Just lost another Arena game because of disconnect near rope. I find this really frustrating, I even hate when I win this way and I even occasionally concede when I feel I would surely lose if they didn't DC. I wanted to see your opinion on the idea: introducing the timeout timer in case of player disconnecting.
I played MtG Arena a while ago, and remembered that there was a similar feature when a played is AFK (as I recall you get 3 of them). I really liked it. I thought that it would be great if HS got some kind of DC protection, like at least additional 30 s just in case of DC specifically, once during a game. I don't see any drawbacks to this, as long as afk-ing is excluded, but I might be wrong.
What do you think? Would you like it, would it be helpful?
Ah, yeah, Tyrande. I remember trading my 80 g quest for a code, it was a thing back then. She wasn't available in my country, and other methods didn't work for me, tried everything. I was so happy when I got her, never switched back to Anduin. Glad that others will be able to enjoy the skin without the hassle.
Well my roping "benefits" me in that it makes me feel better and enjoy my game more, which is as much "benefit" as someone else might get from gold farming. And it "solves the issue" of me not being able to communicate to this person that I think they're an ass.
What's hypocritical is to say that everyone else gets to be a dick, but not me. I have to sit here and say "oh thanks for wasting my time by playing your T1 deck I can't possible beat with my goofy T5 deck. Here let me make it easy for you and concede and give you exactly what you want and thank you sir may I have another?" Not buying it. You want to turn the other cheek, be my guest. But until either 1) Blizzard gives a place to exclusive play nonsense meme decks, or 2) people stop bringing ladder decks into the one place that ideally should be free of them, I'm going to continue to tell people who are actively ruining my good time that I can do the same.
Here's a fun idea: No gold rewards for Casual. Period. Bet you wouldn't see too many T1 decks then, huh?
1. The thing is, it’s not for you to decide what decks belong in each format. What would happen if someone with your logic decided that [insert your wacky T5 deck here] is cancerous and unfun to play against, decided you’re a dick for playing it and roped you for no reason other than that? That’s basically what you’re doing to those people bringing T1 decks. Every person has their idea of fun and annoying, you don’t have any special authority that allows you to equate playing certain decks with something objectively dickish, like roping.
2. The fact you feel better and enjoy your game more by getting a petty revenge on people you think were being annoying instead of being mature and moving on isn’t worthy of praise.
You can clearly see most people here agree with me. You can either see that as a sign you may be on the wrong after all, or ignore it. I couldn’t care less.
1. You're correct that I cannot decide what goes where - only Blizzard can. I, however, can decide how I react to what I encounter just like everyone else. If Blizzard thought me roping someone every turn was inappropriate, then they could stop that as well (idk rope 5 turns in a row and you forfeit?). But they don't do that either. So it's up to each and every player to decide what and how they want to play. I'll do me; you do you.
2. Also not praiseworthy is taking some BS moral high ground where you declare what you choose to do is Right and Good and Fine and what I do is Bad and Wrong. In a video game. That's free.
3. Always funny to see people who reply to you what 3 or 4 times now suddenly "couldn't care less." But yeah between that and the ad populum fallacy of what maybe a dozen people on this thread think, you sure showed me!
4. Interesting that all the people condemning me haven't bothered to respond to my suggestion about making Casual have no gold rewards. If you wouldn't play a mode without some sort of reward, then you're acknowledging that you're - at least in part if not entirely - doing it FOR the rewards. And that's my point: your rewards shouldn't come at the expense of others.
Honestly, I think that you overestimate the number of people who are "farming" ( I assume you think about 10g per 3 win). Most people who have the means to do it (t1 decks) probably have large enough collection and gold/dust bank by now that it would be really inefficient way of earning gold for them. Have in mind that if you face that number of good decks, they are facing them too, so it doesn't make much sense to farm there if it is not much easier than low-tier ranked (where you also get gold portrait counts). So I think they are there mostly for other reasons, and would stay there even without rewards for winning.
I like to see Casual not as "meme only", but as "no stress" mode. Since you have nothing to lose at all. No one should feel guilty playing any deck, every person has its own view on entertainment and fun.
I would also recommend trying Wild if you can, casual or ranked, as there is much more potential and freedom for experimenting. You should face homebrew/modified decks fairly often.
1) If I get roped first, almost always on Turn 1 - that tends to get people to knock it off.
2) If I'm playing in Casual and come up against someone playing Tier 1 netdecks to gold farm those of us playing memes (as just happened with 6 Secret Highlander Paladins in a row this morning). As soon as I see what you are I rope every. single. turn. You want that easy win? Sure, but I'm going to suck up as much of your time as I possibly can. The more time you're stuck with me, the less time you can bother other people and I can just as easily read the news while I wait for my timer to burn down each turn.
Fundamentally, my philosophy is the same as that of 2nd century Chinese warrior-sage Zhuge Liang: "If you don't give a damn, we don't give a fuck (Hey!) Don't start no shit, it won't be no shit!" Truly a wise, wise man.
Might just be me, but wasting other people’s time because they’re playing a deck you don’t like doesn’t seem heroic or considerate. It’s just being a dick
Being a gold farmer in Casual is also being a dick. Give shitty, get shitty.
Not everybody is a gold farmer. Maybe they are practicing before they jump into ladder, need a fast win for a quest because they don't have time, or don't care about ladder and find that deck fun to play like you find your meme deck fun. And besides, testing meme decks against meta decks should also be part of deckbuilding, then you can tweak it and maybe come up with something new that can actually compete.
While some of those are fair, quite simply I can't read someone's mind to ascertain their intentions. So by the time I've faced 6Highlander Secret Paladins IN A ROW (as happened to me on Monday) any chance that I might assume good intentions has long since left me since the statistical likelihood that NONE of them are goldfarmers is right about 0.00001%
I would however return to my general argument: people need to remember that there is someone else on the other side of that game board also trying to have fun. You want to "practice" with a tier 1 deck - fine, hit a rank floor on the ladder and practice there. Or just, you know, remember that it's just a game and if you don't make X rank this month because you lost a few games on the ladder the world isn't going to fall apart.
Okay, I get your point. Well, the Casual is still casual, everybody plays what they want. I think you got unlucky with your Highlander Pala streak, but if that deck bothers you that much, you could just concede to Paladin every time and just move on, saving your nerves. Eventually you will get lower tier decks to play against. Or you could invite some friends and play against them with your own rules. If you want, you could add me as well, I would enjoy an occasional friendly.
I can talk from my perspective, I also sometimes enter Casual (in Wild usually) with some strong deck to pass quest only, but the number of times I get in with a thrash quest deck and concede is far bigger. I usually play with friends when I want to meme.
1) If I get roped first, almost always on Turn 1 - that tends to get people to knock it off.
2) If I'm playing in Casual and come up against someone playing Tier 1 netdecks to gold farm those of us playing memes (as just happened with 6 Secret Highlander Paladins in a row this morning). As soon as I see what you are I rope every. single. turn. You want that easy win? Sure, but I'm going to suck up as much of your time as I possibly can. The more time you're stuck with me, the less time you can bother other people and I can just as easily read the news while I wait for my timer to burn down each turn.
Fundamentally, my philosophy is the same as that of 2nd century Chinese warrior-sage Zhuge Liang: "If you don't give a damn, we don't give a fuck (Hey!) Don't start no shit, it won't be no shit!" Truly a wise, wise man.
Might just be me, but wasting other people’s time because they’re playing a deck you don’t like doesn’t seem heroic or considerate. It’s just being a dick
Being a gold farmer in Casual is also being a dick. Give shitty, get shitty.
Not everybody is a gold farmer. Maybe they are practicing before they jump into ladder, need a fast win for a quest because they don't have time, or don't care about ladder and find that deck fun to play like you find your meme deck fun. And besides, testing meme decks against meta decks should also be part of deckbuilding, then you can tweak it and maybe come up with something new that can actually compete.
Thank you! I do enjoy playing Shaman, and I guess I'm convinced to craft it.
I will check for both lists in Wild that are mentioned, I played the slower version all the time so a change is welcome. But first to exploit the Standard one while it lasts :)
Thanks a lot everyone! I'll think some more, but will probably end up crafting her, since I have some extra dust to spare.
Good to hear that this event will last that long, I guess it's worth it then since she's playable in Wild too. And being the hot stuff in a fun Standard deck.
@Painkiller Cool, will try out the "quote" button next time! :)
I would like to hear your opinions on Vessina, as I'm thinking about crafting the card, and am always careful with class-specific ones. It's good currently in Evolve Shaman, which I would enjoy to play, but the deck won't last for long. Do you think similar archetypes will be viable in Standard after evolve goes back to wild?
I play Wild also. Do you think the card's power level is enough to warrant play in Wild? Should be good in Even Shaman, but haven't played Wild in a long time, so I would like to hear your experiences with or against it.
Thanks guys, the info helped! Got consecutive 12-0 and 11-3 with Pala-Mage. Both times I got very lucky with quality cards during the draft. Pools are good for both classes, Paladin has better cards though. Mage's power is really valuable to have, and is a great pick for second class.
On higher number of wins, don't be too relaxed with enemy potential AOE, especially warlock. Those decks usually have their means of defence.
I was wandering what is your opinion and experience on the first and second class pick in new arena. Which choices in vacuum seem to be the best to you for those picks? Also, did you find some classes to be especially synergistic?
Maybe there is a good source for this that you use as a guideline?
Is it just me or is the "Reply" button on mobile version of the site (I'm on android) bugged? It always leaves normal comments at the bottom of the thread instead of replying under selected comment. It did it to me twice now and it felt really stupid. It discourages me to reply anymore, is there at least an alternative way of doing it?
Sorry if there was another thread on this issue, I found none yet!
Beat it first try with enemy minions cost 1 more and have -1 attack treasures. Had great weapons too, they carried my game along some spell damage early. Vs last boss his second hero power will help your murlocs more than his so that made him practically kill himself mid-game. He tributes his murloc to buff your board 😂
Oh, I'm sorry, I never noticed they changed it! It was with draw a card before, thank you for pointing out. Then it is definitely more than fair card, lower mana could work better.
Well, there are already specific counters to other decks as well. I think it would be an interesting card to exist as an option. Yes, most likely it would be not worthy to run them purely for anti-reno if they are going to be fair and balanced, but the suggested design looks playable in vacuum and more interesting than a lot of cards already printed.
I feel that the first version wouls be very strong in general, not just anti-Reno. It potentially denies opponent's draw three times and would be frustrating to play against. I like the summoning version better (with maybe 4/3 statline), but if you really wanted just anti-reno, maybe you could add "Draw a card." to a do nothing card, plus 1 health, or +1 spell damage (since it's a mage, some flavour, also Ogre Magi stats :) )
Maybe it's not that Yogg's box is bad, but you usually play it when already behind or about to lose, as a last resort. That could explain low played WR.
Hello everyone,
Just lost another Arena game because of disconnect near rope. I find this really frustrating, I even hate when I win this way and I even occasionally concede when I feel I would surely lose if they didn't DC. I wanted to see your opinion on the idea: introducing the timeout timer in case of player disconnecting.
I played MtG Arena a while ago, and remembered that there was a similar feature when a played is AFK (as I recall you get 3 of them). I really liked it. I thought that it would be great if HS got some kind of DC protection, like at least additional 30 s just in case of DC specifically, once during a game. I don't see any drawbacks to this, as long as afk-ing is excluded, but I might be wrong.
What do you think? Would you like it, would it be helpful?
Ah, yeah, Tyrande. I remember trading my 80 g quest for a code, it was a thing back then. She wasn't available in my country, and other methods didn't work for me, tried everything. I was so happy when I got her, never switched back to Anduin. Glad that others will be able to enjoy the skin without the hassle.
Honestly, I think that you overestimate the number of people who are "farming" ( I assume you think about 10g per 3 win). Most people who have the means to do it (t1 decks) probably have large enough collection and gold/dust bank by now that it would be really inefficient way of earning gold for them. Have in mind that if you face that number of good decks, they are facing them too, so it doesn't make much sense to farm there if it is not much easier than low-tier ranked (where you also get gold portrait counts). So I think they are there mostly for other reasons, and would stay there even without rewards for winning.
I like to see Casual not as "meme only", but as "no stress" mode. Since you have nothing to lose at all. No one should feel guilty playing any deck, every person has its own view on entertainment and fun.
I would also recommend trying Wild if you can, casual or ranked, as there is much more potential and freedom for experimenting. You should face homebrew/modified decks fairly often.
Okay, I get your point. Well, the Casual is still casual, everybody plays what they want. I think you got unlucky with your Highlander Pala streak, but if that deck bothers you that much, you could just concede to Paladin every time and just move on, saving your nerves. Eventually you will get lower tier decks to play against. Or you could invite some friends and play against them with your own rules. If you want, you could add me as well, I would enjoy an occasional friendly.
I can talk from my perspective, I also sometimes enter Casual (in Wild usually) with some strong deck to pass quest only, but the number of times I get in with a thrash quest deck and concede is far bigger. I usually play with friends when I want to meme.
Not everybody is a gold farmer. Maybe they are practicing before they jump into ladder, need a fast win for a quest because they don't have time, or don't care about ladder and find that deck fun to play like you find your meme deck fun. And besides, testing meme decks against meta decks should also be part of deckbuilding, then you can tweak it and maybe come up with something new that can actually compete.
Thank you! I do enjoy playing Shaman, and I guess I'm convinced to craft it.
I will check for both lists in Wild that are mentioned, I played the slower version all the time so a change is welcome. But first to exploit the Standard one while it lasts :)
Thanks a lot everyone! I'll think some more, but will probably end up crafting her, since I have some extra dust to spare.
Good to hear that this event will last that long, I guess it's worth it then since she's playable in Wild too. And being the hot stuff in a fun Standard deck.
@Painkiller Cool, will try out the "quote" button next time! :)
@Painkiller1724 She makes your cheaper totems more threatening? Wonder if there's her value in Wild.
Edit: Sorry, I have problems replying on the phone, so the comment is not aligned with yours.
Hello everyone,
I would like to hear your opinions on Vessina, as I'm thinking about crafting the card, and am always careful with class-specific ones. It's good currently in Evolve Shaman, which I would enjoy to play, but the deck won't last for long. Do you think similar archetypes will be viable in Standard after evolve goes back to wild?
I play Wild also. Do you think the card's power level is enough to warrant play in Wild? Should be good in Even Shaman, but haven't played Wild in a long time, so I would like to hear your experiences with or against it.
Thank you for your time!
Thanks guys, the info helped! Got consecutive 12-0 and 11-3 with Pala-Mage. Both times I got very lucky with quality cards during the draft. Pools are good for both classes, Paladin has better cards though. Mage's power is really valuable to have, and is a great pick for second class.
On higher number of wins, don't be too relaxed with enemy potential AOE, especially warlock. Those decks usually have their means of defence.
Hello everyone,
I was wandering what is your opinion and experience on the first and second class pick in new arena. Which choices in vacuum seem to be the best to you for those picks? Also, did you find some classes to be especially synergistic?
Maybe there is a good source for this that you use as a guideline?
I played too little to conclude anything.
Thanks!
Oh, I really do have system update pending for quite a long time. Will try after update later to see if it works then. Thanks for the info!
Is it just me or is the "Reply" button on mobile version of the site (I'm on android) bugged? It always leaves normal comments at the bottom of the thread instead of replying under selected comment. It did it to me twice now and it felt really stupid. It discourages me to reply anymore, is there at least an alternative way of doing it?
Sorry if there was another thread on this issue, I found none yet!
Beat it first try with enemy minions cost 1 more and have -1 attack treasures. Had great weapons too, they carried my game along some spell damage early. Vs last boss his second hero power will help your murlocs more than his so that made him practically kill himself mid-game. He tributes his murloc to buff your board 😂
Now that you've asked, I thought it would be pretty amazing if he could give you Coldlight Oracle or Naturalize for lethal when opponent's in fatigue.
Oh, I'm sorry, I never noticed they changed it! It was with draw a card before, thank you for pointing out. Then it is definitely more than fair card, lower mana could work better.
Well, there are already specific counters to other decks as well. I think it would be an interesting card to exist as an option. Yes, most likely it would be not worthy to run them purely for anti-reno if they are going to be fair and balanced, but the suggested design looks playable in vacuum and more interesting than a lot of cards already printed.
I feel that the first version wouls be very strong in general, not just anti-Reno. It potentially denies opponent's draw three times and would be frustrating to play against. I like the summoning version better (with maybe 4/3 statline), but if you really wanted just anti-reno, maybe you could add "Draw a card." to a do nothing card, plus 1 health, or +1 spell damage (since it's a mage, some flavour, also Ogre Magi stats :) )
Maybe it's not that Yogg's box is bad, but you usually play it when already behind or about to lose, as a last resort. That could explain low played WR.