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It's that time of year again, in only approximately two months there will be a new year rotation, which will probably bring with it another round of Hall of Fame. What cards do you think will be HoF'd? What cards do you hope will be HoF'd?
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It's that time of year again, in only approximately two months there will be a new year rotation, which will probably bring with it another round of Hall of Fame. What cards do you think will be HoF'd? What cards do you hope will be HoF'd?
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't see the need for HoFing anything right now. I do have some sympathy for people wanting to see Leeroy Jenkins, Divine Favor or Malygos gone and I understand their reasoning well enough. I like those cards and their flavor though and my foremost concern is the question what they would be replaced with. I found the last round of substitutes quite awful and I would hate to see such iconic cards swapped with something like those. Imagine Blizzard HoFing Maly and giving us Brightwing instead...
tl;dr: I don't see the necessity but won't argue as long as there are good substitutes.
Quote From anchorm4n This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't see the need for HoFing anything right now. I do have some sympathy for people wanting to see Leeroy Jenkins, Divine Favor or Malygos gone and I understand their reasoning well enough. I like those cards and their flavor though and my foremost concern is the question what they would be replaced with. I found the last round of substitutes quite awful and I would hate to see such iconic cards swapped with something like those. Imagine Blizzard HoFing Maly and giving us Brightwing instead...
tl;dr: I don't see the necessity but won't argue as long as there are good substitutes.
Preeetty sure Divine Favor is already hall of fame'd.
I agree with the sentiment that nothing really needs to be HoF'd right now.
I found the last round of substitutes quite awful and I would hate to see such iconic cards swapped with something like those.
omg, yeah, they were awful
i think Leeroy Jenkins could be HoF'd, but i hope Nozdormu aka the glitchy boi
Maybe Divine Spirit, although I really think a nerf will do instead of a HoF
Other than that, I think it might be one of those years where there isn't any to HoF.
Divine Spirit please, just get rid of that abomination so maybe Priest can get some buff cards that don't instantly wreck the meta
These discussions are always biased by the state of the game at the end of each year, which is why calls for HoF'ing different cards come in and out of 'fashion'. Remember when Gadgetzan Auctioneer was near the top of most people's lists? Right now Malygos isn't a concern for very many people, but it certainly was last year and I could understand them considering him.
The only card I actually see going though is Divine Spirit, or maybe Inner Fire which is possibly easier to justify since priest is naturally associated with health buffs more than attack buffs. DS is probably the bigger limit on design space however, especially since swapping stats is a priest thing and Crazed Alchemist is in the Classic set anyway, so .DS is by far the better target.
Like many other people I'd be quite happy for a complete priest overhaul in Basic and Classic, but what that would mean for the HoF is a little unclear. It may also be something where we have to be careful what we wish for (I don't want a single resurrection card in priest's evergreen sets, ever!).
This is my hot take on the question.
Innervate should be rotated with the addition that it should be un-nerfed. It hasn't seen play since the nerf and I just really miss utilizing it to it's full potential.
Wild Growth, again with it being un-nerfed. Breath of Dreams powercreeps it so hard now and Wild Growth just feels dead. Un-nerfing it would fit in Wild Non-Dragon Druid decks.
Divine Spirit AND Inner Fire. We all know the combo, it's just not fun on the receiving end.
Acolyte of Pain or any other neutral draw engine. Acolyte has been used in many, many decks to the point where it's "almost" an auto-include. Azure Drake was one of the first cards moved to the Hall of Fame, and it was because it was an auto-include in many decks, why doesn't Acolyte get treated the same way?
Big Game Hunter once again, with him being un-nerfed. I can't recall the last time this guy was relevant, even with Embiggen druid on the ladder he's still not seeing play. Unless I'm just not paying close enough attention.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Leeroy Jenkins should definitely be moved because of the burst damage. Sure it's a fun card to teach new players the appropriate time to play certain cards, but he's frequently been on people's nerves for way too long.
Alexstrasza because that much burst is not fun. If Leeroy is constantly called out for out of nowhere burst damage, Alex should be too.
Malygos hasn't had THAT much of an impact on some metas. But I feel like he limits design space in a way because of the +5 Spell Damage he has. I have a feeling that there were several cards in production and Team 5 said "Wait, Malgos exists, scrap it."
Mountain Giant is the least likely to be moved to the Hall of Fame due to Valdris Felgorge having just been released, but an 8/8 on turn 4 because your opponent has a full hand, of most likely answers to whatever you're about to play, always feels bad. I know Splitting Image Mage has fallen to the way side since Doom in the Tomb, but it still felt horrible to go up against.
A lot of you will probably disagree with me which is fine, but all of above it just opinionated.
Quote From griffior This is my hot take on the question.
Innervate should be rotated with the addition that it should be un-nerfed. It hasn't seen play since the nerf and I just really miss utilizing it to it's full potential.Wild Growth, again with it being un-nerfed. Breath of Dreams powercreeps it so hard now and Wild Growth just feels dead. Un-nerfing it would fit in Wild Non-Dragon Druid decks.
Divine Spirit AND Inner Fire. We all know the combo, it's just not fun on the receiving end.
Acolyte of Pain or any other neutral draw engine. Acolyte has been used in many, many decks to the point where it's "almost" an auto-include. Azure Drake was one of the first cards moved to the Hall of Fame, and it was because it was an auto-include in many decks, why doesn't Acolyte get treated the same way?
Big Game Hunter once again, with him being un-nerfed. I can't recall the last time this guy was relevant, even with Embiggen druid on the ladder he's still not seeing play. Unless I'm just not paying close enough attention.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Leeroy Jenkins should definitely be moved because of the burst damage. Sure it's a fun card to teach new players the appropriate time to play certain cards, but he's frequently been on people's nerves for way too long.
Alexstrasza because that much burst is not fun. If Leeroy is constantly called out for out of nowhere burst damage, Alex should be too.
Malygos hasn't had THAT much of an impact on some metas. But I feel like he limits design space in a way because of the +5 Spell Damage he has. I have a feeling that there were several cards in production and Team 5 said "Wait, Malgos exists, scrap it."
Mountain Giant is the least likely to be moved to the Hall of Fame due to Valdris Felgorge having just been released, but an 8/8 on turn 4 because your opponent has a full hand, of most likely answers to whatever you're about to play, always feels bad. I know Splitting Image Mage has fallen to the way side since Doom in the Tomb, but it still felt horrible to go up against.
A lot of you will probably disagree with me which is fine, but all of above it just opinionated.
Innervate is used in quest druid to complete the quest also to play with Nourish.
Wild Growth I disagree, it's a decent choice off zephyrs. (sorry if I butchered his name)
DS & IF I don't think both need to be HoF only divine spirit, inner fire is good when you can limit how much hp a minion can gain, besides there are other hp/attack flip effects in the game.. and they are fine, divine spirit is the one which is wrong.
Acolyte of Pain- every time he is used differently he is far from auto include.
BGH.. I think he should be buffed to 4 mana.. but he is relevant off zhephyrs.
Alex- a fine candidate for HoF (also I get 3200 dust :D but that's another story)
Malygos- but he costs 9 mana.. how many cards are actually limited by this 9 mana card.. think he is fine cause every time he is played it's a different deck
Mountain Giant - think he is been around for far too long.. time for him to move to HoF, it would give design space to buff handlock even further.
I nominate Leeroy Jenkins for obvious reasons.
edit:fixed a spelling error.. @YourPrivateNightmare
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Quote From YourPrivateNightmare kinky
is the word.. denominate then? I meant that I put him at a staging phase to ban him to HOF
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is the word.. denominate then? I meant that I put him at a staging phase t o ban him to HOF
it's nominate :)
Quote From DoubleSummon Quote From griffior This is my hot take on the question.
Innervate should be rotated with the addition that it should be un-nerfed. It hasn't seen play since the nerf and I just really miss utilizing it to it's full potential.Wild Growth, again with it being un-nerfed. Breath of Dreams powercreeps it so hard now and Wild Growth just feels dead. Un-nerfing it would fit in Wild Non-Dragon Druid decks.
Divine Spirit AND Inner Fire. We all know the combo, it's just not fun on the receiving end.
Acolyte of Pain or any other neutral draw engine. Acolyte has been used in many, many decks to the point where it's "almost" an auto-include. Azure Drake was one of the first cards moved to the Hall of Fame, and it was because it was an auto-include in many decks, why doesn't Acolyte get treated the same way?
Big Game Hunter once again, with him being un-nerfed. I can't recall the last time this guy was relevant, even with Embiggen druid on the ladder he's still not seeing play. Unless I'm just not paying close enough attention.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Leeroy Jenkins should definitely be moved because of the burst damage. Sure it's a fun card to teach new players the appropriate time to play certain cards, but he's frequently been on people's nerves for way too long.
Alexstrasza because that much burst is not fun. If Leeroy is constantly called out for out of nowhere burst damage, Alex should be too.
Malygos hasn't had THAT much of an impact on some metas. But I feel like he limits design space in a way because of the +5 Spell Damage he has. I have a feeling that there were several cards in production and Team 5 said "Wait, Malgos exists, scrap it."
Mountain Giant is the least likely to be moved to the Hall of Fame due to Valdris Felgorge having just been released, but an 8/8 on turn 4 because your opponent has a full hand, of most likely answers to whatever you're about to play, always feels bad. I know Splitting Image Mage has fallen to the way side since Doom in the Tomb, but it still felt horrible to go up against.
A lot of you will probably disagree with me which is fine, but all of above it just opinionated.Innervate is used in quest druid to complete the quest also to play with Nourish.
Wild Growth I disagree, it's a decent choice off zephyrs. (sorry if I butchered his name)
DS & IF I don't think both need to be HoF only divine spirit, inner fire is good when you can limit how much hp a minion can gain, besides there are other hp/attack flip effects in the game.. and they are fine, divine spirit is the one which is wrong.
Acolyte of Pain- every time he is used differently he is far from auto include.
BGH.. I think he should be buffed to 4 mana.. but he is relevant off zhephyrs.
Alex- a fine candidate for HoF (also I get 3200 dust :D but that's another story)
Malygos- but he costs 9 mana.. how many cards are actually limited by this 9 mana card.. think he is fine cause every time he is played it's a different deck
Mountain Giant - think he is been around for far too long.. time for him to move to HoF, it would give design space to buff handlock even further.
I dominate Leeroy Jenkins for obvious reasons.
So you want design space for handlock but without mountain giant? Handlock only existed throughout time cause it could pull a mountain giant early on and free molten giants later with taunt given to them. They already nerfed them and removed them from the game. Only mountain remains. Handlock is just on the brink of playability cause of mountain giant on turn 4. Remove it and say bye to the archetype
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Mountain Giant is the least likely to be moved to the Hall of Fame due to Valdris Felgorge having just been released, but an 8/8 on turn 4 because your opponent has a full hand, of most likely answers to whatever you're about to play, always feels bad. I know Splitting Image Mage has fallen to the way side since Doom in the Tomb, but it still felt horrible to go up against.
Mountain Giant - think he is been around for far too long.. time for him to move to HoF, it would give design space to buff handlock even further.
So you want design space for handlock but without mountain giant? Handlock only existed throughout time cause it could pull a mountain giant early on and free molten giants later with taunt given to them. They already nerfed them and removed them from the game. Only mountain remains. Handlock is just on the brink of playability cause of mountain giant on turn 4. Remove it and say bye to the archetype
I disagree handlock in DoD got a lot of support,
Mountain Giant while very strong is not the cornerstone of the deck, and the deck can function without it as long as it has other tools likeTwilight Drake, healing and aoe.
HoFing Mountain Giant would create a design space to create other powerful cards that care about hand size, without making it that a 4/3 mana 8/8 comes to play too fast, I play hand lock a lot, really like having as many options as I can and then decide the best tool for each situation.. mountain giant is kinda boring at this point.. been playing the card since naxx.
Also it has been proven to be a problematic card back in RoS. so every card with evolve mechanics (which blizzard loves) is problematic with it..
[Hearthstone Card (Leeroy jenkin) Not Found]'s downside is getting less relevant each time the meta becomes faster. The whelps have become a joke now.
As I'm playing wild casual, I haven't seen Leeroy jenkins often. If the standard is having leeroy problem, I guess it's time for him to meet his old (and overpowered) friends (Sylvanas Windrunner, etc.)
Malygos might be not HoF'd, although he does ruins the design rule to make fun cheap spells, I still think its nice to have spell damage +5 minion in the core set. Having him is a still huge downside to design new cards though.
I am all for sending Malygos to the Hall of Fame. All of the direct damage spells that have been printed in the last two years or so have all been restricted to minions only because of malygos. We cannot have cheap face damage spells because malygos would turn them into an OTK. So, if we are going to stop printing cards that can be used with malygos, why is he even around?
Quote From KANSAS I am all for sending Malygos to the Hall of Fame. All of the direct damage spells that have been printed in the last two years or so have all been restricted to minions only because of malygos. We cannot have cheap face damage spells because malygos would turn them into an OTK. So, if we are going to stop printing cards that can be used with malygos, why is he even around?
Just about the only two classes that ever uses Malygos consistently is rogue and druid, mostly because they are the only two classes that cheats mana consistently.
Most spells dont allow face to be targeted not because of Malygos but because face targeting spells are innately good given that you can have two copies of the spell and there's only 30 health to chip off to victory. Nether Breath is a good example. Malygos is hardly the reason why this card sees consistent play.
He does cost 9 mana, so its not easy to use Malygos to begin with. One of the classes that can very well use him is hunter, and malyhunter is still a long way away from being tier 1-2.
Finally, I think team5 already addressed this earlier where they say Malygos tends to encourage creative deckbuilding. I don't think its going anywhere.
I can see Mountain Giant going, they will probably murder another priest win condition ane replace it with a meme card so IF/DS will go. And this is personal hope: Mind Controll Tech I hate the swingyness of that card in every fiber of my being. It especially with the shaman quest existing..
Like most Priest-Mains, I hope that the Devs Overhaul the Base Sets of that Class. Imo, they should get rid of Inner Fire and give Priest more Cards that interact with Minion-Health.
About Leeroy Jenkins: As much as I hate Aggro/Burn, I don't think HoFing Leeroy would be healthy for the Game. There's a lot of Players that enjoy aggressive Decks. And since the removal of this Card would be pretty much a Death Sentence to Aggro, said Players would be frustrated/feel alienated.
I don't really understand why people want to HoF Malygos.
Has Malygos ever been oppressive? It's never been regularly in the meta. At best, it's probably been top tier for short periods of time.
Even if a Malygos deck is to appear in the meta, what's wrong with it? What's wrong with Combo wincon in general (one should be much more concerned by which Control tools a Combo deck can effectively use in their deck)?
Sure, he forces the devs to pay attention in printing cheap spells that can target face, but is it even a problem?
I mean, there's currently no Malygos deck in Wild meta at the moment, even if we have a much larger pool of spells. Like, not just no Malygos on top tiers, but no Malygos at all. It's off-meta.
I could understand HoFing Leeroy Jenkins, but vaguely tbh. He's just a fairly recurring card, but people notice him just just because it kills them. If Leeroy wasn't a finisher, less people would point at him.
My personal bet for HoF is just on Divine Spirit.
Send MC Tech to the HOF! I shouldn’t lose the game because I decided to play 4 minions
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