One way to counter those infinite Nzoth decks is to have a Mecha'thun otk ready at the end of your deck. As a mage I only need to have two spells and Emperor Thaurissan and Mecha'thun in my deck. The spells and Thaurissan are good cards in any matchup so not really a waste, so it only costs me one slot. I added it to a flamewaker/cyclone deck where rushing through all the cheap spells in your deck is a real possibility. Then, once your deck is near depletion and the opponent is still alive, you can always finish him off with your otk combo. And they will not see it coming, since combo plays all from hand in 1 turn. Earned me a couple of "Wow..."s :)
LOL so I added Mecha'thun to my flamewaker/cyclone deck and went on a win-streak of 7-0 without needing to play Mecha'thun. Maybe the rest of my deck got inspired to get the job done before the end-Mech would do it? Anywayz, I went to rank 4 before I got my waterloo from a lucky shaman who could evolve on me a board with 5 desert hare's on it.
Ah that's an interesting thought...to use Mecha'thun as an emergency exit against the control resurrecting screens of healing taunts. Will experiment soon.
No the quest pally I hate. All those reborn minions...to then have an infinite amount of eggs...while the secret pally can be a difficult matchup since it is more aggro than shaman, but its not so bad matchup for my deck.
I am also done with certain matchups. So basically Priest and Paladin I auto conceide. My deck targets shaman so that one I am happy to try. Those other two "not so much".
stop complaining please...all the whiners and complainers make hearthstone look bad. it's a card game where there's a winner and a loser. you're obviously the loser congrats.
ROFL we are not complaining about HS but about some specific tiny detail of it which makes our gaming experience one big horror show of continuous losing to the same stupid combo!! And sure we can all start playing the same bullshit so it will be shamanstone until patch/nerf/new expansion but that would not be very interesting
The mana cheat king of the moment. I remember a certain mage nerf to counter those mana cheated boards, which required you to do nothing for 4 turns. Shaman can play anything he wants and then cheat out 3 4-mana minions for 4 mana on turn 3/4, and then evolve it a turn later to get even more value at turn 5. It will be the only deck I play until they nerf it to hell. Sorry mage.
I turned back to an old favorite being a hand mage using Khadgar+Mountain giants+Conjurer, N'zoth, Faceless Manipulator, galaxy spell and the default deathrattles including the new Sylvanas, Rag, Thaurissan. It can lead to strong refillable boards and some insane combo's, for instance a conjurer on a Sylvanas to get the Thaurissan from the opponent...I am enjoying it a lot. And the ability to copy the most annoying minion (say a Ragnaros) from the opponent is very nice, and when you need refill you always have n'zoth at your disposal. And the pool of 6 mana minions for conjurer is so strong: lots of taunts, deathrattles and new legendaries :). Combine that with Khadgar for some serious board state estate.
I also played a lot of flamewaker aggro/tempo mage but it is a bit boring...you stall until you have the combo cards, and if the train gets rolling (you also have draw) you win, and if not, you lose, except if you did enough damage to close the game with reach.
Only way I got it to work is to select the new portrait as the default. Then it worked on all decks at least. Maybe can be used as a temporary workaround until bug is fixed. Made my whole interface yellow though. (Yes I play a lot of mage)
I am in a good mood! I drafted a mage [Hearthstone Card (Mecha' tun) Not Found] deck and won 3 games with it. First game I just won on board with Flamewaker cannon.
Opponent resigned in hopeless position also having burnt their N'zoth (oopsie).
Second game I actually could play the combo; eventually lost board control against an espionage Rogue, but he kept focussing on my minions did not see it coming and bang. OTK. Nice!
Third game I managed to deal lethal damage with Flamewaker using just lots and lots of cheap spells...this card is the nuts.
You can find the deck I played in my decks section : https://outof.cards/hearthstone/decks/8131-mechathun-otk
If there was a way to consistently get Flamewaker, SA and Luna on the board with the rest of your deck/hand being 1-mana spells...before the opponent walks over you...I will try to figure out a way how to do this when I have the time :).
I do not think it is straight trash but more a first attempt. The coming weeks will lead to more consistent variants is my expectation. I tried one variant with secret package and one without; both are fun but I always kept Antonidas to close the deal late game. I think I will now first try some mecha'thun combo against all that n'zoth trash.
I think we will see Warlock using Expired Merchant to give him more than one N'Zoth, the Corruptor. I faced it once already and saw it on a stream. It has almost infinite board fill with taunts that heal, kinda like the old taunt lock where Guldan resurrected all your demons and you had to kill all the taunts again. Except here it is worse, since they can do it 4 times.
In standard the decks you encounter are often all the same after a while, just basically some netdeck. With new cards thrown in, the meta is again in a state of chaos: what is the best deck now? So you can try out some new stuff and that is fun.
So I tried some Flamewaker! Did not work out in reno, yesterday evening, lost all games. But this morning I created a deck with spells, cyclones, Apprentices, Flamewaker, Flakmage, secrets package, Emperor Thaurissan, Antonidas and fireballs. Boy did it deliver. Crushed an aggro warrior, destroyed a quest shaman and obliterated a quest priest. Did not refine the deck yet even.
One way to counter those infinite Nzoth decks is to have a Mecha'thun otk ready at the end of your deck. As a mage I only need to have two spells and Emperor Thaurissan and Mecha'thun in my deck. The spells and Thaurissan are good cards in any matchup so not really a waste, so it only costs me one slot. I added it to a flamewaker/cyclone deck where rushing through all the cheap spells in your deck is a real possibility. Then, once your deck is near depletion and the opponent is still alive, you can always finish him off with your otk combo. And they will not see it coming, since combo plays all from hand in 1 turn. Earned me a couple of "Wow..."s :)
LOL so I added Mecha'thun to my flamewaker/cyclone deck and went on a win-streak of 7-0 without needing to play Mecha'thun. Maybe the rest of my deck got inspired to get the job done before the end-Mech would do it? Anywayz, I went to rank 4 before I got my waterloo from a lucky shaman who could evolve on me a board with 5 desert hare's on it.
Ah that's an interesting thought...to use Mecha'thun as an emergency exit against the control resurrecting screens of healing taunts. Will experiment soon.
No the quest pally I hate. All those reborn minions...to then have an infinite amount of eggs...while the secret pally can be a difficult matchup since it is more aggro than shaman, but its not so bad matchup for my deck.
I am also done with certain matchups. So basically Priest and Paladin I auto conceide. My deck targets shaman so that one I am happy to try. Those other two "not so much".
ROFL we are not complaining about HS but about some specific tiny detail of it which makes our gaming experience one big horror show of continuous losing to the same stupid combo!! And sure we can all start playing the same bullshit so it will be shamanstone until patch/nerf/new expansion but that would not be very interesting
The mana cheat king of the moment. I remember a certain mage nerf to counter those mana cheated boards, which required you to do nothing for 4 turns. Shaman can play anything he wants and then cheat out 3 4-mana minions for 4 mana on turn 3/4, and then evolve it a turn later to get even more value at turn 5. It will be the only deck I play until they nerf it to hell. Sorry mage.
I turned back to an old favorite being a hand mage using Khadgar+Mountain giants+Conjurer, N'zoth, Faceless Manipulator, galaxy spell and the default deathrattles including the new Sylvanas, Rag, Thaurissan. It can lead to strong refillable boards and some insane combo's, for instance a conjurer on a Sylvanas to get the Thaurissan from the opponent...I am enjoying it a lot. And the ability to copy the most annoying minion (say a Ragnaros) from the opponent is very nice, and when you need refill you always have n'zoth at your disposal. And the pool of 6 mana minions for conjurer is so strong: lots of taunts, deathrattles and new legendaries :). Combine that with Khadgar for some serious board state estate.
I also played a lot of flamewaker aggro/tempo mage but it is a bit boring...you stall until you have the combo cards, and if the train gets rolling (you also have draw) you win, and if not, you lose, except if you did enough damage to close the game with reach.
And thanks for returning N'zoth giving Priest even more resurrection tools. Only way to counter that is some RNG based Flamewaker I guess.
Only way I got it to work is to select the new portrait as the default. Then it worked on all decks at least. Maybe can be used as a temporary workaround until bug is fixed. Made my whole interface yellow though. (Yes I play a lot of mage)
I am in a good mood! I drafted a mage [Hearthstone Card (Mecha' tun) Not Found] deck and won 3 games with it. First game I just won on board with Flamewaker cannon.
Opponent resigned in hopeless position also having burnt their N'zoth (oopsie).
Second game I actually could play the combo; eventually lost board control against an espionage Rogue, but he kept focussing on my minions did not see it coming and bang. OTK. Nice!
Third game I managed to deal lethal damage with Flamewaker using just lots and lots of cheap spells...this card is the nuts.
You can find the deck I played in my decks section : https://outof.cards/hearthstone/decks/8131-mechathun-otk
Totally agree!
If there was a way to consistently get Flamewaker, SA and Luna on the board with the rest of your deck/hand being 1-mana spells...before the opponent walks over you...I will try to figure out a way how to do this when I have the time :).
I do not think it is straight trash but more a first attempt. The coming weeks will lead to more consistent variants is my expectation. I tried one variant with secret package and one without; both are fun but I always kept Antonidas to close the deal late game. I think I will now first try some mecha'thun combo against all that n'zoth trash.
I think we will see Warlock using Expired Merchant to give him more than one N'Zoth, the Corruptor. I faced it once already and saw it on a stream. It has almost infinite board fill with taunts that heal, kinda like the old taunt lock where Guldan resurrected all your demons and you had to kill all the taunts again. Except here it is worse, since they can do it 4 times.
That warlock deck that keeps resurrecting board after board with nzoth is very irritating indeed.
I thought the idea was to give that card to your opponent and then play Unseen Saboteur
In standard the decks you encounter are often all the same after a while, just basically some netdeck. With new cards thrown in, the meta is again in a state of chaos: what is the best deck now? So you can try out some new stuff and that is fun.
So I tried some Flamewaker! Did not work out in reno, yesterday evening, lost all games. But this morning I created a deck with spells, cyclones, Apprentices, Flamewaker, Flakmage, secrets package, Emperor Thaurissan, Antonidas and fireballs. Boy did it deliver. Crushed an aggro warrior, destroyed a quest shaman and obliterated a quest priest. Did not refine the deck yet even.
Or a double machine gun with Flamewaker and Magic Dart Frog. I am sure that will piss off some lackey addict.
I am enjoying Diablo 3 seasonal heroes especially nice to lose some frustration after a bad loss in HS :)