Would've liked to see some buffs to some DMF cards for Priest and Druid, but hey, we take what we can get.
Keen to start playing ranked again
OR unnerfs for other stuff like the galakrond shaman stuff(like eve just 1 and rest with rotation) or fiendirhs rites for walrocks which is already not in a good spot at all aswell
Why sugesttion buff/unnerf ideas for classes that are terribe ebignd wonvoted? guess peopel want to be etrirble adn stay terrible
Or mayeb its the people that go OMG its gonna make mega broken tier 0unstopable as soon see any kind of support at all (odd palyl/secret mage for any support for recruits or any secret support/any secret even fi tis worse version of excisting)
The reasoning is fine but I think Blade Dance is still too strong, they didn't even address the contradiction with the class identity, they just delayed the card for one turn and that does nothing when paired with Skull.
I think blade dance is fine now 100% and are cards that are more much more deserving aof a nerf (bladed lady/skull of guldan)
Voracious Reader nerf was not only necessary, its basically an expected target from its introduction. A 1 mana nerf to this card is enormously brutal. Now at 3 mana if you're stuck with both in hand you might as well just concede the match.
Well this mana is a brutal change, but it also makes it so ODD decks like ODD Paladin get acces to it now in wild. so the nerf might become a buff for certain decks.
ODD PALLADIN WILL NOT RUN IT AT ALL.
IT has betetr things ot get of crystology, betterr thigns to put in tis deck,betetr draw way betetr in divine favour whcih is a 1off onyl adn to many 3/5+ cost cards in the deck to make reader good an
ONLY ODD deck thats gonan run it at al ins od ddh, odd rogue,odd aplyl nope
Odd palladin will not Run reader at all, it has divien favour which is betetr and is ony a 1off,it has alot of 3/5+ cost cards (inclduing BAKU) that make reader way worse,it cant at all dump its hand as fast as aggro ruid can and it would ratehr draw its current 1attack minions OVER reader with crystology.
To say that blade dance has only stood out as problematic in recent weeks is perhaps an understatement. It has been problematic since its inception, being a core card in both control dhunter and the late combo Kael'thas dhunter in the past and basically going to be slotted into anything midranged. Made worse by the Twin Slice change, and then went on to dominate much of Scholomance's meta, and then again in this meta. It's very efficiency basically created, as you say; a class with little to no weakness. This nerf is hardly going to push this card off the cliff, but then again, that's exactly the problem. If there's a card that deserves to be nuked its this one.
I'm a little less enthusiastic about Shardshatter Mystic's nerf. Its easy to play around and fits dhunter's supposed weakness of having board clears but not for big minions. Perhaps the real reason this card is broken is because blade dance exists, and I would've been happier if the former have been spared the nerf hammer and the latter nerfed further.
A small comment on Dinotamer Brann and highlander hunter's supposed strength. In all honesty, the deck would've been fine if polkelt didn't exist. The real problem was how easy it was to unleash king krush at turn 7 followed by Dragonbane or something like Kill Command. Unlike the other problems above, this one could've been solved simply by printing a good taunt minion, but I think team5 is still reeling from that brief Giggling Inventor meta to do it.
Blizz in generla for standard liek to make stuff good and then forgot/dont care/hatever to give ways to deal with at all,or if had ways to deal with nerf it/hof it or just rotate and no replcement for the role at all.
ASLO NERFS SHOULD NOT AT ALL NUKE CARDS , NERFS SHOULD WEAKEN NOT DELETE CARDS
With these nerfs there is more room for decks who are dominated by DH. Everthing will be fine and Knuckles surely is tested internally. Those tempo swings of Thrall can easily be controlled.
Internaly etsted yeah right even if happens if was good their etsting we'd ntoi end up with enrf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf after nerf constanty.
An incomplete set of nerfs is not the same as a useless set of nerfs. If evolve shaman ends up needing a nerf they can just nerf it later.
I don't really see why you think the nerfs will leave more classes "dead in [the] gutter" than there are currently. It is clear that these nerfs will help out the current worst classes (druid, priest, mage and warlock) because whatever happens to the meta, it must slow down at least a little bit. Certainly it does those classes no harm, and a shift in the top decks might well do them more good than the mere improvements to win rates against DH and hunter.
In the end, something will be the OP top deck that people complain about, and that happens whether you nerf cards or buff them, and even if you have perfect foresight when doing so. All that really matters is that nothing is so dominant that it suppresses half the classes simply because they have inherently bad match-ups against the dominant deck/class.
And the bad classes wills till be bad after the nerfs,blziz just hates giving tools people need to answer stuff in standard
The nerf to Lorekeeper Polkelt isn't that big of a deal, the main deck it's in (Raza Priest) is just as problematic as before because it's core brokenness hasn't been addressed. Just make Raza the Chained affect only your basic hero power already and be done with it. You can't have a refreshable hero power cost 0 mana. Especially not one that kills everything. Just accept it. Until that gets changed the same exact deck will keep doing the same exact thing in Tier 1 and nothing will touch it. The deck has single-handedly killed off pretty much all control decks since its unnerf and has been doing so before Polkelt was even a thing. Yes, maybe the games won't feel as samey if Polkelt doesn't curve smoothly and has a poor body for cost so it's harder to play out, but that doesn't exactly fix the deck it's problematic in.
Voracious Reader now slots perfectly into Odd Paladin and gets drawn by Crystology which the deck already runs, but that isn't that much of a problem, Odd Paladin hasn't been as dominant as expected. The other deck it fits into is, again, still as broken as before. When your Token Druid opponent can go second and drop their entire hand turn 1, generating a board of 7 minions that faces you for 16 on turn 2, who gives a damn about drawing cards one mana later. There is quite literally no answer to most of Token Druid's early game plays because 0 mana spells like Embiggen in a world of Spellburst cards and Patches is untenable. That goes especially for Gibberling. Voracious Reader's cost going up won't fix the deck's ridiculous built-in highroll.
But the biggest offender of all is missing from the list completely. Just...give Animated Broomstick the Warsong Commander treatment for fuck's sake. How is 1 mana give your whole board Rush acceptable? And that's not even counting the 1/1 Rush body that comes with it. Games should not end turn 3. Because of this thing, they do. It should give one minion rush, at best, or cost way more than 1 mana. Nerfing Animated Broomstick would pretty much solve the Darkglare Warlock problem overnight (or at least nuke its winrate and thus play rate because it would fold to aggro). Losing the ETC OTK wouldn't be that big of a price to pay for getting this little shit out of the game.
Odd pally ahs no ened for reader at all,it has betetr version i divine fuckign favour which ti runs a1off only ANd it woul rather draw its other 1attack miniosn then reader espcially since main power is in tis fuckign hero power and ti runs quite a few expensive cards (3/5mana +) and just BAKU alone makes reader way worse
I 100% beleive the nerfs wont make standard meta any betetr and just worse wiht more classes/decks dead/in gutter in even more unhealthy meta(partially due evolve) cause blizz has no foresight when comes to doign balance chanegs at alll.
As he eagerly waits for the patch to go live, Thrall is cracking his Knuckles.
Watch it dominate casue blizz doesnt ever think ahead with nerfs at all and then watch them nerf a bucnh of classic stuff(like dread corsair) forever instead of nerfing actual problem stuff or doing any buffs/unnerfs for ones that are weak/dead and gonna stay that way regardless of the nerfs.
Id rather get buffs and more tools(in minie xpac) for other classes (liek actual enough control tools like healing or removals so people can get to the old gods vs having basicly 0 (good) ways to defend against aggresion of any kind
Just nerfs (and soly) nerfs arent the solution then evrythign and enrfing dh wont suddnely fx issues some of other classes have and whty theyre bad at all.(warlock,mage,priest and aslo druid for example)
Also for dh the intinate set cards are gonna rotate in few months to wild so thats a thing aswell.
OR unnerfs for other stuff like the galakrond shaman stuff(like eve just 1 and rest with rotation) or fiendirhs rites for walrocks which is already not in a good spot at all aswell
Why sugesttion buff/unnerf ideas for classes that are terribe ebignd wonvoted? guess peopel want to be etrirble adn stay terrible
Or mayeb its the people that go OMG its gonna make mega broken tier 0unstopable as soon see any kind of support at all (odd palyl/secret mage for any support for recruits or any secret support/any secret even fi tis worse version of excisting)
I think blade dance is fine now 100% and are cards that are more much more deserving aof a nerf (bladed lady/skull of guldan)
I just wonder why couldnt put the reasons in the patchnotes like have done in past.
ODD PALLADIN WILL NOT RUN IT AT ALL.
IT has betetr things ot get of crystology, betterr thigns to put in tis deck,betetr draw way betetr in divine favour whcih is a 1off onyl adn to many 3/5+ cost cards in the deck to make reader good an
ONLY ODD deck thats gonan run it at al ins od ddh, odd rogue,odd aplyl nope
Odd palladin will not Run reader at all, it has divien favour which is betetr and is ony a 1off,it has alot of 3/5+ cost cards (inclduing BAKU) that make reader way worse,it cant at all dump its hand as fast as aggro ruid can and it would ratehr draw its current 1attack minions OVER reader with crystology.
Blizz in generla for standard liek to make stuff good and then forgot/dont care/hatever to give ways to deal with at all,or if had ways to deal with nerf it/hof it or just rotate and no replcement for the role at all.
ASLO NERFS SHOULD NOT AT ALL NUKE CARDS , NERFS SHOULD WEAKEN NOT DELETE CARDS
cause blizzard as always are terrible at balance ofc.
Internaly etsted yeah right even if happens if was good their etsting we'd ntoi end up with enrf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf,nerf after nerf constanty.
Blizzard is terrible at balance.
And the bad classes wills till be bad after the nerfs,blziz just hates giving tools people need to answer stuff in standard
Odd pally ahs no ened for reader at all,it has betetr version i divine fuckign favour which ti runs a1off only ANd it woul rather draw its other 1attack miniosn then reader espcially since main power is in tis fuckign hero power and ti runs quite a few expensive cards (3/5mana +) and just BAKU alone makes reader way worse
Not a fan of Uther skin at all
So their winteveil event is cardback being back and 4packs of rewards,
while get more then doube it fre free tomroow (500gold and 5packs)
but still even wihtout that, just 4pack for an event is very ltitle comparred to like any previous event that sint forbidden library.
I 100% beleive the nerfs wont make standard meta any betetr and just worse wiht more classes/decks dead/in gutter in even more unhealthy meta(partially due evolve) cause blizz has no foresight when comes to doign balance chanegs at alll.
Watch it dominate casue blizz doesnt ever think ahead with nerfs at all and then watch them nerf a bucnh of classic stuff(like dread corsair) forever instead of nerfing actual problem stuff or doing any buffs/unnerfs for ones that are weak/dead and gonna stay that way regardless of the nerfs.
Id rather get buffs and more tools(in minie xpac) for other classes (liek actual enough control tools like healing or removals so people can get to the old gods vs having basicly 0 (good) ways to defend against aggresion of any kind
Just nerfs (and soly) nerfs arent the solution then evrythign and enrfing dh wont suddnely fx issues some of other classes have and whty theyre bad at all.(warlock,mage,priest and aslo druid for example)
Also for dh the intinate set cards are gonna rotate in few months to wild so thats a thing aswell.
Tyrande is a thing and the ebst portiat priest ahs(and really only good one) and she has been releeased multiple time sfor free already
But speaking about portaits could mage get one that is a elf(you knwo the mage races) or just somethign else then a human or the like 6th Jaina.
I Do not miss 10gold for 3wins AT ALL it was a horrible horrible system.
and for casual rewards if antyhing id liek to see so can sti get progress towards the 500/1k win portaits in casual arena and dues do aswell
Just a regular winter
Its as toxic as Fukushima
Nah they will still whine about pass casue it isnt 10times more rewards for 10times less effor