So I wanted to see real quick if the archetype is as bad as all the complaints make it seem.

The answer is no its still great it's not the aggro monster it used to be and that's good because it's a combo deck.

So I just teched in shifting sands this is removal, and levels Azir, and provides aggro/blockers to devalue counter swings. 

Great card not using it for this archetype is wrong, and the second thing is chimera it devalues counter swings and prevents you from getting raced down.

So yeah Azir Irelia still a great combo deck as long as you aren't a meta slave and push it a bit into the sustained midrange space.

So quick run down, cycling referring to every time a card draws back into itself, whether it is a creature or spell.

Tutoring is when a card gives you a specific card you are looking for.

With that let's take a look at Ferros Financier and how tutoring itself is the problem more so than bandlewood specifically. Like you can run Lux Heimer instead of Heimer Jayce and you dont even miss bandle.

1. It can grab ruination (board clear)

2. It can grab reckoning (board clear)

3. It can grab "mega avalanche" (board clear)

4. It can grab progress day (oh my 2 mana tutor just drew me 3 how fun and balanced

5.  It can grab shock blast (board clear/burn)

6. It can grab glorious revolution (luuuulz this one's for you guys because tutoring for it is 100 times better than main decking because it's a free card) and you get the blocker

7. It can grab summon two 3/3s and summon two 3/2s that buff on attack, and summon two 4/4 s (hey my two mana card gave me massive free board presence)

8. It can grab single target removal like harpoon, it can basically do anything

 All of this for two mana, now how is this different from targon, A you have to spend 3 mana, and invoke cards are actually kinda bad now without Asol to make them free. 

Also having a free blocker on 2 is game changing against aggro trust me, it's why people hate love on telescope on conchologist and Shadow dude, it's like yes you get a free card, aaaaand you answer your opponents aggro play aaaaand you get to tutor what you want.

All of this leads to the fact that tutors aren't rng so much as they are a consistently game winning nuisance that is spreading across the game region by region and I think it's not stopping anytime soon.

I was trick or treating and noticed that aposteljoe did not seem to have his Forum title resolving. It just says COMMENT_COUNT_450_HS which doesn't seem like a proper Forum title.

I’m just missing sneed, Eudora and the other legendary from the last realize that I don’t feel Are essential as I play currently LK/Varden/Tavish + Geddon/Diablo/Cairne.

leveling up : beast team, Vol’Jin/Séline , Ragnaros, Anduin, Jaïna, Grull and Sylvanas In whom I see potential.

i just wonder if you guy think it’s a smart move . I do this essentially because I obtain a massive amount of coins for my already max out Mercenaries ( Antonidas, Tavish, LK, Cairne, Varden and Geddon) 

I play actually between 6800 and 7200 in Asian server. 

Though I can only name 2 mercs that do extra damage based on race, (off the top of my head), being able to prep for the possible trash fights can save some time in a bounty.

there are a couple of databases with the base info for the trash characters, but I can't find any info on which bounties they usually appear on. and they all show the level 1-30 info.

does anyone know what the system is for possible trash fight for a certain bounty?

(also, the 2 I can remember that deal specialized damage aregruul, Kurtrus Ashfallen

I think there was one that I can't remember the name of)

if there are more I can't think of, please name them

https://youtu.be/_TWFZuq3UCQ

Basically just says all the things I was saying months ago.

How infinite cycling limits deck variety, and how having decks filled with independent value generators limits decks identity

Gives the example that one of the best Jayce decks was obviously gonna be in bandle, I knew that we all knew that.

However, with the release of Jayce I've actually become hopeful that Riot will release Champs and cards that are on par value wise.

Shurima needs more landmark value, cards like the 3/1 that gives you dirt is sooooo bad into cycles as to essentially be -1 card in practice.

Ionia and Freijord need more control tools to remain viable.

Shadow is probably fine , just due to the event love they've gotten they have a lot of spell variety, I also think targon is fine, and so is Demacia and Noxious for what they do.

So again it's not that Bandle city is objectively op and better than everyone else, it's that they are as good if not better in every single style of deck ever imagined.

I know we all like to argue here about game design, card balance, etc, but can we all agree that the people who write and voice the characters in the game are super talented, creative and awesome? I always laugh at some lines, no matter how often I've heard them. I particularly enjoy Tavish's "My beard has FLEAS scarier than you!" and literally every single one of Squeamlish's lines from the Rise of Shadows adventure.

Sure, we've all hated sitting there listening to "Hey loser! ... Wasn't me!" over and over again, but even then it's still pretty funny.

Kudos to Hearthstone's creative writers and actors! I hope some of them see this post.

Gonna keep it real short, good news we get more Lux support, bad news they added more cycling at 2 mana.

We are basically in a situation where every single competitive archetype will need to have 2 and 3 mana cycling solutions or be soooo fast and agressive as to not care.

So it doesn't really matter if your 2/2 steals a card from your opponent, generated a 6 mana spell, creates more creatures, or invokes as long as you're trading on board and not loosing cards.

I kinda hate this from a long term growth perspective...like is Ionia gonna start getting 2/2's that generate cheap spells for Lee Sin oh wait they have Zoe and that still isn't good enough because they need like 10 more cards that do the same thing.

If I sound salty it's because I love this game, I love the Champs, I love the turn passing, I love the game flow...and infinite cycling destroys all of that.

It gets to the point where leveling Champs as part of a "quest" doesn't matter only wincons matter and infinite card advantage.

TLDR: It's good Jayce fixed spell control and now there is finally a solid tier 2 answer to all the hyper agressive decks

Legends of Runterra used to be a game defined by just playing your hard to remove Champs and swinging.

Zed into poppy, gangplak into Sejuani, midrange stuff into an Asol or a Sion.

But finally it does feel like the blindly develop recipe has been flipped on its head a bit. Like in terms of winrates aggro will always be top of the tier lists because it easier to grind ladder and for streamers to win consecutively to hit masters...but when decks are viewed on a optimal play scale it gets a lot more complicated.

For example a case study: 

Opponent plays Zed after banking mana followed by a poppy, I play my factory into a shock blast, they counter with twin to save 1 thing, but I can still potentially mystic or Thermo or whatever thanks to factory.

It used to be no matter what you did you would loose this play scenario 75% of the time and its why Zed Poppy was the number 1 deck.

Now it's not as cut and dry, and reactive players can finally "play the game" on an even scale without having to rely on cycling tools and a parade of chump blockers...I don't like playing that way because it's no different than blindly developing as aggro.

In summary they didn't kill any of the brain dead auto win stuff, but shook things up enough so mtg players can actually enjoy the game  and do a little bit of that "no you" play style if they want to.

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I already suspect there are gonna be some players that are salty that aggro advantage has gone from auto win, to just winning more and thats too damn bad. This expansion was absolutely necessary for the long term health and viability of the game on a competitive scale and it should make future tournaments a lot more fun and unpredictable to watch.

I've been trying to build an actually good Kindred deck since his release and have probably failed a dozen or so times.

But man I gotta say this deck is spicey, combining the strengths of veigar Senna, with undying vulnerable decks to create something will actually see Kindred getting to a 9/9 guaranteed.

So hard mull for like undying and veigard usually, pirate girl is nice on 2 a defensive counter swing play and ship Kind of works similarly on turn 4 but you drag with undying.

Really good, I think MOG would get a kick out of this one.

That sounds....questionable. Choosing between Alliance and Horde based on two legendaries who are most likely quite different in terms of powerlevel will most likely skew the outcome. Also not a fan of getting a Golden Legendary unless we also get to DE it (which would be awesome, but I doubt it's going to happen).

New Keyword sounds interesting and way better than Overkill.

Hero cards were a given, although I wonder what they'll do with Warlock now that Tamsin is dead (at least for now)

I bought all the bundles and bought the intro bundles after launch also. I’ve opened 170 + packs and have all the toons except 4. I could craft them with coins but what for?

I didn’t watch any of the pre-launch stuff and just dove right in.  After leveling 15 toons to 10 and going through most of the barrens content before I got bored I think the mode is pretty simplistic to play and doesn’t require much thought for a whale. You just outlevel the content and steamroll it

This mode will be bot fodder for f2p players because it’s very repetitive. 

Blizzard just took the coding from existing modes and tossed it together and voila! You have an addictive gacha with power level walls.

The higher level stuff does ramp up and you pretty much need level 2 abilities or the right toons to defeat the runs.

I average about 550-600 coins for every merc toon I have so upgrading isn’t an issue. The grind for an f2p would make me rather hit myself in the head with a hammer..

There is very little thinking when you outlevel the content and even if you didn’t there still isn’t much . 

I’ve spent the gold and upgraded the starting areas as far as I’ve gotten. The quests were a breeze to do and went quick. You do get a bit of rewards track xp so that’s a bonus. 

The best thing about the mode are the voice acting ,animations and interactions.  You get random treasures and bonuses that buff your party and the enemies as well to mix things up a bit.

I won’t bother to spend another dime on it and will just run through the quests and that’s about it. 

The mode is a welcome break to the boring state of the main game right now so that’s the biggest plus. The only way I foresee anyone really caring about this mode is if they introduce cross mode rewards that force players to engage the content. 

I foresee this getting old very quick and the rating rewards look abysmal.  

it’s pretty easy to power level new toons as they all get xp just for being in the party even if you don’t use them.

pretty much all of the battles so far have just been focus fire one enemy and burn it down, rinse  and repeat.  The mode will have to eventually support bigger parties and multiple phase matches to really have any thinking involved imo.

A welcome distraction that has potential but the gacha coins monster this is will have the community raging no doubt. This is exactly why I see it ultimately failing. The grind will be insanely boring which will just kill motivation to play, I think. The mode will end up being a whale fest mixed with tons of bots. 

We should see some time extrapolations soon based on re-running the same level content for the rewards I’d love to see just how much time 40 pack bundles save you from grinding.

Enjoy the new mode for what it’s worth. It has potential but as of right now I’d give it a 4 out of 10.

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Hi,

I am about to craft a legendary demon, and was thinking of Tickatus. That got me thinking:

1) Usually I am crafting the wrong card, so wanted to know if anybody is playing the dude?

2) On HSreplay he is performing lower than I expected, why?

3) With this big boy on the list, why distruptlock doesn't see a comeback?

Any thoughts?

Thanks for sharing :) 

So the biggest thing holding back Karma Ezreal was how combo dependent the deck was and reliant on lining up all the pieces to win.

But with Jayce he can win games on his own, and Ezreal can win games on his own, and together they super win games.

Pretty solid control package that also allows you to deny other jayce decks While removing their cycling pieces essentially for free with eye and ezreal.

The only change I'm making is Karma Jayce instead of Ezreal Jayce

Plays better into the bandlewood mirror where it's just like hey take all the time you need, my deck has infinite spell value to kill you, and you just have infinite board value which we don't really care about.

They just spam emotes the whole freaking fight and its really annoying. You can mute them, but you have to mute them every single match. Oh and God forbid they win. Then they will spam like 3+ emotes to be an extra dick about it.

Most people on the comp ladder aren't even that bad.

Just gonna repurpose this topic to discuss the meta stats for the new Jayce decks, and do a little sidebar for Swims entries.

Basically Jayce Heimer which I view to be an absolutely cracked op deck has an abysmal 50% winrate a lot of that probably has to do with the inclusion of the win more tech tribal card, when you could literally just run stress test and win more against open attacks.

Jayce Lux does better let's call it 53-55% it's basically the version Mogwai showed off...only changes I make personally to my list is I looooove progress day on Jayce Lux. Getting the burst beam plus the 3 mana discount and the draw and future discounts is big I find for mirrors, and every other matchup.

But the real interesting thing, is that swim will not run this decks at all and basically prefers solo Lux or solo Jayce with just a cycling package all the way down to shell girl on 6 and the obvious 4 mana champ inclusion I will not mention because we are all sick of her.

Finally the only Jayce list to put up real competitive numbers is this card pile here:

https://youtu.be/P0MaI51qDm4

I'm 90% certain that this deck wins in the same way go hard used to win.

Elise generates a bunch of pain in the butt bodies, and then you can just go for your slow win con, Jayce into double beam, and sure ledros too why not it basically stops heimer from ever winning.

i loving path of champions so far but does anyone know how to unlock more adventures ? i played with every piltover champion but no unlocks yet .

I just saw that I can craft Sneed for 100 coins. So I thought "No I won't craft a rare Merc". But than I searched for missing epics and Sneed was shown in the results! I checked on this site and he is marked as epic, too.

So is this a bug in my favor or is the rarity gem incorrect?

I know it was mentioned few times before, mercenaries have only race in tags and because of that we aren't sure which character is horde/alliance/neutral.

But to mess it up more, in last patch they added "Pirate" tag, which obviously isn't a race, right? Wrong! I have Mr. Smite and went to run with Lady Anacondra, I picked up +3/10 buff for elves and taurens and it didn't work for Mr. Smite (and humans buff probably doesn't work with Edwin). So Smite and Edwin belongs to mysterious Pirate race and they only look like common races. Blizzard please...

No idea if this helps make constructed  good again.... But awesome!!!

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