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I have posted in the past that MTG Arena is in a pale comparison to the table top version, which is still true, but I played it much much more and started to like it much more at the moment. Of course when I get home I'm going to go back to playing Hearthstone with the new buffs to cards but I have grown to love both games quite a bit now.

At first I found MTG Arena to be really expensive, and it still is, but the game really awards you much more than Hearthstone for playing more. Hearthstone only gets you 1 quest per day but MTG Arena can give you many rewards in one day. I have grown to really enjoy the constant wave of free packs from just playing the game. However it is extremely needed due to decks needing 4 copies of the same card and having no disenchant system in place.

I do wonder how they will handle the system when there is a new rotation of cards. Hopefully they implement a similar system to allow everyone access to certain cards for free and let people unlock new decks to add card their new collection.  Either way the new player experience on MTG Arena is a great experience and gives you a great number of cards to start you off. Hearthstone in comparison has a horrible new player experience. There is almost no way to actually make any somewhat viable deck with the tools they give you compared to Magic Arena.

After heavy use of both I have to give it to MTG Arena for new players. I've been giving an extremely biased position to Hearthstone and my endless resources and collection I have. I can honestly see Hearthstone going into a really bad place if they don't change the new player experience compared to the competition. 

However MTG Arena has a horrible meta at the moment compared to Hearthstone. Hearthstone at the current moment has the best meta compared to Duel links and MTG Arena. Once a rotation happens this might all change.

Hi everyone,

today I would like to introduce you to my mixed Dragon / Heal Paladin creation. I play this currently in Standard on twitch.tv/yusukeseru. But you can also check it out here:

Dragon Paladin Deck

Tell me, what do you think about it?

Good evening ladies and gentlefolk, 

We've been building a F2P control mage deck to try and battle our way to legend, but one consistent issue we're having is including actual game winners. We can control the board quite well, but we sometimes struggle to take advantage of the board state (unless we hit powerful cards off Messenger Raven). We recently cut Linecracker because it just didn't cut the mustard and replaced it with Power of Creation which has done good work to date, but we feel there's something missing. 

Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to propose a consistent game-changer that fulfils the following criteria:

1. Compliments our current deck and playstyle.

2. Is a rare or common (epics will be considered, but they're much harder to build on a budget).

3. Has cool art.

Budget Control Mage Decklist

Number 3 is optional, but preferable. Here's the deck in action.

It's almost impossible to go the the Forum section - tks

Game Rules:

1. User "A" chooses a Discover card and writes its Mana Cost.

Total Mana Cost: 2

Class Changed: 0 times

2. User "B" sends a Discover card you can Discover from a card above and writes total Mana Cost of his card and all the previous ones.

Total Mana Cost: 2 + 2 = 4

Class Changed: 0 times

3. The cycle continues. If User "C" wants to change a class to have more options (Here from Druid to Warrior), does it and rises the "Class Changed" count.

Total Mana Cost: 4 + 1 = 5

Class Changed: 1 time

4. Cards "from your/your opponent's hand/deck" in this thread are cards that Users above have chosen.

5. In cards that Discover multiple cards focus only on one card it could Discover.

6. Ignore abilities like "Summon it", or "If you're holding a Dragon"

5. If there are no other Discover options or cards are repeating themselves, post a custom card to make it even more exciting!

Let's start!

Total Mana Cost: 2

Class Changed: 0 times

Hello guys, im planning to buy an ipad pro 2018 for my work and of course i want to be able to play hearthstone there...

So i wanted to ask you how is the performance of hearthstone on ipad pro and if you find it satisfying!

Also one more question..., currently im an android user so i cant multitask to play hearthstone on split screen and if i want to open another app and then go back to hearthstone, it has to reaload from the beginning which is veeeery annoying...

So, is multitasking in split screen available on ipad pro ( for ex. Twitch and hearthstone)? And if no, then if i open another app and then go back to heartstone,  will it reload from the beginning or will continue from where i was? 

Really thanks for any help! Peace!

I'm thinking priest could be play X deathrattles again with double rattle passive as reward thought they may want to change it up from the old quest.

Priest: might be something like : HEAL X damage. reward: Hero power heal 3 and random enemy takes 2 damage.

Rogue might be assassinate X minions. reward: passive: kill  a minion get a coin and a random spell (from any class)

Mage, Cast 3 spells in one turn 3 times. reward: passive: all spells you draw gain twinspell

Hunter: Play X spells reward put a random hunter spell in your hand at the end of every turn.

Paladin: Play X minions with 1 attack.  Passive: All minions played gain attack equal to their health

Warrior: Play X rush minions: Passive All your minions have +1 attack and reborn.

Just guesses.

The next xpac looks amazing to me, and the patch looks like it'll add or fix a nice amount of stuff, but, but why the card art changes? Are these responses to some people complaining about succubus card images or something? They are a legit and essential warlock pet in WoW lore. I'll bet the other ones involved removing blood or something as well. I guess that's ok, but I don't see anything wrong with the way they were before either. If any art is going to get changed, it should be for those early cards like Gruul that have art of the wrong character on them in the first place.

I'm sure you guys/gals are developing more important features than this one but please, hear my call. As a Wild player, I know that I have to look over tons of cards to pick good ones and it can be time consuming. Say, what if there were a personal card-pool that removes bad cards for each class? For example, I don't want these cards to appear while building a deck:

• Emerald Hive Queen
• Goldshire Footman
• Beakered Lightning
• Shifter Zerus
• More and more...

So, is it possible to implement this sweet feature? I bet same can be applied to Standard players to save their time as well.

The following link (clicking to page 2 of the comments from the new expansion announcement) gives a Server Error (500):

https://outof.cards/hearthstone/157-new-hearthstone-expansion-revealed-saviors-of-uldum-all-revealed-cards?page=2#comments

In the presumably short and small - that's what sh-... no... - absence of a dedicated section for MtG Arena players and lovers in here, I am creating this thread as the go to place (for now) for your MtG needs.

If you want to grab a game against me and one of my half-baked, god-awful nooby decks, then feel free to see if I'm around and send me a challenge.
my Username is: 

Scorpyon#47528

At the moment I am attempting to build some sort of weird and janky Amass based Black / White deck, and another silly discard Win-With-Jace blue deck. :-P

Come join me here and there. ;-)

So with the Heist solo content i thought it would be fun to see what the best decks you managed to complete a run with was?

I'll start off with mine down here, Elder Tagwagg + Duplatransmogrifier = Well shucks this was easy.

I'm going to begin with making the assumption that there are a considerable amount of new players to Hearthstone who won't know what I'm talking about if I don't otherwise explain some HS history, so I'll start there. If you're already familiar with the history of this card, feel free to skip ahead.

Warsong Commander has a pretty significant history, though to a newer player, it probably wouldn't seem like it. That's because the current Warsong Commander is an entirely different card than that which was a crucial part in one of the most iconic decks of Hearthstone's history. In the very early days of Hearthstone, Warsong Commander looked like this:

This was actually after a very early buff to the card, in which it was given +1 Health. The issue with this card at the time was probably as obvious as it is now. This version of Warsong Commander caused games in which players had to be cautious of dealing damage to enemy Warriors, because at a certain point they would be able to play Warsong Commander, Molten Giant, Molten Giant, Youthful Brewmaster, Youthful Brewmaster, Molten Giant, Molten Giant, and often deal well over 30 damage. Keep in mind, this is during a time in the game in which giants were 10/10s and playing Warsong Commander into Boulderfist Ogre or Chillwind Yeti was among one of the strongest things you could do. So, the card was problematic. And it was rightfully nerfed, to this version:

This nerf was seen as extremely oppressive to the card, though all-in-all it was a pretty fair one. It was still obviously combo-able with Frothing Berserker and Raging Worgen to get potential lethals with Whirlwind and Inner Rage type effects, but it wasn't a very successful or popular deck; the burst the deck required just wasn't high enough. In 2014, Blackrock Mountain was released, and decks like Freeze Mage, Handlock, and fringe Dragon decks rose in popularity. Mech Mage, Oil Rogue, Face Hunter, Midrange Druid, Midrange Paladin, and Zoo Warlock were among the top tiered decks. From early on, it was apparent that what would become known as Patron Warrior would rise in popularity: "The fix to Warsong Commander* and the introduction of Emperor [Thaurissan] means we will be seeing a lot more huge Warrior combos using Frothing [Berserker], Raging Worgen, and now Grim Patron." (Tempo Storm Meta Snapshot #12)

* - Warsong Commander previously had an issue in which "token" minions, ie. minions from any source other than their own card, wouldn't gain Charge. Additionally, minions with 3-or-less Attack that gained additional Attack (giving them 4 or more) from their Battlecry would not gain Charge, circumventing how effect triggers are supposed to stack.

The additions of Grim Patron and Emperor Thaurissan gave tremendous support to the previously fringe Combo Warrior archetype, and the meta was well suited for Patron Warrior to take off. Decks running small, persistent minions like Haunted Creeper were regularly top tier, and Patron Warrior proved efficient at dealing with small-stats-but-very-wide boards, and these board states grew the power level of eventual Patron combo turns. Additionally, Patrons were impressively stable at dealing with the most powerful minion in the history of the game at that time, Dr. Boom, and nothing stopped Patron Warrior from just also running Boom. If you can sometimes beat 'em, who says you still can't play 'em? Patron Warrior became the anti-aggro police deck on ladder, effectively countering what most of all decks were doing.

Following Blackrock Mountain was The Grand Tournament, which did three major things worth noting. First, it offered Patron Warrior almost nothing (Bash would see play in Control Warrior, and Alexstrasza's Champion would see play in Dragon Warrior). However, all Warriors got one of the most crucial cards in the history of Warrior deckbuilding: Justicar Trueheart, who would immediately see play in most slower Warrior decks, inevitably being played in certain Patron builds slightly longer down the road. The second thing TGT did was introduce Mysterious Challenger, Murloc Knight, and Competitive Spirit. This gave the already solid Midrange Paladin the new name Secret Paladin, and it quickly became one of the best decks in the game. Lastly, it gave legs to the big breakout deck of the set, Dragon Priest, with the cards [Hearthstone Card (Wymrest Agent) Not Found], Twilight Guardian, and Chillmaw. However, these decks had no real way of stopping Patron Warrior in the hands of a knowledgeable player, because their few answers weren't enough to outnumber Warrior's removal package, and Patron remained king for several months.

Then, in October of 2015, Warsong Commander was nerfed a final time, and in the following months, it sunk further and further in popularity, until it was essentially a joke. The card read as it now does:

The card was regarded to have such a significant fall from grace that it spawned a lot of both grief and jokes from the community. The card became effectively useless and went from one of the most played cards in the game to one of the least. Only one month later, League of Explorers was released, and became regarded by many as one of the best Hearthstone sets ever. It gave support to the already solid Aggro Shaman, created an entirely new combo deck in Murloc Paladin, gave Priest great control tools in Entomb and Excavated Evil, blew people away with the incredibly efficient Tomb Pillager, birthed entire new archetypes with Sir Finley Mrrgglton, Brann Bronzebeard, Elise Starseeker, and Reno Jackson, and gave Warriors Cursed Blade, which was regarded mostly as a joke. Regardless, everyone was pretty happy with the set, as aggro, control, and combo decks all had support. And furthermore, the following set, Whispers of the Old Gods, completely transformed the game, both by introducing a massive number of archetypes, and by introducing the Wild/Standard formats. This upset a number of Patron players who thought the Wild format would have made a good home for Patron Warrior--others, however, believed Patron Warrior would simply dominate the format forever, and in hindsight there's certainly validity to both of those opinions at the time.

The Discussion in 2019

There are four major points I'd like to present as the primary reasons for which Warsong Commander should be changed yet again. Here's a little more backstory: in early 2017, massive issues with the Classic set were recognized when a number of cards from the set were frequent offenders in powerful decks (or regarded as improper to have in Standard). Ten cards (Conceal, Ice Lance, Power Overwhelming, Azure Drake, Captain's Parrot, Gelbin Mekkatorque, Elite Tauren Chieftain, Old Murk-Eye, Ragnaros the Firelord, and Sylvanas Windrunner) were removed from the Classic set and put into a new, Wild-only set, known as Hall of Fame. A year later, three additional cards (Coldlight Oracle, Ice Block, and Molten Giant) were moved from Classic to Hall of Fame. Molten Giant marked the first card to be unnerfed during this transition, with its cost dropping from a nerfed 25 back down to a pre-nerf 20. In 2019, an additional three cards from the Classic set were moved to the Hall of Fame (Naturalize, Divine Favor, and Doomguard). Again in 2019, an additional two cards were moved from an eternal set to Hall of Fame, however, this time it was from the Basic set (Mind Blast and Vanish). A number of cards were added to Basic and Classic to replace some holes in the set caused by these changes.

1. The first point is, considering that now both a) cards have been unnerfed when being moved from an eternal set to Hall of Fame and b) cards from the Basic set have been moved to Hall of Fame, there's no practical reason restricting Blizzard from making the decision of reverting Warsong Commander to it's text "Whenever you summon a minion with 3 or less Attack, give it Charge." and moving it from Basic to Hall of Fame. In other words, it is not a decision that would go against their previous conduct.

2. The second point is that the card in its most previous iteration would not go against the design team's philosophy of interaction in the Wild format. Hearthstone is a game with specific types of interaction, which gives a specific perception on how interactive a deck, card, combo, mechanic, or interaction can be. To efficiently interact, you need specific ways of preemptively resisting or negating what your opponent will do, in the context of dealing with combo (otherwise, interaction can be as simple as using a spell to remove an in-play creature, but in this instance we're discussing preventing OTKs). Keeping Patron Warrior's history in mind, we can make note of a couple of things: a) Warsong Commander was nerfed before the introduction of the Wild format, b) cards designed explicitly for Wild have so far not been made (at least not as a part of Standard sets), c) Patron Warrior typically requires Emperor Thaurissan to function optimally, which is mostly considered very slow for combos in Wild, and d) cards have been made since the nerfing of Warsong Commander that either preemptively interact with or simply outpace Patron Warrior. Existing cards that can collectively hinder the power of Patron Warrior include Ice Block, Evasion, Explosive Runes, Potion of Polymorph, Reno Jackson, Ironwood Golem, Thing from Below, Sludge Belcher, Twilight Guardian, Rotten Applebaum, Zilliax, Tar Creeper Obsidian Statue (and several Big Priest cards), Voidlord, Mal'Ganis, Bloodreaver Gul'dan, Molten Giant, Mountain Giant, Arcane Giant, Defender of Argus, Loatheb, Dirty Rat, Hecklebot, Chillmaw, Tunnel Blaster, Twin Emperor Vek'lor, and Soggoth the Slitherer, and decks that would likely do well or average against Patron Warrior include Quest Mage, Big Priest, Handlock/Control Warlock, Control/Odd Warrior, Control Paladin, Odd Rogue, Taunt Druid, and certain Shudderwock Shaman builds. It's also worth noting that in regards to interactivity, many have argued that certain Wild decks have little options in regards to effective interaction, and while these complaints have been officially addressed, no solutions have so far been made, and considerable buffs and options have been given to those decks since (chiefly, I'm talking about Big Priest).

3. The third point is actually a challenge to the design team's Hall of Fame philosophy and the broader concept of the Wild format. In 2017, former Lead Producer Yong Woo spoke about their plans for Hall of Fame, stating "For us, the most important aspect of [the] Standard format is diversity. If a metagame largely consists of decks with similar cores and ideas, we'll consider making changes." (Woo's interview with invenglobal). I want to challenge that statement in an honestly sneaky way, but I believe it to be relevant. The Basic and Classic sets seem to exist with two ideas in mind that were to an extent relevant at inception and especially relevant now: to introduce a pool of cards to new players that offer some level of significance to basic deckbuilding without being abhorrently quintessential to certain decks or strategies, and to offer experienced players some deckbuilding options when theoretically superior options aren't available at the time or when there is a significant importance from what that card offers without being build-around cards themselves (Novice Engineer and Fireball being two examples; Mind Blast and Vanish being not (thus the Hall of Fame rotation)). Out of the 133 cards currently in the Basic set, many are playable and relevant both in the hands of new players and veterans, and can often be bought up in discussion as potential inclusions in competitive decks. What statistically unplayable/underplayed cards in the Basic set means is that those cards are likely inherently unusable in decks for any player regardless of their level of skill or experience. When options in the Basic set are compromised by unplayable/unused cards, those who feel it the most are the newer players. Moving back to actual design philosophy, here's another extract from that same interview with Yong Woo. When asked what to expect for the Wild format, Woo says, "We think of the Wild format as a place to play with all the cards that ever have been or will be a part of Hearthstone, so we want to support the format accordingly." This obviously should not be taken at strictly face value, because when a card is nerfed, fixed, or tweaked, it is technically no longer that original card. But what if a card's name, cost, stats, and art remain the same, but the effect changes entirely? When comparing the current and previous iterations of Warsong Commander, they're all very different, but it's quite obvious that the most previous iteration is a direct nerf from the iteration before it. However, the current iteration of Warsong Commander isn't functionally similar to the most previous iteration in any way other than the stats, and that the word Charge appears on the card. It's an entirely different card, and the previous version, a nerf from it's even earlier version, is no longer a usable card in the game, despite being a considerable part of the game's history.

4. The fourth point is an address to part of the reason why Warsong Commander/Patron Warrior was nerfed in the first place, and why a lot of cards historically got nerfed in Hearthstone: they were too tournament-meta warping, and in part with that, cards that eventually required nerfs typically limited design space in some way. Steamer TrumpHS and former Hearthstone Game Director Ben Brode cover it best. In Wild, Patron Warrior with the inclusion of Warsong Commander has enough strong counters against it that considerable tournament meta warping is unlikely aside from being great tech against decks like Odd Paladin and Murloc Shaman. In Wild, an eternal format, the issue of cards limiting design space is far less of an issue considering that the card pool in Wild is considerably larger with a greater number cards that counteract the impacts of otherwise problematic cards that may cause issues in formats that have smaller card pools, like Standard. Often times, card game designers must ban cards for the health of their game, but later find the opportunities to unban those cards once more cards have been added to the format in question. In the case of Hearthstone, bans and unbans don't exist outside of the Odd/Even effective-bans in Standard, so an unnerfing of an older card isn't something to shy away from.

5. The fifth point may be a bit ridiculous to some, but it's absolutely worth mentioning. Patron Warrior had a considerable difference in win rate based on the player's skill with the deck. Many players had remarkably low win rates with the deck, while others dominated the ladder. The deck was likely a difficult one to nerf because it heavily rewarded skilled players, rather than rewarding players for just playing it, like many decks get accused of having the issue of.

6. The final point I'd like to present has less to do with Hearthstone, and more to do with games that see updates and changes over long periods of time. I want to refer to an example from another card game, Magic: the Gathering, and a specific story from it, that I'll call The Boogeyman. I'd like you to take a break from reading, if you want, and watch a video--don't worry, you don't need to know anything about the game to enjoy the video. If you're familiar with the legend of Jace, the Mind Sculptor, you're fine, but I still recommend that video. Jace, the Mind Sculptor has a very interesting story. In Standard, a format near-identical to Hearthstone's, Jace, the Mind Sculptor dominated on all levels, and the decks playing it were consistently winning--it was metawarping. In the right hands, it often felt unbeatable, and at a point the format became significantly warped around the card that mirror matches were decided and won by the deck that specifically planned ahead to win the mirror match. It didn't win with combo, but when the pieces moved it often felt like one. One year after the release of Jace, the Mind Sculptor and its dominance over Standard, the new eternal format Modern was created, and Jace, the Mind Sculptor was immediately banned from being played in Modern. For seven years it was remembered by Modern players as overpowered, infuriating, and scary, until it was unbanned in February of 2018. People lost their minds, but as it turned out, Jace underperformed after his debut into the format. The card is played, and in some of the best decks in the format, but it seemed the legacy had outhyped the legend. A big consideration of how Warsong Commander would impact Wild is the meta; it historically had really great success against decks flooding the board with small bodies, and that isn't what's currently dominating the ladder. People are playing control, and combo, and decks oozing with value. The dominance of Jace, the Mind Sculptor over the pool of cards in MTG's Standard at the time and the relative unimpressive performance in MTG's Modern seems comparable to the potential impact Warsong Commander would have over Hearthstone's Wild when remembering only its Standard.

In closing, I quite obviously believe in a return of pre-nerf Warsong Commander to exclusively Wild, but I am very curious what others think about this topic. 

Some Nostalgia

Making a post to see what's going on because this is all I can see in this thread.

Hi peeps, I love playing control decks, and it's really disappointing there aren't nothing but Warrior to go around with. Shaman is very unreliable, but still the second best option. 

The bigger thing is, we now have aggro decks that are immune to fatigue or even mid-game pressure, thanks to cards such as Dire Frenzy. The latter is just nerve-wrecking, especially in the current meta where Hunter has viable discover cards & Zul'jin to repeat playing the buffed 1-cost lifesteal minions to no end. Such a weird design choice/flaw.

I'm happy Blizzard has been bringing up class identity, but what I'd like to see more is looking after diversity in deck types. I personally see no difference in playing against or with any of the tier 1 aggro decks (broadly speaking), so I've simply played less and less of the game recently.

I gave up ladder climb a long time ago, ever since I realized it simply means spending hours playing a tier 1 deck and the reward is puny: I've put money in the game so 400 dust is not enough of an incentive to me to undergo the mindless grind. But even finding the game enjoyable is pretty hard if you don't like top 3 decks.

Have any of you enjoyed any control or combo decks in Standard lately? I do like playing Shaman (with various Hagatha+Elysiana+Shudder builds), but the fact that Hunter is so popular right now just makes it a harrowing experience most of the times. If you're about to say "go Wild", I wanna add I sometimes dip over to Wild but personally I don't enjoy going back to all the poison we just got rid of in Standard (odd aggro decks etc).

Nomi Priest is pretty fun too, I might get seriously into that. But Control Warrior feels so played out at this point, as the matches are way too similar due to the ultra-dominant role of Dr. Boom hero.

Hello everyone,

i made an Tess/Miracle Deck in Standard and I would like to improve this deck. Currently I play this deck on rank 7 it is good vs Control Decks, but it is an unfavoured matchup vs Aggro, esp. Tokendruid.

Here's my list:

https://outof.cards/hearthstone/decks/2902-tess-rogue

Here some video samples from my stream:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/449018906 (Don't get confused. I started playing Hots first, just change the chapter to HS)

What do you think?

So I've been playing a bit of miracle mage recently as many other decks in wild were getting a little boring. Obviously the deck is really good and allows for quite some variety with all the discovering and random spells. 

Only thing that's limiting my joy is, big surprise, big priest. According to viciousSyndicate and Tempostorm's latest meta reports the deck is very favored against these degenerates. Yet I can never seem to win against them. I usually have trouble clearing all their taunt minions to make way for my giants and don't have enough reach to burst them down from hand. 

So, any tips regarding this matchup are welcome. At what turn do you go "in"? How do you deal with multiple The Lich King or Obsidian Statue? Some good VODs, videos and replays are welcome too. I've found a few on a deck guide over at HP, but two out of those three were won because of 1. multiple polymorph effects being generated and 2. multiple Counterspell being generated. Thanks in advance.

On a quick sidenote: hsreplay doesn't have matchup statistics for wild, does it? I always rely on Tempostorm's and viciousSyndicate's but I find the former to not always be accurate and the latter doesn't update often.

i am a new player so forgive me if i miss the point but why does king mukla exsist?

i recently got him and he only does something negative (unless the bananas can be positive for you) so why would hearthstone create such a card?

or is there something good about king mukla that i am missing

Hello, fellas and fellasses. Today, I'd like to ask about your opinion about how the four members of the League of Explorers look in their newest versions.

Personally, I'd like to analyze them each, starting with

The Best, Reno and Elise

What can I say? Reno looks perfect and in sync with what we know of his personality. He looks cocky, charismatic, I really, really think he is the best design of the four by far. Last we saw him was in Karazhan with... mixed opinions... mainly comparing him to a porno character. Here, I'll say Reno looks as much an explorer as he should, hands-down the more fittingly heroic and charismatic of the four. This version gets my thumbs up.

As for Elise, well, I can't say her design matches her previous personality, but I'll say I love it anyway. Who knows, maybe even the most negative, no-fun-allowed people become smiley when confronted by villainy? Besides, they made her even more beautiful than before, somehow. Maybe after 2 versions in the past we'll finally get an Elise version that smiles like her friends. No complaints here from me either.

Brann

I have a more neutral attitude towards Brann. He looks younger, and admittedly better, of course. However... Why does he look like he wants to rip everyone's head off? Don't get me wrong, I still think he looks cool, just a bit... insane, I guess? It's not a thumbs-down from me, but maybe I am alone in this. Also, as I got the two pictures together, I just realized he looks a lot scarier and less friendly in his original art than I thought, so there's that. Still, if we take his personality into account, we know he isn't a psycho, right?

Finley

Ugh... How do I say this? Finley looks... intellectually impaired? For a character whose gimmick is being the classiest and possibly smartest of his species (even if it isn't a hard thing to achieve), that is not a good thing. He no longer looks much like a gentlemanly explorer murloc, as much as a stupid murloc that happened to find a monocle and an explorer hat, like Murloc Tastyfin. I might get more infuriated than reasonable with his new design, but I haven't seen anyone else talk about this. Am I alone here?

So... that's all I have to say. Do you disagree? Is Finley actually the greatest visual update known to man and I just don't get it? Am I just terrible at reading cartoony facial expressions? Go right ahead and post your opinion.

Hey all;

Feel free to ask questions here about how certain cards interact and some tips on how the brawl works.  Below is what I gathered so far:

All cards that discard: Once discarded, they are out of your deck for good.  Cards that discard: Deathwing, Tracking, Felstalker (Succubus), etc.

Cards Returned to hand: Whenever a card is returned to your hand, a second copy will be permanently added to your deck.  Cards that return to hand: Sap, Freezing Trap, Youthful Brewmaster, Shadowstep, etc.

Cards Put in Play Other Than Normal Play: This works very similar to the discard function; once pulled from your hand or deck, it's gone.  Cards with that effect: Captain Hooktusk, Piloted Reaper, Duel!, Masked Contender, Flark's Boom-Zooka, Coffin Crasher, Darkest Hour, etc.

Tokens: Tokens work the same way as cards being returned to hand; once added to your hand, they are permanently added to your deck.

Cast When Drawn: Unless actually drawn from an effect that draws cards, these do not trigger.  They just float in your deck and hand.  Cards that add cards to your deck: Wrenchcaliber, Hakkar, The Soulflayer, etc.

...'s Scheme: Doesn't actually upgrade since it shuffles back into your deck.

Lackeys and other card generators: Works the same as when a minion is returned to your hand; the card is permanently added to your deck.

Handbuffs and Cost Reduction Cards: Unless the card was played the same turn the effect occurred, the effect does not remain.  Cards with these effects: Prismatic Lens, Ferraki Battleaxe, Far Sight, Luna's Pocket Galaxy, Glowstone Technichian, Call to Adventure, Predatory Instincts, Wing Blast, Soul Infusion, Jepetto Joybuzz, etc.  Cards that add cards to your hand will still be added, but won't be modified like they were unless played in the same turn.  Cards with these effects: Splintergraft, Academic Espionage, Dire Frenzy, Spirit of the Dead, Bog Slosher, etc.

Echo effects, Twinspells, and cards that repeat themselves: A copy is added to your deck each time you play it plus the one in hand.  Formula: X echo cards played, X shuffled in your deck and 1 in hand which shuffles in at the end of the turn.  3 echo cards played, 4 cards shuffled back into the deck total. For Twinspells, a twinspell copy will be shuffled, and a non-twinspell copy will also be shuffled.

Card Interactions:

Unseen Saboteur: This will permanently remove the played spell from your opponent's deck.

Dr. Morrigan: The minion swapped from your deck is gone from your deck permanently.  A second copy of Dr. Morrigan will stay in your deck.  This will repeat every time the deathrattle is triggered.

The Soularium: This doesn't actually discard the cards.  For this brawl, it works as just a Draw 3 cards.

Augmented Elekk: Whenever you play a card or end your turn and draw a new hand, the cards played or not played are shuffled in your deck.  This card shuffles a copy of each of those cards added.

Demonic Project and Prince Liam: The minions transformed are permanently changed and will remain in your deck.

Archivist Elysiana: Other than the cards in your hand, this removes ALL cards in your deck including the Archivist Elysiana shuffled in after she was played.

Dreampetal Florist: Her affect happens at the end of your turn, so the cost reduction will occur after you draw a fresh hand.

Shirvallah and Grave Horror: Card works just like constructed.

Please leave any questions, comments, or even how to play suggestions on the below thread.  As a courtesy, I ask that this be for people who want to learn how this brawl works.  Please leave any salty comments in the salt thread.  I personally enjoy this brawl, but I don't like the fact that all these interactions are kind of a trial-and-error system.

The reborn keyword gives a minion a deathrattle/resurrect (similar to the Paladin secret) with one health remaining. This thread is to discuss this new keyword. What do you think of it? I do not see it as anything spectacular new since you could already have the same effect as a deathrattle for instance.

Saves some ink on the card, that's true, but a resurrect with one health remaining is also not new and was already known as a Paladin secret. 

That's a new thing to me. I care little to none when it comes to deck scores, but I care for reliability/accuracy of system and new deck-ideas.

Please have a look at the picture. The deck in question is circled around with yellow:

It is scored 2 point, which I don't care. But when I have a look, it is scored different. I wish this system error was solely on this deck.  Sadly, there's more: Even-Renounce is scored here as 6 points, yet here it's 5 points. I believe this issue should be addressed as soon as possible to bring justice around all decks. Maybe when errors are resolved, we can see other worthy decks on Hot pages that otherwise couldn't due to errors.

I just noticed while looking at Ethereal Peddler. I presume you Devs/Admins/Staff utilized database taken from Hearthpwn/HSGamepedia. Either case, they are wrong except the last Patch Change Note from HSGamepedia and here is the proof:

I am not sure if other cards -be it from Standard or Wild- are wrong, but if I find another one, I will sure post it here.

I hate going though whole collection to do it.