All Comments

Yes, one in ten packs is the minimum.

Yes they did. I can't provide you with a link, but a question arose about nerfed cards and if anything was going to prevent people from exploiting the protection to farm lots of dust from nerfed cards, and they clarified this there.

Yes, a minimum of 1 epic within 10 packs.

A deck using this would be similar to a Lady in White deck, but because the Hero Power effect only happens at the start of your turn, the opponent would be able to react to it by damaging the minion, and it couldn't be used to OTK someone. Should it cost 0 or is 1 good enough? 

Quote From OldManSanns

I like where both your heads are at on this.   Specifically, I would recommend:

• Changing Avalanche to either 4 damage or to fast speed.  I spent a lot of time trying this month to make this card work, and even with a glut of P&Z / Noxus burn decks and Demacia bannerman decks it just stinks.  The burn decks will always open attack, the bannerman decks will mostly survive it, and if there's a Crimson Disciple on-board you'll probably lose as much health as you prevent.  It's just insane how much better Withering Wail is: for 1 more mana, the damage is fast-speed limited to your opponent's board and you heal.  
• Either buff Counterfeit Copies to shuffle more copies or make it guaranteed to put one on/near the top.  I know what you're thinking--that's a P&Z card, not a Frejlord--but its intended to be part of the Elnuk package.  Granted nobody wants a return to pre-nerf Elnuk madness, but it should be possible to build a Frejlord/P&Z deck that can contest a bannerman deck on turn 5 with some consistency.
• Remove the "if" clause on Poro Herder--he just always tutors you 2 poros.  Maybe also make Poro Snax add a random poro to hand?  Basically: poros should be an easily slottable package comparable to spiders in SI, Eye of the Dragon + spells in Ionia, or aggro / Can't Block in Noxus.
• Reduce the cost of She Who Wanders--maybe a 8 mana 8/8?  She's suppose to be a stabilization tool circa The Ruination, but whereas SI can bank mana and heal/stall until Ruination on 6, its nearly impossible for Frejlord to survive until 10 without already winning board anyways.

Agree with all your changes except the Counterfeit one.
There are other applications for this card outside the Elnuk combo.
i've been running Counterfeit Copies in a Purrsuit of Perfection + Heimerdinger deck and it works very well as it is.

yeah I will pass on that :)

Quote From Alfi

Quote From Ikaran

Its shame that missing duplicate rule seems to be disabled, if it would be still on it would guarantee at least 260 dust/pack.

It is not disabled. But it will not work on card you already owned. So if you for example have two Crimson Sigil Runners and you dust them, the game knows, that you owned them and hence they are not missing, ergo they will not be in the next pack. 

LOL can you imagine if the game literally couldn't ever give you a duplicate?  That would mean after ~15 packs from a particular expansion, you'd have all ~50 commons and then the game would have to resort to giving you only better cards (at which point you'd soon be collecting epics and legendaries exclusively), or you would just be opening packs with a single (if any) card in them.

Feedback for those added since the last time I did it:

I like where both your heads are at on this.   Specifically, I would recommend:

• Changing Avalanche to either 4 damage or to fast speed.  I spent a lot of time trying this month to make this card work, and even with a glut of P&Z / Noxus burn decks and Demacia bannerman decks it just stinks.  The burn decks will always open attack, the bannerman decks will mostly survive it, and if there's a Crimson Disciple on-board you'll probably lose as much health as you prevent.  It's just insane how much better Withering Wail is: for 1 more mana, the damage is fast-speed limited to your opponent's board and you heal.  
• Either buff Counterfeit Copies to shuffle more copies or make it guaranteed to put one on/near the top.  I know what you're thinking--that's a P&Z card, not a Frejlord--but its intended to be part of the Elnuk package.  Granted nobody wants a return to pre-nerf Elnuk madness, but it should be possible to build a Frejlord/P&Z deck that can contest a bannerman deck on turn 5 with some consistency.
• Remove the "if" clause on Poro Herder--he just always tutors you 2 poros.  Maybe also make Poro Snax add a random poro to hand?  Basically: poros should be an easily slottable package comparable to spiders in SI, Eye of the Dragon + spells in Ionia, or aggro / Can't Block in Noxus.
• Reduce the cost of She Who Wanders--maybe a 8 mana 8/8?  She's suppose to be a stabilization tool circa The Ruination, but whereas SI can bank mana and heal/stall until Ruination on 6, its nearly impossible for Frejlord to survive until 10 without already winning board anyways.

Feedback regarding my ideas has been a little all over the place, in regards to what people prefer. With that in mind, I came up with something else lol

Edwin VanCleef will have his revolution, and the Alliance will tremble before the might of the Common people!

If you prefer an old idea from Page 1, just let me know :)

Haha, good to know, thanks! I had noticed some problems with it, but didn't know how to resolve them.

$15 dollars for golden classic packs...hmm

You know what blizz? had you offered up some lets say 15 AoO packs at that price, that $15 in my pocket would've been yours.

As it stands, the only other good reason to take up this offer is for the higher dust ratio per pack (about a minimum of 300 dust per pack, assuming you'd dust them all) and it somewhat reaches the pity timer for a legendary.

Sorry, just cant do it

I even had mine with single quotes originally, then I looked at Metamorphosis to double-check. Good job, Blizz.

That is new information, did someone at team 5 actually confirm this?

Quote From Demonxz95

Quote From anchorm4n

Am I the only one who's irritated by the widespread use of double quotation marks ("Hero Power") instead of single ones ('Hero Power')? Even some of the veterans do this. Are there old cards where doubles were used so it's okay to do so? 

(Also: as far as I know, if your card ends with the quote of your new Hero Power, the period should be inside the quotation marks.)

Demon, that's usually your kind of business. Can you confirm or correct this? 

All the previous cards that change the Hero Power this way (Shadowform, Dinomancy, Vilefin Inquisitor, and Charged Hammer) do in fact use single quotations around the Hero Power effect.

However, the newest card to use it, Metamorphosis, does use double quotations. That may be the new norm going forward, or it may be just be Team 5 being inconsistent again. You never really know.

There are pity timers for epic cards?

No new hero skin = pass for me. Also I have all the classic cards i want / need.

Golden Nat Pagle!

I got Tirion in my last golden pack. So 15 USD is not worth it for me. Sorry Blizz :D

... who needs classic packs out there?

Quote From Hellcopter

Quote From meisterz39

A great example of this comes from Hearthstone. The Caverns Below was not a massively OP card - the win rates for the archetype were only narrowly over 50% - but it created a meta game where match-ups were super polarized. Either you were playing a deck that was good against Quest Rogue, or you weren't, and that was the deciding factor in whether or not you won, not how you played the game. Blizzard tried and failed to balance it multiple times with nerfs.

I fully agree with you but wasn't Hearthstone always this way after Naxxaramas? 

I mean, there was always this 1 way too powerfull deck warping the meta which was so much stronger then everything else that forced every other deck to either tech against it or to play counters.

Ex: Started with UTH Hunter otk, then Face Hunter, Mech Mage, Solitary Rogue, 7/7 Shaman, Demonlock, Dr. 6 Paladin, Pirate Warrior, Jade Druid, Patron Warrior, ...etc, just to name a few. 

Hearthstone has certainly had it's share of balance issues and massively OP decks, but the distinction I'm drawing here is between a card like The Caverns Below and the pre-nerf Shaman Galakrond deck.

In the former example, the deck wasn't that powerful, but was situationally powerful in a way that warped the meta game disastrously but still left room for a couple of other successful meta decks. The latter was a deck that was itself incredibly powerful. It also warped the meta game, but in a pretty different way that suppressed everything else. Both were poorly designed, but they are qualitatively different and had different impacts, and the example of Unyielding Spirit maps closer to Quest Rogue.