Imagine worrying that you're not going to make it to the top honor rank before the end of the expansion and thinking that you had absolutely any effect on Alliance winning 😂😂
I don't think Demacia needs more mechanic for finishers, mainly since they have Rally which is arguably the strongest type of mechanic in the game. I don't know how many times I've won a game against someone who has a Lucian leveled up pretty early. I think the main issue is more of how the support synergizes with one another as they don't really help the Champions as much as they help Champions from other regions. Demacia has the best Barrier cards but there isn't really a Demacian Champion that uses Barrier other than Fiora and J4. Elites also don't really help Jarvan as much as you just want to run units that can Challenge and help Challengers.
I also think that the meta is way too fast. Grindy control decks hasn't really been THE meta for a very long time. So obviously some of the cooler finishers in the game have been too slow to come out. Cithria, Lady of Clouds, Brightsteel Formation, Tianna Crownguard, and King Jarvan III are all honestly pretty decent finishers. They end the game when they're played more than 50% of the time. However, I think they're too slow or costs too much and often when you fight decks that go that late, they have some sort of way to deal with them. Cithria the Bold and Genevieve Elmheart are honestly barely able to make it for Demacia.
The reason why J4 isn't as good as Fiora is also because of this. If J4 is 3 mana and Fiora is 6 mana then obviously J4 would be better. Also this goes for Tianna Crownguard. Why run an 8 Mana unit for Rally when you can just use a 4 Mana spell for it.
That said, I wouldn't be opposed to more finishers in Demacia. I really liked Cithria, Lady of Clouds. Mainly because you could opt for another way to build your decks around. More finisher = more decks imo and I think that's great. I think we can be certain that we'll get another couple finishers for Demacia in the next expansion.
Hearthstone which has literally been on the market for like 20 years.
Quote from the internet about Hearthstone's official release date--
"The game was released on March 11, 2014."
We do some simple math and conclude that Hearthstone is just a little bit less than 8 years old.
Look, in all seriousness, you clearly don't like Legends of Runeterra anymore. There's a simple solution to that - just stop playing it. There is literally (see what I did there? using the word properly and all?) no reason for you to try to drag other people down into hating the game along with you.
See you later!
Edit - Total side note about that Grapplr video: That Tristana/Rumble deck looks super interesting. I kinda wanna try it out.
This is something that I wanted to talk about for a while. If you look at some of the recent top tier decks that used Demacia ( Sivir/Akshan, Poppy/Zed, Pantheon) you notice that it is is mostly used as a support region, you basically use Demacia whenever you need the following cards ( Single Combat, Concerted Strike, Golden Aegis, Sharpsight, Brightsteel Protector ).
Barring a few exception Demacia's followers and champions don't seem to make it into competitive decks, the reason for that is, well at least in my opinion, is because Demacia lacks finishers unit's that can ignore chump blocker to deal damage directly to face, most of Demacia champions and followers are good at trading but they struggle with closing the game.
Regions like Shurima, Targon and Ionia tend abuse the above cards because they have access to unit's with overwhelm and elusive. If you opponent use a Cataclysm on Jarvan IV that just mean your going to lose a unit but a Cataclysm on Pantheon usually mean that you will lose the game.
Taking all of that into account it's no surprise that the Demacian champion who had the most success in the competitive scene is Fiora because she had an alternate win con, that also why Jarvan/Shen could never be as dominant as Fiora/Shen despite sharing 90% of it's card with that deck.
So how do we fix this problem? how do we give Demacia finisher? Well the obvious answer would be just give them unit's with elusive or overwhelm. But that just seem to be a lazy fix to me, plus elusive does not make sense from a lore perceptive ( Demecia is know for it's big mighty army, that is as far from stealthy as it get's ).
The first one is fearsome Cithria the Bold is one the few, good Demacian finisher having seen play in both MF/Quinn and Fiora/Shen and what does she do? she give your board fearsome plus a stat boost, plus it fits from lore perspective big armies are fearsome and let's no forget about the anti-mage secret police that kingdom have.
The other mechanic that comes to mind is the very underused give unit "can't block," Demacia is know for petricite a substance that nullify magic, mageseekers use it to restrain mages preventing them from defending themselves similar to how "can't block " prevent your opponent from using his unit's to defend his nexus.
Anyway this post ended up being longer than expected, so what do you guys think?
In what way doesn't it work? It should be fairly easy to complete the questline and there are various other synergies as well.
If you mean the deck is relatively weak compared to meta decks, then I agree, but the first paragraph of the guide already mentions that.
I've looked at several other decks that people build around Rise to the Occasion and they all came to a point where the way to improve the deck was to drop the questline. I wanted to see what would happen if you go all in on the questline by maximizing the chance of completing it by turn 5. I think this deck succeeds in that goal, but the outcome of the experiment is that the quest reward often isn't enough to carry you to victory with an almost empty hand and 1-drops as top-decks.
"But, over the past few months I’ve seen most of his posts come out quite differently. Much less arrogant and more engaging. During this time I’ve seen other people on the forum remain caustic towards Nifty"
His main posts (like the one above) - you are probably right about those. If I had seen this thread without any previous context, I would probably not think too badly of it. But Nifty doesn't just make main posts - and when he responds to other people's posts, he's still pretty caustic. He also rarely actually interacts with the ideas other people bring up, but instead just keeps repeating his same ideas, as though he's incredulous that other people don't agree with him.
(To Nifty - sorry to discuss you in third-person tone. Feel free to respond to this, if you like.)
The game is far from dead. And the thing Grapplr did in that video was literally a joke based on a single game error, probably in response to comments very similar to what Nifty is doing here.
And incidentally, it's not harmless to make a thread with this kind of theme - if enough people start proclaiming loudly enough that a game is dead, then potential new players might hear that and decide not to even try it, because no one wants to be in a dead game. In other words, regardless of the actual state of the game, if enough people start claiming it's dead, it becomes a self-fulfilling proclamation.
I’m currently having fun with a Viego/Atakahn, Shadow Isle / Noxus deck. It’s mainly field semi-tank units and cover them with removal, and wait for Atakahn to arrive
Hearthstone which has literally been on the market for like 20 years.
Quote from the internet about Hearthstone's official release date--
"The game was released on March 11, 2014."
We do some simple math and conclude that Hearthstone is just a little bit less than 8 years old.
Look, in all seriousness, you clearly don't like Legends of Runeterra anymore. There's a simple solution to that - just stop playing it. There is literally (see what I did there? using the word properly and all?) no reason for you to try to drag other people down into hating the game along with you.
See you later!
Edit - Total side note about that Grapplr video: That Tristana/Rumble deck looks super interesting. I kinda wanna try it out.
I wouldn’t be so quick to boot Nifty out of the forum just yet. We all know that in the past Nifty has been a bit caustic. It a fact, I’m sorry if it seems rude.
But, over the past few months I’ve seen most of his posts come out quite differently. Much less arrogant and more engaging. During this tim I’ve seen other people on the forum remain caustic towards Nifty, which I get. Sometimes it’s hard to see people change.
Now this post has nothing to do with LoR, but neither have a lot of posts that have been spat out there. I would just caution people not to throw blame quickly
I'm currently enjoying Kindred's buff quite a bit. I built a deck that was based around Undying resummoning and Sion level up but since Sion got nerfed I've built the deck less about Sion and more about Kindred and honestly I appreciate the Kindred buff a lot more now. It can now get tutored with Gluttony which is a lot nicer and it being 4 mana allows a curve into Viego so much more naturally. That said, Undying decks not drawing Undying early on still hurts just as usual.
I really like it when your opponent focus all their removal on either Riven or Vi only to get smacked in the face with 10+ power Ballistic Bot with either elusive or overwhelm.
Yeah, I agree. If I didn´t read your comment, I wouldn´t know that there are two skins in shop, since I pretty much ignore the "new" shop button aswell. It wouldn´t be bad to have some reminder, here or in game, that new portraits are available.
Frustration with Iceborn Poros aside, I am enjoying the current meta, I don't really face the same decks too many times on ladder which is always nice, my favorite deck at the moment are landmark midrange and darkness control.
Outside of Runeterra I mostly play single player games right now I just finished the first Ori game and started the sequel.
Graplr Confirms Dead Game?
I think it was this one. If not that exact one, it was very similar to that one.
The Alliance Win the Battle for Alterac Valley! Diamond Card and More Stats to Arrive Later
Imagine worrying that you're not going to make it to the top honor rank before the end of the expansion and thinking that you had absolutely any effect on Alliance winning 😂😂
The Demacia Problem
I don't think Demacia needs more mechanic for finishers, mainly since they have Rally which is arguably the strongest type of mechanic in the game. I don't know how many times I've won a game against someone who has a Lucian leveled up pretty early. I think the main issue is more of how the support synergizes with one another as they don't really help the Champions as much as they help Champions from other regions. Demacia has the best Barrier cards but there isn't really a Demacian Champion that uses Barrier other than Fiora and J4. Elites also don't really help Jarvan as much as you just want to run units that can Challenge and help Challengers.
I also think that the meta is way too fast. Grindy control decks hasn't really been THE meta for a very long time. So obviously some of the cooler finishers in the game have been too slow to come out. Cithria, Lady of Clouds, Brightsteel Formation, Tianna Crownguard, and King Jarvan III are all honestly pretty decent finishers. They end the game when they're played more than 50% of the time. However, I think they're too slow or costs too much and often when you fight decks that go that late, they have some sort of way to deal with them. Cithria the Bold and Genevieve Elmheart are honestly barely able to make it for Demacia.
The reason why J4 isn't as good as Fiora is also because of this. If J4 is 3 mana and Fiora is 6 mana then obviously J4 would be better. Also this goes for Tianna Crownguard. Why run an 8 Mana unit for Rally when you can just use a 4 Mana spell for it.
That said, I wouldn't be opposed to more finishers in Demacia. I really liked Cithria, Lady of Clouds. Mainly because you could opt for another way to build your decks around. More finisher = more decks imo and I think that's great. I think we can be certain that we'll get another couple finishers for Demacia in the next expansion.
What are you guys enjoying presently?
Jayce Lux is my fav deck
Graplr Confirms Dead Game?
Can i have the tristana rumble deck
The Demacia Problem
This is something that I wanted to talk about for a while. If you look at some of the recent top tier decks that used Demacia ( Sivir/Akshan, Poppy/Zed, Pantheon) you notice that it is is mostly used as a support region, you basically use Demacia whenever you need the following cards ( Single Combat, Concerted Strike, Golden Aegis, Sharpsight, Brightsteel Protector ).
Barring a few exception Demacia's followers and champions don't seem to make it into competitive decks, the reason for that is, well at least in my opinion, is because Demacia lacks finishers unit's that can ignore chump blocker to deal damage directly to face, most of Demacia champions and followers are good at trading but they struggle with closing the game.
Regions like Shurima, Targon and Ionia tend abuse the above cards because they have access to unit's with overwhelm and elusive. If you opponent use a Cataclysm on Jarvan IV that just mean your going to lose a unit but a Cataclysm on Pantheon usually mean that you will lose the game.
Taking all of that into account it's no surprise that the Demacian champion who had the most success in the competitive scene is Fiora because she had an alternate win con, that also why Jarvan/Shen could never be as dominant as Fiora/Shen despite sharing 90% of it's card with that deck.
So how do we fix this problem? how do we give Demacia finisher? Well the obvious answer would be just give them unit's with elusive or overwhelm. But that just seem to be a lazy fix to me, plus elusive does not make sense from a lore perceptive ( Demecia is know for it's big mighty army, that is as far from stealthy as it get's ).
The first one is fearsome Cithria the Bold is one the few, good Demacian finisher having seen play in both MF/Quinn and Fiora/Shen and what does she do? she give your board fearsome plus a stat boost, plus it fits from lore perspective big armies are fearsome and let's no forget about the anti-mage secret police that kingdom have.
The other mechanic that comes to mind is the very underused give unit "can't block," Demacia is know for petricite a substance that nullify magic, mageseekers use it to restrain mages preventing them from defending themselves similar to how "can't block " prevent your opponent from using his unit's to defend his nexus.
Anyway this post ended up being longer than expected, so what do you guys think?
"Cube" Demon Hunter
Looks so cool!! Gonna test it tonight
Gonk Plays in the Park
Blizzard hire this guy
Communist Paladin
In what way doesn't it work? It should be fairly easy to complete the questline and there are various other synergies as well.
If you mean the deck is relatively weak compared to meta decks, then I agree, but the first paragraph of the guide already mentions that.
I've looked at several other decks that people build around Rise to the Occasion and they all came to a point where the way to improve the deck was to drop the questline. I wanted to see what would happen if you go all in on the questline by maximizing the chance of completing it by turn 5. I think this deck succeeds in that goal, but the outcome of the experiment is that the quest reward often isn't enough to carry you to victory with an almost empty hand and 1-drops as top-decks.
Pokeniner's Custom Monk Class - Hearthstone Fan Community Spotlight
More card drawn and mana cheat, I am sick of that.
Graplr Confirms Dead Game?
"But, over the past few months I’ve seen most of his posts come out quite differently. Much less arrogant and more engaging. During this time I’ve seen other people on the forum remain caustic towards Nifty"
His main posts (like the one above) - you are probably right about those. If I had seen this thread without any previous context, I would probably not think too badly of it. But Nifty doesn't just make main posts - and when he responds to other people's posts, he's still pretty caustic. He also rarely actually interacts with the ideas other people bring up, but instead just keeps repeating his same ideas, as though he's incredulous that other people don't agree with him.
(To Nifty - sorry to discuss you in third-person tone. Feel free to respond to this, if you like.)
The game is far from dead. And the thing Grapplr did in that video was literally a joke based on a single game error, probably in response to comments very similar to what Nifty is doing here.
And incidentally, it's not harmless to make a thread with this kind of theme - if enough people start proclaiming loudly enough that a game is dead, then potential new players might hear that and decide not to even try it, because no one wants to be in a dead game. In other words, regardless of the actual state of the game, if enough people start claiming it's dead, it becomes a self-fulfilling proclamation.
What are you guys enjoying presently?
I’m currently having fun with a Viego/Atakahn, Shadow Isle / Noxus deck. It’s mainly field semi-tank units and cover them with removal, and wait for Atakahn to arrive
Graplr Confirms Dead Game?
I wouldn’t be so quick to boot Nifty out of the forum just yet. We all know that in the past Nifty has been a bit caustic. It a fact, I’m sorry if it seems rude.
But, over the past few months I’ve seen most of his posts come out quite differently. Much less arrogant and more engaging. During this tim I’ve seen other people on the forum remain caustic towards Nifty, which I get. Sometimes it’s hard to see people change.
Now this post has nothing to do with LoR, but neither have a lot of posts that have been spat out there. I would just caution people not to throw blame quickly
What are you guys enjoying presently?
no problem it happens with the best of us XD, atleast now you know.
Communist Paladin
Obviously. It's communist! Just look at how equal all the cards are!
🤣
Hearthstone's Next Major Patch Brings New Mercenaries, Zones, Bounties, and More to the Tavern on January 25
This should bring new pack types, otherwise it will be enormously hard to acquire coins for the new mercs.
What are you guys enjoying presently?
LMAO. Aight that makes sense why I'm only summoning Camavorian Dragons.
What are you guys enjoying presently?
Nvm Gluttony indeed only summons followers I maybe should read cards before explaining them :)
So no sacrifizing the undying to gluttony won't summon Kindred. The Vaults of Helia however work well
What are you guys enjoying presently?
but gluttony only summons followers right? wont it just well... not work with kindred?
What are you guys enjoying presently?
I'm currently enjoying Kindred's buff quite a bit. I built a deck that was based around Undying resummoning and Sion level up but since Sion got nerfed I've built the deck less about Sion and more about Kindred and honestly I appreciate the Kindred buff a lot more now. It can now get tutored with Gluttony which is a lot nicer and it being 4 mana allows a curve into Viego so much more naturally. That said, Undying decks not drawing Undying early on still hurts just as usual.
What are you guys enjoying presently?
Riven/Vi is very fun.
I really like it when your opponent focus all their removal on either Riven or Vi only to get smacked in the face with 10+ power Ballistic Bot with either elusive or overwhelm.
New Year, New Nozdormu Day - Speedy Tidings and Decks for the Beginning of 2022
Yeah, I agree. If I didn´t read your comment, I wouldn´t know that there are two skins in shop, since I pretty much ignore the "new" shop button aswell. It wouldn´t be bad to have some reminder, here or in game, that new portraits are available.
Communist Paladin
I made this acc just to say that this deck doesn't work.
What are you guys enjoying presently?
From my side: I just stack buffs on augment units with my Riven Vi list until they oneshot the enemy nexus.
I know that's not really "subtile" but it works and made me rank up in no time.
What are you guys enjoying presently?
Frustration with Iceborn Poros aside, I am enjoying the current meta, I don't really face the same decks too many times on ladder which is always nice, my favorite deck at the moment are landmark midrange and darkness control.
Outside of Runeterra I mostly play single player games right now I just finished the first Ori game and started the sequel.