Or you can profit 1600 dust if you don't already have it and create it golden. -3200 to create it golden, +3200 refund, then disenchant for +1600.
NOTE: This does NOT work if you already have a normal copy. If you already have a normal copy, you'll just get 1600 free dust already. Crafting it golden and then disenchanting the golden gets you no extra dust at all.
Reviving this thread as it's about time again...
I believe you are incorrect. In past years when things move to HoF you get credited back the dust refund of the most expensive copy you own without having to disenchant any cards. So if you craft a golden legendary and already own a regular copy, when it gets sent to HoF you will get 3200 dust without DE. Then after the rotation you could DE the golden if you like, keep the regular copy, and you've profited 1600 dust from the DE. You will NOT get dust refunded for both the regular and golden copy however, only the most expensive USABLE version you have. "Usable" as in how many copies can be in a deck at the same time.
This means if you have two golden copies of a legendary being rotated to HoF, you get credit back for only one because one copy is all you can put in a deck when you build it. If you have two normal cards of any other rarity and one golden copy you get credit for the golden and one regular as two copies are the most you can use in a deck. You can of course DE any of these cards/copies after rotation to further your dust accumulation.
So in this rotation, we have heard in the leak that Prophet Velen is going HoF. In my case I have a regular copy already, but I will likely craft a golden copy as well. At the expansion release and the start of the new Hearthstone year, I will see 3200 dust hit my account as the golden copy is my most valuable usable copy. This 3200 refund cancels out the -3200 I spent to craft the golden. However, I will likely then DE the golden for +1600 profit and craft a legendary of my choice.
Investing in golden copies of rotating cards is the BEST way to invest dust in the game right before a HoF rotation IF YOU PLAN ON DUSTING AFTER THE ROTATION. If you are planning on keeping them for Wild, you are still basically getting free cards with no net profit or loss on dust. Even if you have normal copies of a card going HoF and you want a golden copy for Wild, you can still have a small net gain by crafting the golden version(s) prior to the rotation and then dusting the regular copies after they move.
Its likely going to break certain cards. I'm just worried that it would limit future designs as they will have to incorporate this into consideration.
It also generally mean that 1 health minions, specifically 1 drops on turn 1 are no longer effective against 1 of the 10 classes now. That's kinda a bummer
This card has an eh stat line, however, it does trigger a number of attacking synergies and seems like an inclusion over a neutral card like Battlemage.
A 1-mana Hero Power is something I (as well as literally the entire community of this game, and I am not exaggerating) thought would never happen. It gives them an advantage with Inspire, which is not entirely that relevant but it's neat. Other cards that affect Hero Powers can have a stronger or a weaker effect on this Hero Power due to design. Speaking of the Hero Power, the effect of "after your hero attacks" is basically better Inspire since it triggers off of the Hero Power and several class cards.
One dynamic of the mechanic is that the class doesn't appear to have access to healing (at least, not at the moment), so watching your Health as you attack will be more important here, much like Rogue.
I was watching Kibler after this came out and to every question he was like "You guys talk about it all you want, I am waiting to discuss it until tomorrow after the stream." So yeah, NDA "cannot confirm nor deny" type of talk. The main thing I'm wondering now though... Is there more that wasn't in the article?! A tournament mode perhaps?!?! We shall see tomorrow.
But seriously, the introduction of one new class opens the gates to a possible 11th, or even 12th class in the future. Even if they have plans to add a Monk, and maybe even an actual Death Knight class in the future, they will likely only do one a year. At most one an expansion, but more likely one a year.
Even just adding one is going to require a slight retooling of the UI if you think about it. Even if it's just making a list of the classes instead of the 9 class grid for things like deck building, or even for deck slots themselves, something has to be changed to accommodate the 10th class. My guess is that if this Demon Hunter class is real they'll make the class selection into a list that you can scroll through rather than a grid. Same potentially for deck slots, but maybe not.
Also, maybe we'll get more deck slots? Maybe another 9 if they stay with the grid look for deck slots. I could speculate all night on various aspects of the leak, but in 14 hours we'll have the real truth from Blizzard directly so I'm good. Can't wait to see Kibler play a DH vs Priest match on stream!
It looks like Demon Hunters are going to be synergizing with cards that gain power or trigger effects based on whether or not they have attacked this turn, which plays well into their Hero Power design. With it only requiring 1 mana, we'll likely be making frequent use out of attacking with our hero.
Are both cards for Demon Hunter that appear in their Basic set and highlight the hero attack mechanic. We've also got two other basic cards that buff your Attack.
I for one am excited to see hero attacks coming to a class as a core mechanic. It also looks like they've got weapons (Flamereaper) which is awesome to see. It would have been a crime to put in Demon Hunters without weapons.
What do y'all think about this being a core class mechanic?
There's no confirmation yet that the new dhunter cards are from the next expansion, is there? Since there's 3 epics, I naturally assumed its going to be part of the classic set. After all, the class got to have an evergreen classic set.
The one mana hp going to be a problem at some point, I'm sure.
I don't get people saying that demon hunter won't be playable in wild because of all the cards released in hearthstone's history. It's not like every card in wild is being played. Wild is pretty much just standard with harder to change meta. If the new cards can compare with the wild meta, then it will be viable.
This brings up the question of if Genn will work with this. I hope Team 5 would add support and make the hp 0 or something, but as is, I doubt it will.
Also, if this was fake it would ruin everyone's hype and make the next expansion less appealing, and you know that blizzard creates hype so that they can get closer to your wallet. If only polygon didn't fuck it up.
I thought dhunters was supposed to be weak to draw.
They specifically said that one of demon hunter's strengths is card draw. Their weakness is card generation. No discover effects, no thoughtsteals, stuff like that.
Oh, my mistake.
But still, if they can draw then its not really a weakness of 'running out of resources' right? I dont remember fatiguing zoolock very much
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Reviving this thread as it's about time again...
I believe you are incorrect. In past years when things move to HoF you get credited back the dust refund of the most expensive copy you own without having to disenchant any cards. So if you craft a golden legendary and already own a regular copy, when it gets sent to HoF you will get 3200 dust without DE. Then after the rotation you could DE the golden if you like, keep the regular copy, and you've profited 1600 dust from the DE. You will NOT get dust refunded for both the regular and golden copy however, only the most expensive USABLE version you have. "Usable" as in how many copies can be in a deck at the same time.
This means if you have two golden copies of a legendary being rotated to HoF, you get credit back for only one because one copy is all you can put in a deck when you build it. If you have two normal cards of any other rarity and one golden copy you get credit for the golden and one regular as two copies are the most you can use in a deck. You can of course DE any of these cards/copies after rotation to further your dust accumulation.
So in this rotation, we have heard in the leak that Prophet Velen is going HoF. In my case I have a regular copy already, but I will likely craft a golden copy as well. At the expansion release and the start of the new Hearthstone year, I will see 3200 dust hit my account as the golden copy is my most valuable usable copy. This 3200 refund cancels out the -3200 I spent to craft the golden. However, I will likely then DE the golden for +1600 profit and craft a legendary of my choice.
Investing in golden copies of rotating cards is the BEST way to invest dust in the game right before a HoF rotation IF YOU PLAN ON DUSTING AFTER THE ROTATION. If you are planning on keeping them for Wild, you are still basically getting free cards with no net profit or loss on dust. Even if you have normal copies of a card going HoF and you want a golden copy for Wild, you can still have a small net gain by crafting the golden version(s) prior to the rotation and then dusting the regular copies after they move.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
Debatable. Wild Meta is more diverse but also plagued with some very broken decks like Cubelock, Jade Druid, Quest Mage and Reno variants.
The Demon Hunter Hero Power - +1 Attack to Hero for 1 Mana
Wait, does that mean Even DH will never exist? Like, Genn Greymane is absolutely useless in this Class, right?
Also, now that I think about it... What will the upgraded HP be? 1 Mana gain 2 Attack could be pretty Aggro, especially in a Baku Deck.
New Demon Hunter Minion - Shadowhoof Slayer
Its an exclusive dhunter Waterboy for 1 mana. Its health is probably why this is not going to see much play, in my opinion.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
My guess is that they'll just change it so it will only target your demons: in this way, both Lord Jaraxxus and Demon Hunter's Demons will be spared.
The Demon Hunter Hero Power - +1 Attack to Hero for 1 Mana
Its likely going to break certain cards. I'm just worried that it would limit future designs as they will have to incorporate this into consideration.
It also generally mean that 1 health minions, specifically 1 drops on turn 1 are no longer effective against 1 of the 10 classes now. That's kinda a bummer
Shadowhoof Slayer
This card has an eh stat line, however, it does trigger a number of attacking synergies and seems like an inclusion over a neutral card like Battlemage.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
I’m guessing they’re trying to move towards Priest using more card generation (thoughtsteal type cards) rather than card draw
The Demon Hunter Hero Power - +1 Attack to Hero for 1 Mana
I like it.
A 1-mana Hero Power is something I (as well as literally the entire community of this game, and I am not exaggerating) thought would never happen. It gives them an advantage with Inspire, which is not entirely that relevant but it's neat. Other cards that affect Hero Powers can have a stronger or a weaker effect on this Hero Power due to design. Speaking of the Hero Power, the effect of "after your hero attacks" is basically better Inspire since it triggers off of the Hero Power and several class cards.
One dynamic of the mechanic is that the class doesn't appear to have access to healing (at least, not at the moment), so watching your Health as you attack will be more important here, much like Rogue.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
I was watching Kibler after this came out and to every question he was like "You guys talk about it all you want, I am waiting to discuss it until tomorrow after the stream." So yeah, NDA "cannot confirm nor deny" type of talk. The main thing I'm wondering now though... Is there more that wasn't in the article?! A tournament mode perhaps?!?! We shall see tomorrow.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
You misspelled Kobolds and Catacombs, which is the set Lesser Pearl Spellstone came out in.
But seriously, the introduction of one new class opens the gates to a possible 11th, or even 12th class in the future. Even if they have plans to add a Monk, and maybe even an actual Death Knight class in the future, they will likely only do one a year. At most one an expansion, but more likely one a year.
Even just adding one is going to require a slight retooling of the UI if you think about it. Even if it's just making a list of the classes instead of the 9 class grid for things like deck building, or even for deck slots themselves, something has to be changed to accommodate the 10th class. My guess is that if this Demon Hunter class is real they'll make the class selection into a list that you can scroll through rather than a grid. Same potentially for deck slots, but maybe not.
Also, maybe we'll get more deck slots? Maybe another 9 if they stay with the grid look for deck slots. I could speculate all night on various aspects of the leak, but in 14 hours we'll have the real truth from Blizzard directly so I'm good. Can't wait to see Kibler play a DH vs Priest match on stream!
The Demon Hunter Hero Power - +1 Attack to Hero for 1 Mana
It looks like Demon Hunters are going to be synergizing with cards that gain power or trigger effects based on whether or not they have attacked this turn, which plays well into their Hero Power design. With it only requiring 1 mana, we'll likely be making frequent use out of attacking with our hero.
Are both cards for Demon Hunter that appear in their Basic set and highlight the hero attack mechanic. We've also got two other basic cards that buff your Attack.
I for one am excited to see hero attacks coming to a class as a core mechanic. It also looks like they've got weapons (Flamereaper) which is awesome to see. It would have been a crime to put in Demon Hunters without weapons.
What do y'all think about this being a core class mechanic?
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Hearthstone is getting a 10th class!
Blizzard said for years they were going to stick to 9 classes but things have changed with the release of Ashes of Outland.
New Demon Hunter Spell - Feast of Souls
There is quite a fair amount of tokens and swarming for this to be useful.
Particularly in use with Coordinated Strike and Command the Illidari.
New Demon Hunter Minion - Battlefiend
Poor Blazing Battlemage, already powercrept.
New Demon Hunter Spell - Feast of Souls
Command the Illidari + Wrathscale Naga + Feast of Souls = 10 mana, 18 damage, potential board clear, draw 6 cards combo. Insane.
I imagine there's going to be some broken Mecha'thun, Hakkar, the Soulflayer, or King Togwaggle shenanigans in Wild in the future with the amount of card draw this class has.
Card Design Conversation - Demons VS Priests
All 12 of the non-Basic cards feature a previously unseen watermark, presumably the one for the upcoming expansion.
As far as I can tell, we haven't seen any of their Classic cards yet, which is very exciting.
Command the Illidari
Holy shit, I just noticed that this is Swarm of Locusts with one less mana.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
In my opinion, odd demon hunter could be pretty strong, assuming that the upgraded hero power gives +2 Attack.
Card Design Conversation - Demons VS Priests
There's no confirmation yet that the new dhunter cards are from the next expansion, is there? Since there's 3 epics, I naturally assumed its going to be part of the classic set. After all, the class got to have an evergreen classic set.
The one mana hp going to be a problem at some point, I'm sure.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
I don't get people saying that demon hunter won't be playable in wild because of all the cards released in hearthstone's history. It's not like every card in wild is being played. Wild is pretty much just standard with harder to change meta. If the new cards can compare with the wild meta, then it will be viable.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
This brings up the question of if Genn will work with this. I hope Team 5 would add support and make the hp 0 or something, but as is, I doubt it will.
Ashes of Outland is Hearthstone's Next Expansion - New Demon Hunter Class, Priest Getting Overhaul, See the Demon Hunter Cards
Also, if this was fake it would ruin everyone's hype and make the next expansion less appealing, and you know that blizzard creates hype so that they can get closer to your wallet. If only polygon didn't fuck it up.
New Demon Hunter Spell - Feast of Souls
Oh, my mistake.
But still, if they can draw then its not really a weakness of 'running out of resources' right? I dont remember fatiguing zoolock very much