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Will they move Whizbang to the Classic set?

I'm not the first person to suggest this, but I think it's likely and would be a good move. For newer players and players with smaller collections, Whizbang is an easy way to play decks that are at least decent (no, I haven't thoroughly vetted all the recipes, but I imagine some are okay?), and can help with figuring out deck types and play-styles you like before making crafting choices. Also, with the recent addition of SN1P-SN4P to Boomsday, they will have pre-emptively replaced the missing neutral legendary from that set.

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  • I'm not the first person to suggest this, but I think it's likely and would be a good move. For newer players and players with smaller collections, Whizbang is an easy way to play decks that are at least decent (no, I haven't thoroughly vetted all the recipes, but I imagine some are okay?), and can help with figuring out deck types and play-styles you like before making crafting choices. Also, with the recent addition of SN1P-SN4P to Boomsday, they will have pre-emptively replaced the missing neutral legendary from that set.

    • Quote From Pezman

      I'm not the first person to suggest this, but I think it's likely and would be a good move. For newer players and players with smaller collections, Whizbang is an easy way to play decks that are at least decent (no, I haven't thoroughly vetted all the recipes, but I imagine some are okay?), and can help with figuring out deck types and play-styles you like before making crafting choices. Also, with the recent addition of SN1P-SN4P to Boomsday, they will have pre-emptively replaced the missing neutral legendary from that set.

      So the thing is, and you can already see it with Zayle Shadowcloak, that they are just going to print more cards that are similar to Whizbang. These “deck cards” can be used in the future as an incentive to buy packs at least once every standard rotation. Whizbang will probably be the best (IMO) because it had access to all the classes and their recipes whereas Zayle only has access to the league of evil classes..... which made me just realize that they’ll probably print another card for the Eplorers decks.

    • Quote From doingtheobvious

      Moving Whizbang to Classic would mean having to update that card for as long as the game receives updates.

      Yep, that will make impossibile for those cards to remain in Standard forever.

      Imho, they should print one card with the same mechanic every 3 or so expansions, so there will always be one on each rotation and new players with small collections may mess around a bit with those decks.

    • As far as I'm aware the Whizzbang deck recipes are the same ones the game recommends to you when you open the deck-building tab, except for the "classic" one which is always the same. Unless they'd stop suggesting new themed decklists with every release there isn't much added work in having Whizz copy those lists, so that's not really an argument against the card.

       

      Personally I think it'd be a great move for F2P/casual players, but I suppose the counterpoint from the business side is that Whizzbang makes actually collecting cards even less important. You can't add your own stuff to a whizzbang deck, so if all you're playing is Whizzbang why even have a collection?

       

      Even if they don't make Whizzbang evergreen I do expect blizzard to continue to print cards like him, Elysiana, both Elises and Prince Malchezaar, not to mention discover effects in general that allow casual players to experience cards they don't own.

       

      I've always felt that that is one of Hearthstone's biggest stengths compared to other (paper) card games.

    • Quote From doingtheobvious

      Moving Whizbang to Classic would mean having to update that card for as long as the game receives updates. Team 5 can barely muster up enough interest to do anything with Wild, why would they pore that much effort into a single card?

      Whizzbang doesn't have it's own set of decks. Adding whizzbang to your deck just chooses one of the pre-made deck recipes (except the classic one) There would be zero effort required on Blizzards part to make it classic. They just need to continue with themed deck recipes each expansion.

       

      To prove that, Whizzbang has already "updated" twice for RR and RoS as Whizzbang was added in Boomsday.

       

    • Quote From doingtheobvious

      Moving Whizbang to Classic would mean having to update that card for as long as the game receives updates. Team 5 can barely muster up enough interest to do anything with Wild, why would they pore that much effort into a single card?

      What? They literally have to do nothing to keep him up to date. He simply uses the deck recipes that are in the game since day one and are getting updated since the very first expansion

      • Quote From doingtheobvious
        Quote From Dandy

        What? They literally have to do nothing to keep him up to date. He simply uses the deck recipes that are in the game since day one and are getting updated since the very first expansion

        If doesn't matter if they could, they are not going to. If they were going to, then why print Zayle, Shadow Cloak which effectively does the same but shuffles out of Standard on another year?

        They want those cards to have a limited lifespan, it's part of their intended design. 

        It matters a great deal if that's the reason you presented for Blizzard not moving Whizzbang. If you want to change your argument now that it's been refuted, that's fine, but at least have the decency to acknowledge you were wrong before shifting those goalposts.

      • Quote From doingtheobvious
        Quote From Dandy

        What? They literally have to do nothing to keep him up to date. He simply uses the deck recipes that are in the game since day one and are getting updated since the very first expansion

        If doesn't matter if they could, they are not going to. If they were going to, then why print Zayle, Shadow Cloak which effectively does the same but shuffles out of Standard on another year?

        They want those cards to have a limited lifespan, it's part of their intended design. 

        With the difference that Zayle uses decks specially designed for the card. Whizbang simply uses a random deck recipes, which, as I mentioned already, are updated with every expansion and sometimes inbetween anyway.

        If they want a certain lifespan for a card it's possible it's gonna rotate, but to keep it active they literally have to do nothing but putting it in the classic set, without any work else as you said in your first post.

  • If Zayle is any indication, it's likely that they will just continue printing new Whizbang-style cards every so often.

    It's a much more efficient way to achieve the same result.

    • Quote From FortyDust

      If Zayle is any indication, it's likely that they will just continue printing new Whizbang-style cards every so often.

      It's a much more efficient way to achieve the same result.

      Efficient is not a way I would describe such action.. It's by no means efficient if anything it's clunky what they should have done is to give every single new player whiz bang after a milestone "have all classes at level 20" or something similar, make the card part of a reward set which should be reintroduced idk why they removed the whole set( I know why they wanted to remove murkeye though).

      And that's a really good move, you have a card that new players can experiment with once they got to know the classes and removed the need to print a card every year with the same effect.

      The current owners of whizbang will get 1600 dust or 3200 once they complete said quests I would say a golden whizbang is given to players with all classes at level 60.

      I mean that's the logical solution, but I know blizzard will not do that and will create a new one every year/2 years.. 

  • Whizzbang cannot rotate out easily, because recipes are standard only decks that will find no place in wild. If Whizzbang goes to wild, he will be more useless then Milhouse Manastorm. Either they move Whizzbang to classic (and we still need to replace Ragnaros and Sylvanas), or they start making recipes for wild format. I bet they'll choose the first.

    • Quote From Synesthesy

      Whizzbang cannot rotate out easily, because recipes are standard only decks that will find no place in wild. If Whizzbang goes to wild, he will be more useless then Milhouse Manastorm. Either they move Whizzbang to classic (and we still need to replace Ragnaros and Sylvanas), or they start making recipes for wild format. I bet they'll choose the first.

      Brightwing and  Whitemane wants to talk with you. But you are right that Whizbang would be useless, when he is rotating out.

      • Quote From Yusuke
        Quote From Synesthesy

        Whizzbang cannot rotate out easily, because recipes are standard only decks that will find no place in wild. If Whizzbang goes to wild, he will be more useless then Milhouse Manastorm. Either they move Whizzbang to classic (and we still need to replace Ragnaros and Sylvanas), or they start making recipes for wild format. I bet they'll choose the first.

        Brightwing and  Whitemane wants to talk with you. But you are right that Whizbang would be useless, when he is rotating out.

        I disagree with both of you. Whizbang will always be wonderful.

        Even if Whizbang the Wonderful is moved from standard to wild he would still serve a very niche purpose. If you have friends that love standard and want to check out new standard decks but can't afford to fork over tons of cash or game coin then both players can battle against each other in wild format using Whizbang the Wonderful. That being said I do hope they rescue him from the wild format.

        • Quote From ArcticFox

          Even if Whizbang the Wonderful is moved from standard to wild he would still serve a very niche purpose. If you have friends that love standard and want to check out new standard decks but can't afford to fork over tons of cash or game coin then both players can battle against each other in wild format using Whizbang the Wonderful. That being said I do hope they rescue him from the wild format.

          I would like to agree with you, but you forget one thing that in Wild Whizbang the Wonderful feels displaced. He offers you standard decks and wild is not the right enviroment for standard decks, except they add also wild receipts, then I would like to see him there.

  • A nice idea, and I would have said "no" if it wasn't for the buffs that just happened. granted there is a bundle tied in with the event, so this makes sense from a business standpoint. 

    I think if they can build some kind of event around putting whizbang into standard where they can sell bundles, it might happen.

    As people have pointed out though, the card will require work from team 5 indefinitely if this was to be the case. I really don't know how it will be handled. Maybe we will just see similar cards in the future. I really just don't know. 

    • Quote From Skarsnik

      As people have pointed out though, the card will require work from team 5 indefinitely if this was to be the case. I really don't know how it will be handled. Maybe we will just see similar cards in the future. I really just don't know. 

      Deck recipes existed before Whizzbang, it's a feature Blizzard want to keep going with or without Whizz.

  • I was thinking about this recently, and in all honesty I think the introduction of SN1P-SN4P makes it much more likely that they want to move Whizbang to Classic.  Think about it...

    They created and released a whole new Neutral legendary in the set that includes Whizbang, and Whizbang's whole functionality revolves around the current Standard deck recipes.  Sn1p could have very well just been some fun addition as part of an in game event, OR maybe they chose a new neutral legendary mech to tie into the event theme and seamlessly integrate a new legendary to take Whizbang's place in the set?

    To me the only real question is: Does Whizbang move to Classic, or does he become a reward in the Basic set for unlocking all the cards or reaching some other goal?  Honestly I would say it'll become Classic so they don't have to figure out dust refunds for players.  I also kind of hope he'll get moved to be a reward in the Basic set and be renamed "Harth Stonebrew" with new art of the Innkeeper.  It honestly just makes sense, and we've seen them due a "rebrand" of a card already ([Hearthstone Card (Succubus) Not Found] into Felstalker)

  • Blizzard is a company that operates on profits. If they make Whizzbang part of the evergreen set, and keep updating the deck recipes, they slowly reduce their returns as time goes on. Why buy packs when you can just play Whizzbang every expansion? But, if they introduce a new Whizzbang, like Zayle, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be profitable and accommodating to new players

  • They could introduce cards that replace you hero, hero power and card with brand new classes in the future, it would save them ever having to add new classes like Monk and DK. People could just add the new type of hero card to their deck along with other spells and minions and at the start of each game they get a random selection of cards, spells replace spells, minions replace minions of the same quality etc. their hero changes to that of the new class along with the hero power at the start of the game too and provides 5 armor to compensate for the lack of having that 30th card.

    This kind of setup allow for some deck-building based around number of spells and minions as well as minion rarity type, so if you know all the possible cards and their rarities you could technically build a better deck. Just make their hero power more balanced than that of past death knights.

  • First of all, they should ensure Whizzbang is updated continuously, hardcoding his recipes with those provided at each expansion.

    At that point, it surely makes sense the inclusion into Classic. It'd be actually a mandatory move, since Standard lists in Wild is quite silly anyway (independently of the real power).

    Additionally, if you think the other way around, let's say they stop updating him with new lists: they should come up with additional (Wild) lists to give him, once and forever, instead of simply using the new recipes they would produce anyway.

    On the other hand, an eternal Whizzbang in full power tends to make cards like [Hearthstone Card (zayle the cloak) Not Found] less appealing.

    Unless they make the new Zayles more differentiated from the recipes given on expansion release.

    Maybe the best move for them is including Whizzbang in Classic, but then limit his lists to the Classic ones. That way new players go for Whizzbang (it could even be given as freebie on game start or soon after), while older players would go for Zayles and its derivations (purchasing adventures).

    • Quote From RavenSunHS

      Additionally, if you think the other way around, let's say they stop updating him with new lists: they should come up with additional (Wild) lists to give him, once and forever, instead of simply using the new recipes they would produce anyway.

      On the other hand, an eternal Whizzbang in full power tends to make cards like zayle the cloak less appealing.

      Actually an interesting idea to rotate Whizbang and give him 9 or 18 popular wild decks, f.e. Big Priest, Jadedruid, Kingsbanerogue, Piratewarror, Freezemage and so on. So they could promote for wild a bit him. And they can still produce other cards in adventures like Zayle, because currently Zayle is inferior to Whizbang at all.

  • I don't know if they will move Whizbang the Wonderful to Classic, but I would love it if they did and it would be a really nice thing to do (especially for new players/players with smaller collections).

  • No, they will reprint and resell it instead.

    • Fair enough

    • Quote From Farenough

      No, they will reprint and resell it instead.

      You joke, but they've already done this by printin Zalye shadow cloak, so I think it's safe to assume they won't make him evergreen

  • They needed a reasonable reward for the Dalaran Heist that is not influencing the meta by any means. Zayle was perfect for that. Locking a relevant card behind 2800 gold would be outrageous for players that have no interest in single player content.

    I don‘t think he ever was intended as a Whizbang replacement. The timing would be totally stupid. Zayle has become irrelevant already and there are still almost 8 months before Whizbang rotates.

    I doubt that Whizzbang is influenzing Blizzards profits aswell. He is available for allmost 2 full years. People won‘t start buying more packs next year just because Whizbang rotates. 

    And the guys, claiming that new players need no collection when they have whizzbang... you‘re joking right? He‘s a demo at best. Fun for a couple days but a 1/18 chance for your favorit deck sucks!

    Impossible to predict what Blizzard will do. They never moved a card to classic, that makes it unlikely. But if any card ever had a chance, it‘s defintily Whizbang the wonderfull! New player experience is a hot topic for HS and this card is three steps inthe right direction. 

    Sorry for the long comment o.O

  • I won't be surprised if they print another version of Zayle with all the good guy classes as a reward for this expansion's adventure, as opposed to Zayle itself, which contains the classes that make the League of E.V.I.L.

    But as for Whizbang, I agree that he should be moved to classic. He is evergreen, and uses deck recipes that exist in-game. I just don't know what's a good move for Blizzard in their perspective.

  • As for Zayle, Shadow Cloak, he has a smaller amount of decks that were not provided by Whizbang the Wonderful.  As I mentioned once before in this thread, if they move him and want to keep the same number of 23 legendary minions in the Boomsday Project set, they already accomplished this by introducing SN1P-SN4P.  Seeing as SN1P is the only random legendary addition to a set (not counting recent Classic set additions to replace HoF cards), it really leads me to believe they put him in the game as a planned replacement come April 2020 when Whiz moves to Classic.

    As far as the "it'll hurt their profits" argument, it will ALSO be great for new players if Whiz is made Classic (or maybe even the final Basic reward card for unlocking all cards on all classes?).  And I've continually seen veteran players complain on sites like this how Blizzard caters to new Hearthstone players and doesn't care about long time players.  So why wouldn't they make a change to always allow new players an easy option to play new Standard constructed decks without having a large collection?  And ultimately, bringing in new players and keeping fringe players going by always giving them the Whizbang option should theoretically help get more profits in the long run.  Larger player base = larger base of potential spenders.

  • Most likely not. They introduced Zayle, Shadow Cloak in the first expansion of the year. They are probably trying to set some sort of trend to allow themselves to release these types of cards at least once a year.

    If they were evergreened, that would basically mean fewer packs sales because players are getting free, okayish decks to play with

  • Well it would be kinda cool if they would add him to classic but i think this will not happen. I guess it is more likely that they will print other cards with the same or similiar effect like they did with Zayle !

  • Is there a way to close a thread? I started this one over 2 months ago, and I'm very pleased with the discussion it generated. At this point, people are just repeating what others have already said, sometimes several times over. I think folks ought to read through the whole thread before posting, but in this case, can we just shut it down? There won't be anything new to say until Blizzard announces any change to Whizbang, if they ever do.

    • Quote From Pezman

      Is there a way to close a thread? I started this one over 2 months ago, and I'm very pleased with the discussion it generated. At this point, people are just repeating what others have already said, sometimes several times over. I think folks ought to read through the whole thread before posting, but in this case, can we just shut it down? There won't be anything new to say until Blizzard announces any change to Whizbang, if they ever do.

      True, but the forums are not having high enough traffic or anything I don't see anything wrong if some people have debates or anything important to say.. 

    • Quote From Pezman

      Is there a way to close a thread? I started this one over 2 months ago, and I'm very pleased with the discussion it generated. At this point, people are just repeating what others have already said, sometimes several times over. I think folks ought to read through the whole thread before posting, but in this case, can we just shut it down? There won't be anything new to say until Blizzard announces any change to Whizbang, if they ever do.

      Just PM one of the mods, they could help you with it :)

  • My reason might be totally selfish then. Since I'm the one who started the thread, I get notifications every time someone posts to it.

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