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Standard is awful right now

Anyone else feel this way?  The Ramp Druid/Res Priest is awful to play against.  A monkey could pilot those decks. How hard is it to throw Taunt minions out every turn that have reborn and regne health?  Its ridiculous....done with it.  Battlegrounds if I play at all. 

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  • Anyone else feel this way?  The Ramp Druid/Res Priest is awful to play against.  A monkey could pilot those decks. How hard is it to throw Taunt minions out every turn that have reborn and regne health?  Its ridiculous....done with it.  Battlegrounds if I play at all. 

    • Quote From Thurmdog

      Anyone else feel this way?  The Ramp Druid/Res Priest is awful to play against.  A monkey could pilot those decks. How hard is it to throw Taunt minions out every turn that have reborn and regne health?  Its ridiculous....done with it.  Battlegrounds if I play at all. 

      Are we playing the same game?

      Standard is actually pretty good right now, and neither of those decks are an issue or even a large part of the meta. 

      • played 9 games so far tonight......1/3 against res priest..Ill keep a tally every time i play one ill edit this comment. 

  • In before "HSReplay sez Quest Priest Tier 2 hurr durr."

  • So you never met pre-pre nerf quest rogue or old pirate warrior? This meta is absolutly fine

  • What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

    Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

    Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

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    • Quote From YourPrivateNightmare

      What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

      Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

      Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

      There's a new druid deck revolving around witching hour and the new druid taunt.

      • Quote From DoubleSummon
        Quote From YourPrivateNightmare

        What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

        Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

        Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

        There's a new druid deck revolving around witching hour and the new druid taunt.

        I maybe ran into that one twice within the last two days, so it can't be popular enough to complain about.

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        • Quote From YourPrivateNightmare
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          What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

          Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

          Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

          There's a new druid deck revolving around witching hour and the new druid taunt.

          I maybe ran into that one twice within the last two days, so it can't be popular enough to complain about.

          I played around casual for the last 2 days I saw this deck in around half my games (played 15 I think) it's gaining popularity.. it reminds me of res priest.. and the worst of all is that you can't really sheep or hex the annoying minion cause it's untargetable.. (well sheep or hex still makes witching hour less consistent... like with hadronox)

          I played the deck a bit it can be rushed down.. or get out controlled with perfect control draws of control warrior.. but galakround warrior seem to have no chance against it.. similar to res priest actually it's also really good vs face hunter it got taunts, heals.. and armor gain.

          it's interesting how one card created a full deck I kind of regret not rating the card a 5 star card (put it at 4/5)

          • Quote From DoubleSummon
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            What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

            Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

            Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

            There's a new druid deck revolving around witching hour and the new druid taunt.

            I maybe ran into that one twice within the last two days, so it can't be popular enough to complain about.

            I played around casual for the last 2 days I saw this deck in around half my games (played 15 I think) it's gaining popularity.. it reminds me of res priest.. and the worst of all is that you can't really sheep or hex the annoying minion cause it's untargetable.. (well sheep or hex still makes witching hour less consistent... like with hadronox)

            I played the deck a bit it can be rushed down.. or get out controlled with perfect control draws of control warrior.. but galakround warrior seem to have no chance against it.. similar to res priest actually it's also really good vs face hunter it got taunts, heals.. and armor gain.

            it's interesting how one card created a full deck I kind of regret not rating the card a 5 star card (put it at 4/5)

            Odd, I haven't encountered the deck a single time yet. I just keep running into Galakrond Rogues and facehunters over and over again.

            Now granted, i haven't played a whole lo, partly because of the aforementioned, but still.

             

            As for battlegrounds, a way to scale neutral minions was and still is sorely needed; almost all of the buffs and scaling mechanisms in the game, especially if you disregard heropowers, are limited to tribes, which excludes the vast majority of neutral minions from lategame feasibility. Outside of Baron, Brann and Lightfang, there aren't really any neutral minions you'd want in an end-game lineup. Well, maybe soul juggler in a demon build or Kangor's apprentice in a mech build, but you get the picture.

             

            Giving neutral minions scaling options automatically makes the game a bit more diverse as you're not limited to [tribe] or menagerie. I'd love to see several minions that buff neutral minions the same way you have several ways to buff tribal minions. otherwise you're still only going to see lategame boogie monsters and such in Tyrone builds. A neutral 'lord' a la Murloc Warleader would be nice too.

          • Quote From DoubleSummon
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            What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

            Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

            Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

            There's a new druid deck revolving around witching hour and the new druid taunt.

            I maybe ran into that one twice within the last two days, so it can't be popular enough to complain about.

            I played around casual for the last 2 days I saw this deck in around half my games (played 15 I think) it's gaining popularity.. it reminds me of res priest.. and the worst of all is that you can't really sheep or hex the annoying minion cause it's untargetable.. (well sheep or hex still makes witching hour less consistent... like with hadronox)

            I played the deck a bit it can be rushed down.. or get out controlled with perfect control draws of control warrior.. but galakround warrior seem to have no chance against it.. similar to res priest actually it's also really good vs face hunter it got taunts, heals.. and armor gain.

            it's interesting how one card created a full deck I kind of regret not rating the card a 5 star card (put it at 4/5)

            I beat one with Handlock. Turns out they don't do nearly as well against multiple chunky bois.

            Still think it'S overrated and only played because of the hype. If everything goes wrong, teching Tinkmaster Overspark solves most of your problems

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        • Quote From YourPrivateNightmare
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          What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

          Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

          Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

          There's a new druid deck revolving around witching hour and the new druid taunt.

          I maybe ran into that one twice within the last two days, so it can't be popular enough to complain about.

          It's literally the 7th most-played list on HSReplay, your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

          • Quote From Erodos

            It's literally the 7th most-played list on HSReplay, your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

            Ok ok, I was going to ignore all the stuff I don't agree with in this thread because people can have opinions different than mine, but this is too much lol

            1) If more than half of the meta is split between Rogue (Highlander, Galakrond) and Hunter (Highlander, Face) it doesn't take much playrate to be the 7th list, even more if it contains one of the few new viable cards released literally 3 days ago. Everyone wants to play with the new toys.

            2) A deck's playrate doesn't indicate its strength: remember how many people played Galakrond Priest in December despite it being an absolute pile of garbage? Everyone knew but still insisted to make it work. That deck was at best tier 3 but it was so popular on ladder.

            3) Imagine quoting HS Replay as a valid meta report source. In Vicious Syndicate and only in Vicious Syndicate we trust.

             

            • Quote From Avalon
              Quote From Erodos

              It's literally the 7th most-played list on HSReplay, your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

              Ok ok, I was going to ignore all the stuff I don't agree with in this thread because people can have opinions different than mine, but this is too much lol

              1) If more than half of the meta is split between Rogue (Highlander, Galakrond) and Hunter (Highlander, Face) it doesn't take much playrate to be the 7th list, even more if it contains one of the few new viable cards released literally 3 days ago. Everyone wants to play with the new toys.

              2) A deck's playrate doesn't indicate its strength: remember how many people played Galakrond Priest in December despite it being an absolute pile of garbage? Everyone knew but still insisted to make it work. That deck was at best tier 3 but it was so popular on ladder.

              3) Imagine quoting HS Replay as a valid meta report source. In Vicious Syndicate and only in Vicious Syndicate we trust.

               

              That dude said the deck isn't popular, I referred to data that shows it is popular and you're saying I'm wrong because... you don't think it's strong? Nobody said anything about strength. In your first two points you're literally saying that the deck is popular, and you're last point is just wrong since HSReplay has a lot more data than VS, being able to show popularity more accurately.

              • Quote From Erodos
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                It's literally the 7th most-played list on HSReplay, your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

                Ok ok, I was going to ignore all the stuff I don't agree with in this thread because people can have opinions different than mine, but this is too much lol

                1) If more than half of the meta is split between Rogue (Highlander, Galakrond) and Hunter (Highlander, Face) it doesn't take much playrate to be the 7th list, even more if it contains one of the few new viable cards released literally 3 days ago. Everyone wants to play with the new toys.

                2) A deck's playrate doesn't indicate its strength: remember how many people played Galakrond Priest in December despite it being an absolute pile of garbage? Everyone knew but still insisted to make it work. That deck was at best tier 3 but it was so popular on ladder.

                3) Imagine quoting HS Replay as a valid meta report source. In Vicious Syndicate and only in Vicious Syndicate we trust.

                 

                That dude said the deck isn't popular, I referred to data that shows it is popular and you're saying I'm wrong because... you don't think it's strong? Nobody said anything about strength. In your first two points you're literally saying that the deck is popular, and you're last point is just wrong since HSReplay has a lot more data than VS, being able to show popularity more accurately.

                The user you replied said that "it can't be popular enough to complain about", to which you answered substantially stating that no, it's quite popular [and therefore complaints about it are justified] (I'm not making words of my own y'know).

                Therefore I replied to you saying that popularity doesn't mean strength and therefore it isn't necessarily a problematic deck. Do you see the pattern now?

                On the HSR/VS side, the former shows the popularity of a deck spread through all the ranks, while the latter breaks ladder into samples, one of which is 4-1 and tells a lot about meta's hierarchies.
                A deck can be really popular at Rank 18 but almost non existent at rank 2: how can HSR show it to you without paying and, in the end, which one gives you the most valuable information?

      • Have you played the last 2 days?

      • Quote From DoubleSummon
        Quote From YourPrivateNightmare

        What fucking Ramp Druid are you talking about?

        Even Rez Priest is like less than 10% of the ladder.

        Everyone's playing Rogue now because it beats all of those decks (and most others)

        There's a new druid deck revolving around witching hour and the new druid taunt.

        So then what I'm hearing is that *I* should by Quest Res Priest too and stock up on Plague of Death, Mass Dispel, etc? Can do!

        /s

        But for real though my take on "cancerous meta" is one where there are ONLY 1-2 viable decks that stomp everything - like pre-nerf Shamanstone, or the Halloween Deathrattle/N'zoth Priest. If the meta has 4-7 good competitive decks (Res Priest, Pirate Warrior, Taunt Druid, Galakrond Rogue, etc) then I think it's fine. But i'm also someone who fucks around in ranks 20-15 by design since I like to play "less optimized" decks and memey stuff, so take my opinion for what it's worth...

  • I played a lot of ramp druid and rez priest, and they are tier 2 decks and certainly not meta-defining. And the meta atm is ok cause many different decks are actually viable.

  • Can't beat em join em....8-0 with Embiggen Druid..  Such a cheap easy deck.  This game has gone downhill ladder wise the past 6 sets.   BattleGrounds is an outstanding addition and the Solo's are better.  Ladder play sucks. 

  • So much talk about win rates.

     

    A deck can have a 0٪ win rate and be terrible to play against Grave Rune [Hearthstone Card (conniving infiltrator) Not Found] is straight up cancer to play against, an embiggened cant be targetted taunt Is less aids but still aids.

     

    Shut up about tiers. Shut up about pirate warrior.

  • Come to wild then. the variety is amazing.

    • Started..Up to 7 already...

       

       

    • Quote From Marega

      Come to wild then. the variety is amazing.

      yea if your idea of variety is reno mage, secret mage or handbuff mech paladin

      • Quote From killanator6000
        Quote From Marega

        Come to wild then. the variety is amazing.

        yea if your idea of variety is reno mage, secret mage or handbuff mech paladin

        That was kind of an obvious joke.

        • Quote From Avalon
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          Come to wild then. the variety is amazing.

          yea if your idea of variety is reno mage, secret mage or handbuff mech paladin

          That was kind of an obvious joke.

          And also, I'm assuming, tongue-in-cheek considering Mecha'thun 'lock has a favourable matchup into two of those and is fairly close to even in the third.

      • Quote From killanator6000
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        Come to wild then. the variety is amazing.

        yea if your idea of variety is reno mage, secret mage or handbuff mech paladin

        those are the top decks alongside cubelock. i would say mechathun warlock is also tier 1. but u should face plenty other decks too. just cause theres tie 1 decks doesnt mean ppl only play those. darkest hour odd rogue and even shaman are also slowly creeping up again. u encounter the occasional odd pally jade druid etc. heck even warlock is also back despite the secret mage presence

        the variety is there you need only to see it

        • Quote From Marega
          darkest hour odd rogue and even shaman are also slowly creeping up again. 

          Now that you mention it, I do think that Explosive Evolution may replace Earthen Might in some less Totem-focused Even Shaman lists. Any thoughts?

          • Quote From Avalon
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            darkest hour odd rogue and even shaman are also slowly creeping up again. 

            Now that you mention it, I do think that Explosive Evolution may replace Earthen Might in some less Totem-focused Even Shaman lists. Any thoughts?

            Most minions in EShaman are overstatted for their base cost, bad targets for Evo.

            The only good target is Thing from Below.

            And Might generates Tempo on play turn, while Evo cannot do that.

            At that point you're better off with Ancestral Spirit.

            • Quote From RavenSunHS
              Quote From Avalon
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              darkest hour odd rogue and even shaman are also slowly creeping up again. 

              Now that you mention it, I do think that Explosive Evolution may replace Earthen Might in some less Totem-focused Even Shaman lists. Any thoughts?

              Most minions in EShaman are overstatted for their base cost, bad targets for Evo.

              The only good target is Thing from Below.

              And Might generates Tempo on play turn, while Evo cannot do that.

              At that point you're better off with Ancestral Spirit.

              The Tempo argument is quite solid: I didn't think about it. You're completely right on this one.

      • Quote From killanator6000
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        Come to wild then. the variety is amazing.

        yea if your idea of variety is reno mage, secret mage or handbuff mech paladin

        If you're only focused on ladder climbing and trying to reach legend in Wild, yes there will be a handful of really strong decks you're going to find again and again.  Especially as you climb higher.  At lower ranks you're still going to encounter a lot of those same powerful decks, and even some of the weaker decks will appear more often than some of the really off the wall crap, but overall a much broader variety than Standard.  Which is of course natural given the much higher amount of available cards.

      • Quote From killanator6000
        Quote From Marega

        Come to wild then. the variety is amazing.

        yea if your idea of variety is reno mage, secret mage or handbuff mech paladin

        Dont forget renolock and cubelock ^^
        ... but then that's really as diverse as it gets
        Even even shaman seem to have disappeared.

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  • I smile every time I see people praise HSBG; it's honestly the least interesting or enjoyable form of autobattler I've tried, and I can only assume people who are big on it just haven't/don't play other autobattler games.

    As for the meta, if you go back through various forum archives you can see a thousand threads that are essentially identical to this one. All of them whined about some deck or other which was allegedly brainless, unbeatable, what have you. None of those decks, and none of those threads, bore out in truth.

    So, what's more likely here - that somehow the current meta is the one that managed to actually manifest an utterly broken deck when no previous one has... or that you're just salty and whining about it? A little self-awareness is all.

    • Quote From Bystekhilcar

      I smile every time I see people praise HSBG; it's honestly the least interesting or enjoyable form of autobattler I've tried, and I can only assume people who are big on it just haven't/don't play other autobattler games.

      That assumption would be false.

      I tried Auto Chess when it first blew up, and I thought it was the most boring game I had ever played in my life.

      Note that I despise MOBAs, so that may have a lot to do with my preference.

      • I honestly don't understand it, but hey, you do you mang. As far as I'm concerned, though, if you compare HSBG to TFT, HSBG loses in essentially every criteria except 'ability to play on phone'.

        • Battlegrounds is more simplistic. I dont like TFT

          • That's my issue though - it's so simplistic as to have no depth. A significant part of your winrate is literally coming from RNG before the game even starts, picking a hero. Then you've got 2-3 viable tribes to choose from, which means either you're going to wind up with a suboptimal board or be playing the same thing every game. No items, relatively limited synergies..

            Tirion's release feels really beneficial for the game, really, because at least when you get him you'll be playing a pretty unique board. Though that's not going to happen all that often.

  • Did druid become something overnight? Every druid I face gets obliterated by hunter and rogue, but I'm around rank 9 right now so I could simply face a different eta than you. Where are you at on ladder?

    • I'm rank 9 on ladder Standard..

      Just started wild today and crafted secret mage...already rank 7..lol

       

  • Just tried piloting the Taunt Druid. It seems oppressive playing it.

    Winged Guardian is such as strong card in that deck. As is, a 6/8 body is such a pain to remove with elusive and reborn.

    Now if you drew well, not only can you drop it early with ramp (Breath of Dreams, Wild Growth), you can also have insane value with Predatory Instincts, Witching Hour. If you're really lucky, combo the latter with Archmage Vargoth.

  • The new Taunt Druid looks annoying to deal with, but it's not entirely oppressive. I've lost the two games I played against it, though I was playing Galakrond Warrior and I managed to get them below 10 health before running out of steam. It'll suffer from some super aggro decks based on what I've seen.

  • OP whines about oppressive decks that even monkeys could play in standard...

     

     

    ...And then starts playing secret mage in wild.

    It's been a while since I've read something this ironic.

  • I understand the frustration of playing against Convincing Infiltrator, but to me it doesn't happen all that often. Yesterday I played 3 games against 3 different decks (Highlander Mage, Holy Wrath Paladin and Secret Highlander Hunter); all games were fun and different.

    During the Doom in the Tomb event I played Malygos Shaman as an answer to N'Zoth decks. If you Hex the first minion they want to resurrect, you slow them down enough that they'll likely be dead before they can threaten you. And with Spirit of the Frog, finding Hex is not hard.

    So if the resurrection mechanic bothers you so much, you can play Hex or Polymorph or even Tinkmaster Overspark. Not only do these take a good minion out of the resurrection pool, they also put a bad minion (a Beast!) back in. It might be difficult to build a good Mage deck that is not Highlander, but Shaman has so many good cards that it must be possible to build a deck that can afford to run two copies of Hex, or one copy you can tutor with the shrine.

     

  • If an idiot like me can pilot Embiggen Druid to 14-6 through 20 something is wrong...lol  Never made legend.  Highest I've been is level 2.  I'm at 7 now having been stuck at 10 for a few months. I'm a pretty mediocre player with flashes of brilliance few and far between my moments of stupidity.  Having said all that...Love this deck

     

     

     

  • Can't say i agree with OP !

    First off it just sounds like a salt post because he lost a few times to a specific deck :)

    I think the meta right now is decent/fine - there we're way worse metas and at least on EU Server i face a variety of decks. Im Rank 4 right now messing around with Pure Paladin and the last 5 games i had we're against: Rush-Galakrond Warrior, Highlander Rogue, Highlander Mage, Quest-Handlock and a Zoolock. 

    And, at least for me the this diversity in Decks has been the last few days around rank 5/4 - so i would say Meta is fine. Saw only 1 Priest the last few days and i think 2 or 3 druids which i managed to beat using my Pure Paladin :)

     

  • Taunt druid's rise may see a control dragon warrior rise - plenty of minion orientated damage for the new beast and non-targeting removal spells. 

    I'm sick of res priest now though. Seems like a strong counter against nearly anything unless you build directly to counter. Whenever i'm playing midrange they seem to get the 2/5 deathrattle kill a random enemy minion card and spam it. As aggro they manage to heal long enough to spam kartut defender. Only deck I've felt has a good chance is token druid, anything else though - Perfect draws, every time. 

     

    The power level is a pain but it's just not fun to play against. I'm at the stage of conceding when seeing them and having moments of relief when I play against anything else. dulldulldull. 

     

    Better reduce my salt intake....not very healthy...

  • Seriously, guys wake up, ramp druid is just played because it's new, people will go back to rogue/warrior/hunt in a matter of hours.

    • Quote From Gwavana

      Seriously, guys wake up, ramp druid is just played because it's new, people will go back to rogue/warrior/hunt in a matter of hours.

      Yes, everyone keep playing all of these (druid included) so I can continue my easy af ladder clim