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Numerical Value - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

Competition Theme: Numerical Value

It's time to mix it up! Swap in them beats and change the flow. [Insert additional music reference here]

  • You must design a card that can swap the numbers around on itself.
    • You can switch Attack and Health, Attack and Cost, numbers in the text; whichever works, so long as something is causing them to be mixed up.
    • Examples include: "Harmonic/Dissonant" cards like Harmonic Disco, "Worgen" cards like Swift Messenger, etc.

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Competition Phases

Here are the phases of this card design competition

  • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Apr 10 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Apr 15 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
  • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Apr 15 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Apr 16 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
  • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Apr 16 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Apr 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
  • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Competition Theme: Numerical Value

    It's time to mix it up! Swap in them beats and change the flow. [Insert additional music reference here]

    • You must design a card that can swap the numbers around on itself.
      • You can switch Attack and Health, Attack and Cost, numbers in the text; whichever works, so long as something is causing them to be mixed up.
      • Examples include: "Harmonic/Dissonant" cards like Harmonic Disco, "Worgen" cards like Swift Messenger, etc.

    Ready for Festival of Legends to begin? Icefiremage would have us search for a new rhythm!

    As always, we can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Apr 10 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Apr 15 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Apr 15 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Apr 16 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Apr 16 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Apr 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

    Discussion Thread Rules

    No thread rules were added to this season. Please populate and manually edit this thread with them.

    Friendly Staff

  • In reality, what are harpies but just the aerial equivalent of nagas? (hehe)

    The balancing of the spell requirement is... tricky to say the least.

    Friendly Staff

  • The cost and stat-line amount to a few things:

    1. The 4/7/7 meme is alive and well.
    2. Equipping Doomhammer on turn 5 costs you two Overload, so you'll only have 4 Mana to spend on turn 6.
    3. At the bare minimum, it's still better than Pit Crocolisk.
    Friendly

  • Combine it with Poison spells to get a gigantic weapon.

    (For reference, combining it with a Deadly Poison will grant a 4/3 weapon)

  • Here's my first idea. The flavor is nice, but it might be a bit unoriginal, so I intend to come up with a second option.

    Edit: As promised, here's something a little more interesting. I'm open for suggestions.

    I'm back! Didn't mean to go silent for so long. I don't always feel like joining feedback and decided I don't need to participate every week... Cue me not having a lot of inspiration for the prompts and skipping multiple weeks in a row, which I might regret once the season is over. Then I got a little busy irl, so my break took longer than expected. Still submitted a few decent cards in the meantime.

  • Here's my first idea:

     

    SN1P-SN4P found a very versatile friend!

    P0NG's art is a placeholder for now. I'm trying to find another piece I've used earlier, but no success so far. If anyone happens to know where it's hiding, I'd be grateful for a pointer.

    Alternate P0NG art (ignore the rest)

  • A quick idea. Only the non-italic values swap with each cast.

  • Feedback:

    Demonxz95
    Very solid card. I like that it's not completely unreasonable in its base form (I mean, it isn't worse than Felsoul Inquisitor).

    The requirement of 4 spells is also balanced, I think. Sure, a class with 0-Cost spells could play it on turn 1, but it's not that much better than the old Innervate + Chillwind Yeti, so yeah.

    The main problem I see is how similar it is to linkblade's card; I hope you two don't end up stepping in each other's toes. Not sure if this'll be an issue for other people (it isn't for me).

    linkblade91
    I like the oddly specific synergy with Doomhammer. That weapon needs to be at least playable, considering how relevant it is in the lore.

    The card seems balanced enough, and I appreciate the thought you put into the exact numbers you ended up using.

    I'm not a fan of the name (sounds a bit lame to me) and there's also the issue of it having a similar gimmick as Demon's card, although I'm not sure if it'll actually give you trouble.

    AeroJulwin
    As you said, it's a pretty simple card. I like it, but I don't see it winning.

    Also, consider making it a Rager.

    anchorm4n
    Also swapping keywords is a cool idea, but I think it's a bit too strong. Each form powecreeps Zilliax and Annoy-o-Module, respectively, which is a bit concerning if we consider how strong the former used to be.

    Finally, the alternate artwork for P0NG is much better, IMO. I'd even use it as the art for P1NG, as it's better quality and seems to reflect Rush better than Taunt.

    Neoguli
    Probably my favorite card of the thread.

    My only (small) issue with it is the watermark, as it doesn't seem to belong to FoL. The flavor doesn't have anything to do with music and the way it combines the swap and "ammo" mechanics feels like it's from a later expansion where they decide to revisit these concepts.

  • Feedback

    Demon
    I like the concept, but its early-game potential as a difficult-to-remove Windfury minion scares me. May I suggest making the requirement be Mana spent on spells instead? That still makes you work up to it and encourages you too use it in a spell-heavy deck so you can play it early when it's extra valuable, but prevents it from being played on turn 3/4.

    linkblade
    I personally don't like how direct this synergy is. Printing a card for the sole purpose of increasing the value of an older card doesn't sit right with me. I know Doomhammer is suppose to be a special card, but I just think there's better ways through maybe a hero attack synergy or printing a new version the same way we're used to from the legendary dragons. Other than that it's a well balanced card. Potentially high value, but can't be played too early.

    Wailor
    I like its functionality. It seems fun and something you could use to your advantage, although I'd argue that doesn't warrant it to be a Legendary. My only concern is that as far as poisons are concerned Swinetusk Shank was probably better, since it gains an extra stat-point for each poison played, while this doesn't.

    anchorm4n
    P0NG being identical to Annoy-o-Module is something I have an issue with. And I agree with Wailor that these are quite powerful. A good solution to set them apart from Annoy-o-Module and Zilliax could be to reduce their stats + cost (2-cost with half stats seems like the most viable option?) That would reduce their base value and thus focus more on using them as Magnetic upgrades.

    Neoguli
    I appreciate how you used both new mechanics. The art is great, but as Wailor mentioned, it doesn't fit the expansion that well. I would like for it to stay in FoL because of the new mechanics, but I know art for this expansion is somewhat difficult to come by, so putting it in a different expansion is justifiable. Most certainly since the mechanics have evolved beyond "each turn" and "3 left". For the same reason it should at least be put in the mini-set for FoL.

    Also, "2 Arrows left" makes this effectively a Twinspell. That's not a problem, it's like Echo and "Repeatable this turn". My issue with it is that it says "Swaps with each cast" while it will only ever swap once…

    • @AeroJulwin - so the number on "[x]" left!" is the number of total uses? I thought it was the number of additional uses. :D

      @anchorm4n - I wanted to find art of multiple arrows like a scatter shot, but to no avail. Maybe finding gun art will ease the task.

  • I'll chime in with some feedback:

    Neoguli
    Neat idea! For some reason my brain keeps telling me this should be a rare and the art isn't a 100% match as you can see the "leaf arrow", but only one character gets hit. Still a solid 4 star contender for me.

    AeroJulwin
    The Priest card looks really cool, but you'd need a token with a different art piece for it (or rather find a new art piece for "Harmonic" and use your current one for "Dissonant"). I agree about the shark not being overly exciting. Also thanks for your feedback, I found it to be very useful!

    Wailor
    Amazing design, I really like it. Strong 5 star vibes for me, I'll need to see the rest of the field first though.

    linkblade91
    Ooof this will be hard to rate. Creativity and design = 5 stars. Playability in the actual game? Horrible. You'll probably get 4 stars from me because you made me smile.

    Demonxz95
    This is in a weird place between stage 1 having a super hard to meet condition and stage 2 being absolutely busted. Have you considered giving it 2 or 3 attack / cost? That might make it easier to balance.

  • Feedback time. It's hard to feel the motivation to do this when so few people are part of this now, but here I go. I think maybe I'll change Cobalt Harpy to be 8 mana worth of spells.

    Wailor
    I do like the weird plays and stat values this card can probably produce and I think it's probably a fun design, so good job.

    AeroJulwin

    Beach Lurker is amusing, but I would probably agree that I don't think something like this is particularly likely to win the competition.

    Harmonic Melody is a cooler design, even though Priest does already have a Harmonic card.

    Anchorm4n
    I appreciate the "ping-pong" pun (ping pong pung?), as well as the mini-Zilliax vibes of the card. Great job.

    Neoguli
    Decent card in concept, but as noted, it should be 3 arrows.

    Friendly Staff

  • Going to leave this revamped version here for future feedback.

    Friendly Staff

  • You've got 24 hours left everybody!

    Friendly Staff

  • Not entirely happy with the art for the harmonic version of my card, but at least it fits the harmonic/dissonant transition perfectly, so I stuck with it anyways.

    In retrospect it would have been nice if the prompt allowed for you to swap stats of/with other cards as well, since the design space ended up a little tight in my experience.

  • 3:33:33 left to vote for your favorites before the finals! Good luck everyone.

    Friendly

  • Congratulations to Loknax! Two in a row if I'm not mistaken.

    Friendly

  • Congrats to Loknax! Actually three in a row if you're counting the April Fool's competition. Nice card and a good example for the fact that the spirit of the card is more important than a perfect execution (the last line should have been written in italic). I also found the artwork very impressive and fitting.