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Summoned Skill - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

Competition Theme: Summoned Skill

We're gonna need some backup! Good thing you have these guys to help you out.

  • You must create a minion which summons a minion
    • The minion can be randomly generated or summoned from a specific location like your hand - it's up to you!

MrRhapsody is looking to fill the board this week, so we'd better get to summoning some minions to help out!

As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

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Here are the phases of this card design competition

  • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Nov 2 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sat, Nov 7 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
  • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Nov 7 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sun, Nov 8 16:00 EST (GMT -0500)
  • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Nov 8 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Mon, Nov 9 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
  • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Competition Theme: Summoned Skill

    We're gonna need some backup! Good thing you have these guys to help you out.

    • You must create a minion which summons a minion
      • The minion can be randomly generated or summoned from a specific location like your hand - it's up to you!

    MrRhapsody is looking to fill the board this week, so we'd better get to summoning some minions to help out!

    As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Nov 2 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sat, Nov 7 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Nov 7 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sun, Nov 8 16:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Nov 8 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Mon, Nov 9 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

    Discussion Thread Rules

    No thread rules were added to this season. Please populate and manually edit this thread with them.

  • Winner of the ice sculpting competition at Scholomance for all her years of attending. The icicle sculptures are so lifelike that they look exactly like the real thing.

    Friendly Staff

  • I feel like the prompt is too broad, and when that happens I just don't know what to make. Like if I had infinite Legos; I wouldn't know what to do with myself. So, I'm going back to what seems to work for me: Paladin cards.

    The power of the Light keeps Yrel going, even against impossible odds.

    Friendly

  • Been sitting on this one for a bit.

    To this day I'm salty that some deserving bosses from KofT's PvE didn't get cards (rip Bonestorm) and this is an attempt to ammend that.  Deathwhisper really pushes Priest's Deathrattle synergy by effectively tripling the number of Deathrattle triggers you can get from a card, but it's hard to use it on anything with too abusive. 

  • Summoning minions, you say? I'm really sorry about this.

    Ehem... I'll post something serious tomorrow.

  • Went through my creations and found two cards that kind of fit the bill.

    Art, class, cost, name and stats not final...

     

  • Some idea, probably better than Voidcaller in certain circumstances.

  • Again lots of work this week, but I'll drop this here and would be grateful for feedback. I'll reciprocate as soon as I find the time. Just one thing: Wailor will get 5 stars from me if they submit the Gru card. 

    Darkmoon Rabbit

    I'll have to look for flavorful art (maybe the one KANSAS used for their Street Magician some weeks ago?) and look up the Rabbit lore.

    Question: If the tokens are called "Bunny", does it have to be "Bunnys" or "Bunnies" on the original card? 

  • here is a card I already had made:

    I'll get some feedback out later today.

    Friendly

  • Sorry, anchor, I won't submit the Gru card XD Anyways, here are my ideas so far:

    Feedback:

    Demonxz95

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    Very neat card. I could see it winning.

    linkblade91

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    It's a pretty solid concept, but I think she compares too favorably to stuff like The Glass Knight or C'Thun's Chosen. Not like those cards are any good, but I'd still rise her cost to 5 mana.

    BloodMefist

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    That kinds of effects tend to be a little bit dangerous, especially if they're attatched to cheap minions. Maybe rise her cost and stats accordingly to 4, 5 or 6, dunno.

    TheHoax91

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    Defender of Dalaran is pretty cool, although it may be a bit OP. His watermark should be Rise of Shadows.

    Raeth Ghostsong is a little too complex, probably. Once you understand what he does, it's cool, but it takes a couple seconds to do so.

    fungusABao

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    It's not a bad card, but it doesn't fit Classic, given it "limits design space". Any Year of the Phoenix expansions would fit flavor-wise, so I'd give it one of those, just to avoid Voidlord and similarly dangerous cards.

    anchorm4n

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    Really good flavor, indeed. The only thing I don't like is that it feels weird for a Rare card to summon an Epic one… Maybe if you make it a Class minion, it will feel more natural.

    KANSAS

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    The flavor isn't bad, but I don't like that the effect is too similar to Hench-Clan Hogsteed. Not sure if people won't mind this similarity too much.

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    Demonxz95, I don't know how useful this will be since it gives you a lot of tempo, but "freeze" decks are usually trying to stall for a combo or something. That being said I do like the effect and think it is a good card. 4 stars.

    Linkblade91, I really wouldn't be surprised if you win with this card. It has good flavor, it is powerful, it requires strategic plays, it rewards you for playing in an unusual way. It is a very good card all around. 5 stars.

    BloodMefist, The effect is interesting and pretty cool, but I am really sick of priests getting between 6-12 copies of Convincing Infiltrator/[Hearthstone Card (khartut defenders) Not Found]/Obsidian Statue etc in a single game. So I am not particularly excited by the idea of priests getting to summon even more copies of their already numerous deathrattle/taunt minions.

    TheHoax91, I really like Defender of Dalaran. Spell Damage is one of my favorite mechanics and one which I wish blizzard would do a bit more with. I would tweak the stats/cost some since getting two 2/4s with Taunt on turn 3 is kind of a lot. Maybe make it a 3 mana 1/4, rr a 2 mana 1/3, or a 3 mana 2/3 or something like that.

    FungusABoa, First off, welcome to the site! It is always great to have more users here. About your card, you generally shouldn't use the Classic watermark unless you intend for it to be a classic card. A lot of people don't care much, but some people will rate your card lower if it has an inappropriate watermark. Second, the card is really powerful. In wild this can get you a Voidlord which will absolutely destroy aggro even if it only a 1/1. And in standard this can be a 3 mana Despicable Dreadlord, which is crazy powerful even as a 1/1. I would increase the cost to 4 mana, and have it summon a random demon from your deck, not the highest cost. That way it will be slightly slower and less consistent. But aside from that I love the card. Good job!

    anchorm4n, I really like it. It has good flavor and a strong effect. About the bunny question, I think you should say Bunnies since that is grammatically correct. And about the art, here is the magician art I used as well as another bit of art I had which you may like.

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    Wailor, Personally, I like the shaman card better. I think it could cost 4 mana since it isn't hard to get something big off of it, but it is probably fine at 3 mana. Also, the art could be better. As it is the art doesn't seem to have much connection with the effect. Bolet is a pretty neat card, but a bit harder to evaluate since we don't have a whole lot of poisonous cards in Hearthstone right now. 

    Friendly

  • Thanks a lot, KANSAS! I had saved the second one already as a strong candidate for my card. Now I see the two side by side, I might even use both: one for the normal version, and one as the corrupted. 

  • Feedback! 

    Wailor:

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    Sad face. Of your two new cards, I prefer Bolet. Flavorful and strong, but not OP.

    KANSAS:

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    I like those small cards with a simple design. SMORC and Deathrattle are a natural fit for Hunter, the flavor of KnC is on spot and the missing tribe tag makes it balanced. Nice!

    fungusABao:

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    You should get rid of the default watermark. The card is strong and inovative, but it doesn't fit Warlock very well imho. Summoning Demons from a restricted pool is always hard to balance and this looks too strong as it is.

    TheHoax91:

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    I prefer Defender of Dalaran. It has some nice flavor and is quite strong in the right deck. Why didn't you use the Watermark with the Dalaran/Kirin Tor symbol?

    BloodMefist:

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    I'm not sure if this isn't OP. Making cards like this 3 to avoid combos with The Lich King or Rag is important, but imagine what you could do with Sylvanas or Infiltrator. I'm not sure if there shouldn't be "… of it." at the end of the text.

    linkblade:

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    Sigh. Strong and innovative, as usual. I vote for banning Yrel from these competitions. 5 stars.

    Demon:

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    Nice and simple card, solid work. I like it!

  • Feedback

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    Linkblade91 - I could see this card doing pretty well. It's mechanically interesting and flavorful. It seems going back to Paladin cards may also help you.

    BloodMefist - The card is pretty neat, and while it seems a lot of people agree, it also seems that people are not fans of ways for Priests to get more Convincing Infiltrators. Which I would probably agree with. Honestly, my biggest critique of the card though is that it feels too similar to Disciplinarian Gandling. This would be a really cool card… if it weren't for the fact that Priest has too many annoying ways to abuse this that people don't like.

    Wailor - 10/10 minion card. XD - In all seriousness, I pretty much agree with KANSAS and his opinion of Reminiscence. The art doesn't have much to do with the effect, but the effect is neat and it's a nice warping of traditional Elemental chaining synergies. I am also a fan of Bolet. I don't personally have a preference fo which one is better.

    TheHoax91 - Defender of Dalaran is kinda cool, although it has a bit of a generic name. Contrary to what some people are saying, I'm going to go a whim and say that it's balanced when I look at Sorcerous Substitute. I will also echo what people say about the choice of watermark, although there's nothing *wrong* with the one you have now. Moat Lurker is crying in the corner when I look at Raeth Ghostong. He's a bit of a cool Silence Priest tool, so I like him.

    FungusABao - You've already submitted the card, so there's nothing I can help you with. It's probably not OP though?

    Anchorm4n - To answer your question, the token would say "Bunny" since the token itself a single bunny, whereas the card would say "Bunnies" (in proper grammatical form) since it is referring to the summoning of more than one bunny. The Corrupt effect is pretty cool and flavorful, although one problem the card does suffer from (though to be fair, most real Corrupt cards will also be like this too) is that it isn't very strong when it isn't Corrupted.

    KANSAS - I for one like simple but neat cards, so this card is good enough to me. The flavor is definitely there. I suppose the only thing about it is that it's already very similar to a lot of other Hunter 1-drops which do roughly the same thing (Alleycat, Springpaw, and Wolpertinger specifically). Not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but I'm not sure how other people will feel about it. It's good to me though.

    Friendly Staff

  • Update: Added the art and tokens. They don't fit together perfectly, but I probably won't have the time to look for better art this week. Do you think I should use them as they are or just submit the base card? Any flaws detected? 

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      Update: Added the art and tokens. They don't fit together perfectly, but I probably won't have the time to look for better art this week. Do you think I should use them as they are or just submit the base card? Any flaws detected? 

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      The only thing I can say is that the Bunny token doesn't have the watermark on it. The art for it could be better, but I understand finding good bunny art is probably not very easy

      Friendly Staff
    • Quote From anchorm4n

      Update: Added the art and tokens. They don't fit together perfectly, but I probably won't have the time to look for better art this week. Do you think I should use them as they are or just submit the base card? Any flaws detected? 

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      I'd say the center of the first card should be his chest, not his staff. As it is right now, he doesn't seem to be the main focus of the card, which is a bit weird.

      Other than that, I'd say you're good to go.

  • People voiced concern that Lady Deathwhisper could be abused with the likes of Convincing Infiltrator and Khartut Defender. I thought her being in KofT and thereby never lining up with those cards in Standard would alleviate such concerns, but oh well.  Still, its reasonable that people are annoyed at Priest as is and I don't want to lose points for that.  Sayge goes in an entirely different direction and instead offers another take on fortune telling as a Priest identity.

    Feedback:

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    Demonxz95: I like it. It's pretty hard to make use of a frozen copy since you have to wait an extra turn before you can attack with it (assuming I know my frozen rulings), but it has other interesting applications.  I think lowering the cost and stats to 4 makes it more interesting by increasing its versatility.

    Linkblade91: This is a really interesting idea that feels super on-brand for the character and class.  It'll likely be hard to utilize the deathrattle too much just because divine shield gets in the way, but I like how much it has both players think.  I would prefer a different piece of Yrel art since the HotS one isnt very good imo and feel a bit out of place in Hearthstone (salty about Gazlowe).  Otherwise, I think you got a winning idea here.

    Wailor: I know you said you wouldn't use the Gru one, but with some reflavoring, different art, and scrambled names (Obb, Vinek, Straut or something), you could have a legit entry while still memeing. As for the other two, I think Reminisce is an interesting way to support and Elemental archetype that feels fairly balanced given Elementals typically relying on battlecries.  Bolet, while probably an effective card, isn't too interesting, especially for a legendary.

    TheHoax91: I like Defender of Dalaran the most out of these since it is an interesting and unique way to support spell damage.  That said, I think the stats could be nerfed to 2/3 or 1/4 to prevent too strong of a baseline (also RIP Silverback).  Raeth is pretty interesting, but is too similar to Moat Lurker at the end of the day for me.

    fungusaBao: Card is super spooky given hos strong expensive demons can be.  Enhanced Dreadlord or [Hearthstone Card (Felord Betrug) Not Found] are massive pulls and can create some very swingy early turns with this card.

    anchorm4n: Nice to see Corrupt showing up in a contest.  Love the flavor in this card.  Pre-corrupt already seems pretty good, so I think reducing the stats on the magician to 4/5 or reducing the number of Bunnies summoned to 3 is a good way to lightly tone back the card.

    KANSAS: I think its a bit too similar to other 1 mana 1/1s that summon 1/1s when the die.  I think you could up the attack and cost and replace Charge with Rush to make it stand out a bit more, but this is also not a very exciting or interesting card. 

  • Just throwing out a reminder here: we're looking for a minion that summons a minion, so a spell will get you disqualified!

    Friendly

  • Off of BloodMefist's feedback, I made a 4 mana 4/4 version.

    Which version do you guys prefer? Personally, I learn more towards the 5 mana 5/5.

    Friendly Staff

  • @BloodMefist Is this better, for the art?

    Some quick feedback:

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    BloodMefist - Sayge is quite interesting, telling both players which minion is up next for your opponent. People tend to like that sort of thing; I would go with him(?) over Lady Deathwhisper, for sure. Fits right at home in the next expansion, as well; might even see the "real" version over the coming days haha.

    anchorm4n - If you can't find better Bunny art, I would ignore the token and just submit the Magician. I think we all know what a bunny looks like :P That said it's a 9/9 Neutral card for 7 mana, half of which has Rush, and it can get even better once Corrupted. Might be a tad on the strong side.

    Wailor - I don't find Bolet super interesting, and it seems really annoying to deal with. If you have a minion-based deck, you're basically screwed because Bolet and its spores will clear your threats repeatedly; the Rogue will probably employ some Deathrattle shenanigans, as well, to keep the Poisonous-train rollin'.

    KANSAS - Looks like a premiere one-drop for a class that thrives on aggression. For one less Attack versus Hench-Clan Hogsteed, your card is one Mana cheaper and you get Charge. Granted Racing Minecart is a class card, so it should be better than a Neutral, but it still seems very strong for the time.

    fungusABao - Welcome to OutofCards, and the Fan Creations side of things :D You already submitted, so it's too late now, but I would like to note that you used a Classic watermark when you probably shouldn't have. For some people, like Demonxz95 and myself, that hurts our opinion(s) of the card because it doesn't seem 100% authentic/"real". Nothing is really keeping Impy Summoner from being a Classic card, to be fair, but it probably wouldn't be one.

    TheHoax91 - There's nothing inherently wrong with Defender of Dalaran, per se, but I'm not a fan of it. Seems a little too synergistic with Spell Damage, in-that you can hide the SD minions behind a wall of easily-made Taunts and protect them for further shenanigans next turn. Raeth is fine, but I've seen that effect before.

    Demonxz95 - Moorabi isn't good, but this seems to be way better than him. Unlike Moorabi you can get a minion out without paying for it, and immediately start benefiting if it has Taunt or a Deathrattle. The combo costs the same as Moorabi with Ray of Frost, but you can do it twice. I like the card, don't get me wrong; it's cool and flavorful. I just wonder how strong it is and how consistent it might be with Ray of Frost's Twinspell providing so much cheap Freeze.

    Friendly

  • @linkblade91

    I think that art is much better. Don't have much else to say about the card, it looks great!

  • Thanks to those how gives me feedbacks and welcomes, I actually felt a bit sorry to you guys since I am totally new to this community and never thought you gus will gives out feedbacks in this form-- actually I realized some feedbacks are for me just few hour after I submitted the card (I'll be carefull to heard more feedbacks before I submitte it next time T^T). Even though, I believe I should modifi it a little bit base on those feedbacks, so I made this version of Impy Summoner, hope this version could be a more balanced and flavored (Even though I had already submitted the 'old version' of it....)...

    And I believe I should give some quick feedbacks to you guys too so:

    Demonxz95 -

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    Your card is very good both on the flavor, it is a bit powerful since mage has really cheap Freeze spells like Freezing Potion and Ray of Frost, with a Freeze spell like them, it is a pretty sweet drop. And it also could be used to copy an usefull  frendly minion like Astromancer Solarian, Flamewaker and others. I like the 4-mana version better since gives it more flexibility. Overall, I really like this card, for both the flavor and the ability. :D

    linkblade91 -

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    Thanks for your weIcome! XD I don't have much to say about it, it is a pretty good design– even better after you changed the art. Probably a little bit powerfull than the 'model'? But it's a ledgendary, should be fine, and it works great with the flavor, It's a really good design. :D

    TheHoax91 -

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    Personally, I like the Defender of Dalaran better, just like Spellbook Binder, Master of Ceremonies, and Sorcerous Substitute, not so bad without spell damage and better if you have. And a Rise of Shadow watermark will make it fitts better to the current name and art. For Reath, I think it is a little bit OP and complex, but probably not since he is a priest legendary. :D

    anchorm4n -

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    I love this design! Summon a Darkmoon Rabbit seems to be powerful but fine with a 7-mana Corrupted card. The flavor is great, even though you didn't have the best art that fits it but I still believe it is a great card. One suggestion is on the art of the Un-Corrupted Version, the focus of the art should be on the Magician him self rather than his arm. Other than that, I think you are ready to go. :D

    KANSAS - 

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    Thanks for your welcome! OuO I think the card you made is a really strong 1-mana drop for Hunter, and you used the keyword Charge which makes it more powerfull – even better than Stonetusk Boar in some circumstances. The flavor is pretty good. I think it is generally good as a Hunter rare. :D

    Wailor - 

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    I actually really like the design of Reminisence, but since it isn't a minion so it automate disqualified. Bolet is deadly as a Rogue legendary,  and it fits the feature of Rogue, it is strong, but well balanced. :D

    BloodMefist - 

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    It is a very interesting card, you can get more information about your oppent's deck and benefits. It can be a little bit OP in rare circumstances when you accidentally summoned a copy of Aviana from your opponent's deck by that. But for most of time, this design is really good as a Priest legenary. :D

  • Okay, since Bolet received mixed reviews, I think I will go with a minion version of Reminiscence.

    Alternative names: Living Memory, Déjà Vu Elemental.

    As always, feedback of any kind is very welcome. I'll give more feedback this afternoon.

  • I made two ideas and ill do some feedback Soontm

  • I got some mixed reviews of my card. Some people said they liked the simple design, others said it was too boring, and some people said it was too powerful. I personally don't think it is very OP. If it trades, it is basically an Elven Archer. And when it goes face, it is a Mecharoo +1 damage and with no tribe. So I think it is balanced. However, I did make an alternate version of the card which is hopefully better.

    New card:

    Which do you like better?

    Feedback:

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    anchrom4n, I like it! I do think that the first card could have the art centered better. And I am also not a big fan of the bunny art. If you can't find any good art for the token, then I wouldn't bother submitting it.

    Bloodmefist, I like the design and flavor, but I don't think it would see a whole lot of play in real Hearthstone.

    Demonxz95, I still feel the same way about it. It is a cool card (no pun intended), but any deck running a lot of freeze abilities isn't going to be focused on strong tempo plays. 

    Linkblade91, Personally I think both arts are fine.

    Wailor, I like the name Timeloop Elemental best. I think you could get away with making it 4 mana and making it a 2/2. Other than that though I think the card is pretty good!

    MenacingBagel, Staab the Stabber is immensely OP. Just so so powerful. It is so terribly OP I couldn't imagine it ever being printed. Being able to cheat out any minion from your hand at only 1 mana is just insane. Voidcaller is a 4 mana card with a similar ability and that is a powerful card. Eureka! is a 6 mana card with a similar ability. Being able to get a Scrapyard Colossus on turn 1/2 is just insane. Krual the Infinite Storm however is pretty cool. I always liked cards like Dr. Morrigan and Val'anyr, but they are just too slow to see play. Krual, although slow, feels more impactful and useful.

    Friendly

  • More feedback:

    BloodMefist

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    Sayge is alright, fits Priest very well. At first, she gave me the chills because of her similarity to Barnes, but the only thing that made that guy broken was the relative degree of control you had over what you summon. Overall, I'd say you're good to go.

    Demonxz95

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    I'd say I prefer the 5 Mana version, if only because a 4/4/4 feels worse to play than a 5/5/5 in case the effect doesn't trigger. Might be just me, though. In any case, my rating of the card wouldn't change at all.

    linkblade91

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    I still think your card should cost 5 Mana, but okay. In fact, it's hard to evaluate, since her power level depends on how many times you'll revive her on average. If it's something between 0 and 1, she would be okay I think. If it's higher than that… Kinda OP at 4.

    MenacingBagel

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    Staab the Stabber is too dangerous, IMO, even if his effect feels more "natural". Pulling off a huge minion as soon as turn 2 can be game breaking.

    Krual the Infinite Swarmer is more acceptable, even if it's a bit too complex for my taste. I kinda like the name, too. If you decide to go with it, make sure to capitalize "Deathrattle" at the end of the text.

  • Damn, slow competition for such a simple prompt.  Feedback for this page:

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    Wailor: I like the name Living Memory out of the options.  I think the stats could be raised slightly to 3/3, but otherwise I think it's good to go!

    MenacingBagel: I much prefer Krual over Staab.  Staab is interesting, but it has the potential to be a cheesy early mana cheat for something big and obnoxious while doing nothing else the rest of the game.  Krual is interesting in similar ways, but feels better balanced and is a lot less obnoxious.  I think just calling it 'Krual the Swarmer' sounsd better, 'Infinite Swarmer' is just such a mouthful.

    KANSAS: Definitely prefer the new version to the old.  It feels more flavorful and is much more distinct from existing cards.

  • And just like that, High Exarch Yrel is now a real card :D Guess I can stop making my own versions now...

    Friendly

  • Some late ideas I haved between the insanity of work and studies.





  • Welp, I'm gonna submit this version of Krual fixed the text. (Note I forgot the beast tag here but its in the final version)

    Late feedback for this page:

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    Linkblade: I like Yrel and she seems quite balanced but granted shes a real card now IDK if that will impact the voting for her

    FungunABao I like it it's like that one guy from KnC but less annoying although he could still do some good pulls.

    Wailor: Simple clean I like it.

    KANSAS I like the new one its got good flavor and I like the pseudo rush

    Davan I like the hunter the best since it fits previous incarnations of the summon dudes for your for gimmick

  • You've got about 15 minutes to submit, so better hurry up if you haven't yet :P

    Friendly

  • Good luck to our future finalists :)

    Friendly

  • Guess Krual wasn't up to par I mean I thought he was good alas poor bagel. Well GL to the finalists

  • No love for good old bunny magic either :( 

    Good luck to the finalists! 

  • Well, this is unprecedented: we have ourselves a tie! Congrats to MathU and grumpymonk for breaking our system lol

    Friendly

  • Congrats to MathU and grumpymonk! Well done :-)