin while People with skin wishes that they 're glad they are finally getting the skin and people still doesn't understand this topic is not related personally with them or any other community member, it just addresses a company's move. I still think that I can't accept how Blizzard do this but it's ok now when I think about Twitch Drops.
At the end, I will keep my issue about Blizzard and won't support them for Hearthstone because of the Card back Issue and the way they give Tyrande skin + the marketing policy about Hearthstone but I can understand now why you think we don't deserve compensations (Twitch Drop example of the beginning of my post). Maybe I didn't lose anything, You too; but blizzard lost me with this wicked and tricky move; that's the truth. (maybe it is not so important for them that I'm a single guy tho but I really hope that some anothers also think like me and stops supporting hearthstone. This thread's aim is this afterall.)
Even though there were some flames, toxic discussions (by me or by others) I think that this discussion had great sides. I hope you got my point of view since I can consider some other ways of considering after some intelligent discussions.
I really can't believe and it really upsets me how people still thinks that I don't want them to get skins for free tho. I don't even tell about anything like that.
Anyways; Even you think that I'm the most selfish person in the world and acting like the most important thing in my life is this Tyrande Skin, I honestly will continue to say that I hope you will enjoy how I enjoyed Tyrande and love to use her quotes however you want.
Congratz to all that didn't obtain the skin before.
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That’s all well and good, but Blizzard sold the product. The fact that older players bought it for the experience is another matter entirely, which Blizzard has no responsibility over. Therefore, Blizzard doesn’t owe them refunds.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
But refunds are given for objective value. Not subjective.
Limited amount of time doesn't necessarily mean never again.
Should we get a refund every time a favourite deck falls in meta tiers?
Sorry if I wasn't clear enough
When I say product I mean HS, not the Skin itself.
About the expierience-thing: It's very important to give your target group something they can expierience, so they keep engaging with the product (in this case: take part in limited time Event — > maybe spend Money on Packs/Skins). So, yes, Blizzard has some kind of responsibility when it comes things like these, cause it's these things that lead to more trust between them and the customer and therefore possibly more sales in the future.
I'm not talking about Refunds. The Customers were not harmed, so that would be the wrong thing. What I'm saying is, that it would be in Blizzards interest to compensate these „collectors " and keep their trust, because these are also the people that are the most likely to buy more of exclusive Items (like Skins through Pre-Order).
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No, we should not.
I already said my last words about the situation on the post that is 2 above of your post so There is no meaning to discuss anymore I guess.
@All people who follows this thread, please read it.
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Highlighted the pieces of your argument I want to talk about. You claim that the best business strategy (in your opinion) is to give a sense of trust to old players (by giving them the exclusivity they claim to deserve for playing longer). That’s a reasonable opinion, I’m sure, but that does NOT mean that Blizzard has a moral obligation to abide by that strategy. Just because a certain policy may be their best option financially doesn’t mean they are morally obligated to do it.
This discussion is about whether OP is right to be mad at Blizzard or not for a decision they took, which means we are discussing whether Blizzard is morally on the wrong here. Therefore, your argument doesn’t fit here.
Make The Cow King an alternate Warrior skin plz
Yea, you are right about Blizzard not being morally obligated to do it. However, it should be said that it should be in their interest to appael as the „good guys" to their customers. This entire thread is an example of them having frustrated some players.
I know that my argumentation could be better (my knowledge about marketing and Brand-Customer-Relationship is mediocre at best), but I wanted to understand and maybe explain where the OPs viewpoint is coming from: he apparently is a collector-type of player, which means that he values things such as rarity/exclusivity and so. And this „free-giveaway“ takes this away from him and other players that think alike. The OP, at least in my Opinion, is in the righ to be upset.
I think Blizzard should've made her available like they did it before, by a limited time offer. This way everyone gets the chance to obtain her without taking this „excludivity" from older Owners. I know it seems just about the same as just getting it, but trust me. A little bit of engagement and this „special expierence“ are very important to a specific group of players (which are probably also most likely those who would buy special skins in the future).
So, that's pretty much my Standpoint on this whole topic. I hope I could add something to this discussion. :)
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Try playing WoW for 10 years straight & having very rare tcg mounts/items that you ground out months' worth of gold for handed out on the BMAH copy pasta style like it was nothing.
I'm hardly salty over Blizzard giving away old cardbacks or heroes in HS. The only 'work' HS players put into cosmetics is pretty much summed up as "Did I spend a few dollars during this promotion?" or "Did I bother playing a few games on ranked across an entire month to get this one random card back?"
This argument pretty much holds no water in HS when compared to many of the other Blizzard games where in many instances you almost do have to make the game your 'job outside of work' to get rare, hard, or super grindy stuff sometimes.
Yeah, I’d only really understand the argument if it was actually something vaguely difficult you had to do for it. A lot of the arguments I see against Blizzard making these older cosmetics available again relies on the idea that it was in some way invalidating what they had done before to get it. It’s really only the heroic cardbacks I could understand that for, and even they barely qualify for that to me (because of how much of a joke it is it get a lot of them).
It makes sense to be upset that they’re giving out stuff you put a lot of effort into getting, but if newer players are putting in basically the same amount of effort you put into getting it, then it’s not really as meaningful of an achievement as you’re making it out to be
Who needs consistency when you could have fun?