There's an important distinction to be made here between "Discover a card from your deck" and Dredge: the latter only puts the card on the top of the deck, whereas the former draws it. That's significant, because you aren't getting the card you've Dredged immediately, so the card with Dredge has no immediate effect.
This was the subject of much debate when Sightless Watcher was initially released; despite arguments that having the agency to choose what your next draw would be was a huge benefit, opponents argued that not drawing the card on play was so detrimental that it was difficult to justify running what was, in practice, a vanilla 2-mana 3/2. The debate was settled when the card rather quickly dropped off in play, demonstrating that choosing what you draw and not drawing the card is far inferior to just drawing a card.
The only way I can see Dredge as being significant in the coming expansion is if, as they already have, they print cards that shuffle powerful effects to the bottom of your deck, which you would then need to Dredge up.
I wonder if the Sunken Sweeper really is a collectible card, because if so, then ffs we are getting closer and closer to the "HS cards in 2030 be like" powerlevel.
EDIT: Nvm it is not collectible, but the reveal image tells you otherwise.
Almost. It's a neutral counter to any particular card that the opponent is trying to win with, especially in decks with lopsided deck building.
For instance, if you play this against Druid and pick minion they cannot play their Kazakusan until they kill this which they might not be able to if you protect it enough.
The flipside is that if your opponent has the means to remove him wiwthout having to alter their gameplan in a major way you just played a vanilaa 2/6.
Honestly, it's probably the best win condition counter we've had so far. Also great for scouting. If your opponent commits to killing it you know they have in their hand what you intended to counter.
About time Maexxna got the boot. Some interesting additions that will definitely change things up a bit.
Murloc Tidehunter getting kicked out is a big deal tho, that should be interesting how will that change up the early game, also losing the Acolyte from Tier 1. But i guess they might be making room for Nagas.
This seems really good. In Token DH it might see play because it summons a bunch of minions. (duh) But i do wonder if it still summons the appendages when it's summoned by Sigil of Reckoning or when Caria Felsoul turns into Xhilag of the Abyss. If these interactions do actually summon the appendages, then i'm sure Xhilag of the Abyss will see a lot of play in multiple DH decks. (Very flexible)
If it does not work like that, then it will be a lot worse. But even then, you can get a copy of this with Ambassador Faelin which sounds fun.
Even if Dredge becomes prominent, it would require you to spend extra mana to get the minion back. No matter how you slice it, this is Vilespine Slayer with improved Sap (a card which was removed from Core, presumably for being way too good at what it does)
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Also, I'm guessing you're right that the Colossal +4 means that Xhilag summons 4 tentacles. I think it's also safe to assume that they aren't minions you put in your deck, because it would then contradict Xhilag.
You're right, it doesn't actually draw the card. It puts the dredged card on top of your deck. You can check out the demonstration on the official Hearthstone website to see it work, it has a pretty sick animation
I suppose there's the fringe possibility that Dredge becomes a very prominent mechanic, in which case this will probably not see play. That said, we did see a Hooktusk in the video, so it might end up being a filler pirate if Pirate Rogue doesn't get enough support.
Too hard to judge right now. The implication is lots of Naga support for Priest which could be decent since they are spell-synergistic. The question is, how valuable is a self-replicating banana going to be? Miracle Priest dies without Nazmani so that's not an option and it's not a Shadow Spell so no synergies there either.
And here I thought Cookie's fish was actually specific to Mercs.
Good card, very easy to activate and great with handbuffs but might be a bit too generic depending on the meta. Also need to wait and see the new Holy Spells, without Librams and Hand of A'dal the spell density in Paladin is lowered a lot.
So one question is: Do the appendages die if the main body does? If not this could be really insane if you can cheat it out early with something like Sigil of Reckoning. Actually playing it on curve seems kind of bad though. It's literally just a worse Priestess of Fury with slightly more stats, but they're spread out so it's relatively vulnerable to AoE. If you get the tentacles to stick though...oh boy, that's gonna hurt. I want to like it but minions that have to wait a turn to really scale rarely make the cut.
This does beg the question though, since Colossal triggers even on summon, does it work with Caria Felsoul?
Seems decent, but DH essentially has the same card and it stopped seeing play after Ashes of Outland. Probably really good in Arena though, imagine playing a vanilla minion that can help you plan your curve.
Only good on curve if you cast a spell turn 1, but still good later if you can't play it on 2. Wildfire Mage should like this, it's great spell generation and curves after turn 1 Wildfire (if you are so lucky). Should be really good this expansion because lower spell pool, but might just be too generic later on.
Dredge doesn't actually draw it though, right? I think it just puts it on the top of the deck. Kind of like Sightless Watcher but specifically from the bottom 3 cards.
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Im quite excited about this one, but are they joking with Blademaster Okani? Neutral Counterspell that can deny minions too? WTF
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There's an important distinction to be made here between "Discover a card from your deck" and Dredge: the latter only puts the card on the top of the deck, whereas the former draws it. That's significant, because you aren't getting the card you've Dredged immediately, so the card with Dredge has no immediate effect.
This was the subject of much debate when Sightless Watcher was initially released; despite arguments that having the agency to choose what your next draw would be was a huge benefit, opponents argued that not drawing the card on play was so detrimental that it was difficult to justify running what was, in practice, a vanilla 2-mana 3/2. The debate was settled when the card rather quickly dropped off in play, demonstrating that choosing what you draw and not drawing the card is far inferior to just drawing a card.
The only way I can see Dredge as being significant in the coming expansion is if, as they already have, they print cards that shuffle powerful effects to the bottom of your deck, which you would then need to Dredge up.
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Probably prevent it from being played and removes it from opponent hand, while not negating it's mana cost. Like counter spell for minions
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I wonder if the Sunken Sweeper really is a collectible card, because if so, then ffs we are getting closer and closer to the "HS cards in 2030 be like" powerlevel.
EDIT: Nvm it is not collectible, but the reveal image tells you otherwise.
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Almost. It's a neutral counter to any particular card that the opponent is trying to win with, especially in decks with lopsided deck building.
For instance, if you play this against Druid and pick minion they cannot play their Kazakusan until they kill this which they might not be able to if you protect it enough.
The flipside is that if your opponent has the means to remove him wiwthout having to alter their gameplan in a major way you just played a vanilaa 2/6.
Honestly, it's probably the best win condition counter we've had so far. Also great for scouting. If your opponent commits to killing it you know they have in their hand what you intended to counter.
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About time Maexxna got the boot. Some interesting additions that will definitely change things up a bit.
Murloc Tidehunter getting kicked out is a big deal tho, that should be interesting how will that change up the early game, also losing the Acolyte from Tier 1. But i guess they might be making room for Nagas.
New Demon Hunter Minion - Xhilag of the Abyss
This seems really good. In Token DH it might see play because it summons a bunch of minions. (duh) But i do wonder if it still summons the appendages when it's summoned by Sigil of Reckoning or when Caria Felsoul turns into Xhilag of the Abyss. If these interactions do actually summon the appendages, then i'm sure Xhilag of the Abyss will see a lot of play in multiple DH decks. (Very flexible)
If it does not work like that, then it will be a lot worse. But even then, you can get a copy of this with Ambassador Faelin which sounds fun.
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Even if Dredge becomes prominent, it would require you to spend extra mana to get the minion back. No matter how you slice it, this is Vilespine Slayer with improved Sap (a card which was removed from Core, presumably for being way too good at what it does)
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Also, I'm guessing you're right that the Colossal +4 means that Xhilag summons 4 tentacles. I think it's also safe to assume that they aren't minions you put in your deck, because it would then contradict Xhilag.
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Poor Maexxna, punished for the sins of the snake.
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what is the meaning of "counter a minion"?
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You're right, it doesn't actually draw the card. It puts the dredged card on top of your deck. You can check out the demonstration on the official Hearthstone website to see it work, it has a pretty sick animation
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I suppose there's the fringe possibility that Dredge becomes a very prominent mechanic, in which case this will probably not see play. That said, we did see a Hooktusk in the video, so it might end up being a filler pirate if Pirate Rogue doesn't get enough support.
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Looking forward to the Dwarven-quest. Maybe some creative quests instead of the usual tribes, but Dwarves are not a tribe. So I dont think so.
New Priest Spell - Serpent Wig
Too hard to judge right now. The implication is lots of Naga support for Priest which could be decent since they are spell-synergistic. The question is, how valuable is a self-replicating banana going to be? Miracle Priest dies without Nazmani so that's not an option and it's not a Shadow Spell so no synergies there either.
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The new patch also changed the Tavern Brawl this week from "Blood Magic" to "Party Portals!".
New Paladin Minion - Shimmering Sunfish
And here I thought Cookie's fish was actually specific to Mercs.
Good card, very easy to activate and great with handbuffs but might be a bit too generic depending on the meta. Also need to wait and see the new Holy Spells, without Librams and Hand of A'dal the spell density in Paladin is lowered a lot.
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So Blademaster Okani is Neutral Counterspell, with a 1- cost 2/6 attached?
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Maybe they learned from that: the current Recruit cards aren't that oppressive!
New Demon Hunter Minion - Xhilag of the Abyss
So one question is: Do the appendages die if the main body does? If not this could be really insane if you can cheat it out early with something like Sigil of Reckoning. Actually playing it on curve seems kind of bad though. It's literally just a worse Priestess of Fury with slightly more stats, but they're spread out so it's relatively vulnerable to AoE. If you get the tentacles to stick though...oh boy, that's gonna hurt. I want to like it but minions that have to wait a turn to really scale rarely make the cut.
This does beg the question though, since Colossal triggers even on summon, does it work with Caria Felsoul?
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Is it just me or does Shimmering Sunfish look oddly familiar...?
New Neutral Minion - Tuskarrrr Trawler
Seems decent, but DH essentially has the same card and it stopped seeing play after Ashes of Outland. Probably really good in Arena though, imagine playing a vanilla minion that can help you plan your curve.
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That DH-Legendary also has an awesome entry-animation!
New Mage Minion - Spellcoiler
Only good on curve if you cast a spell turn 1, but still good later if you can't play it on 2. Wildfire Mage should like this, it's great spell generation and curves after turn 1 Wildfire (if you are so lucky). Should be really good this expansion because lower spell pool, but might just be too generic later on.
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Dredge doesn't actually draw it though, right? I think it just puts it on the top of the deck. Kind of like Sightless Watcher but specifically from the bottom 3 cards.