Legends of Runeterra

Was trying to create a nightfall deck that used the warning shots and rex from bilgewater, and came up with this, what do you guys think?

Hola al que este leyendo esto, abro foro para saber si existe algun server para jugadores de LOR de latam o si alguien le interesa la formacion de uno, seria asombroso el poder conversar del meta con jugadores de la region

Early burn has definitely been  nerfed but Yasuo / Swain combo just keeps popping up it’s like every 3rd match. Now I only see Karma every 15 games or so. What are people using to deal with them? Maybe once the new cards drop they will be easier to deal with. 
I dropped a ruination to wipe the broad after he was out of mana next turn dropped Hec who immediately got stunned. And then he summoned Legion General.

 Nox just feels very strong.

With Risen Mists coming out, I was trying to brainstorm how to build around Mistwraiths...which made me realize I didn't know exactly how some things worked out, so I jumped into the client to test them out.  Here are my observations in case anyone is interested:

• Mist's Call and Chronicler of Ruin on a Mistwraith works exactly like you'd expect: it plus every other Mistwraith goes up +1/+0.
• The aforementioned also work on Wraithcaller (assuming you hit allegiance). In other words, its allegiance acts like a conditional "when summoned". I don't know if all allegiances work like that; I have a vague memory of it not working for a different card.
• For both L2 Kalista and The Harrowing, it will not factor in the buff when calculating what is "strongest"--in other words, Mistwraith is just a 2/2 in the rez pool even though it instantly increases when it hits the battlefield. However if either of these effects pulls a 4/3 Wraithcaller--which is obviously a much more achievable target--that will in turn summon a new non-ephemeral Mistwraith similar to how The Rekindler works.
• If you run out of board space--e.g., The Harrowing created an ephemeral Wraithcaller in your 6th slot, so there's no room for the Mistwraith it summons--your Mistwraith is obliterated, but its brief presence does seem to "count" towards your global buff.

In summary: if you want to make a concerted effort to embiggen your wraiths, I think you are looking to focus on Wraithcallers.

I'm curious about what you think about Zephyr Sage finally getting probably the best shot at being competitive. Thanks to Revitalizing Roar, you can easily create infinite Zephyrs without having to sacrifice as many card slots, allowing you to include more options. Just get to 10 Mana and boom, you can start spamming. Just be ready to save Deny in case the enemy plays Ionia, which is rare nowadays.

On its initial announcement, I think it was kind of hard to judge what the sets vs. expansions would look like. Riot said each region would get new cards each expansion, but they made it clear that new champions and cards would be spread out unevenly across the set. What was clear, though, was that:

• The full set is going to be 169 cards
• Each set today has 63 cards (except for Bilgewater, which has 62)
• If Targon gets a total of 76 cards in this set, that leaves ~13 for each of the other seven regions, which works out to ~76 cards per region

At this point they've revealed 50 of the upcoming 89 cards, including five of the seven champions. So far, Targon has 21 of those cards, with two of the champions. It seems reasonable to expect the remaining two champions to be from Targon, with a new Targon champion and two other region's champions in each subsequent expansion. Each new champion typically to get about eight or nine supporting cards.

With all that in mind, it seems logical to expect that Targon will get about 30 more cards in this expansion, and then another ~10 in each subsequent expansion (one champion plus supporting cards) so that when this is all said and done, each region gets to that ~76 card total. If all this is correct, that means the remaining four regions (Bilgewater, Demacia, P&Z, and Noxus) will be left dividing up about 10 new cards in this expansion.

Obviously this is a bit of speculation, but if those numbers are all basically right, then I'm honestly a bit shocked at this approach to releasing cards. In any other CCG, I would have expected a more even distribution across existing regions (at least of the non-champion cards). Specifically in the context of Riot's announced plans, I would have expected something more like Hearthstone's adventure content (most recently, "Galakrond's Awakening") in which each region gets about the same number of cards in each set, but a lower number than in a full set. I assume the reason here is that so many of the new cards tie back to champions, so they have to be released in tandem.

Maybe others don't mind that - Targon will certainly offer a lot of new content to pair with existing regions - but it seems like a bummer for anyone who likes to play any of these (presumably) neglected regions. For example, there might be a new Ezreal deck that uses Targon Gems to trigger the OTK, or there might be a new Lux Control deck that is excited to see cards like Sunburst and Bastion. But ultimately what is most likely to come out of this first expansion for those (presumably) neglected regions is a little bit support for a lot of old play patterns. The set of tools players will have to meaningfully developed new strategies in these regions will be significantly diminished, and I think ultimately that's going to be disappointing for any player who loves one of those regions.

(There's one other possible outcome here. You can imagine seeing more of the mechanics that have already shown up - Behold, Nightfall, Daybreak, and SpellShield - as new expansions are released. It's common to see champion's have natural pairs in other regions - e.g. Braum and Vladimir. If there are missing components to those synergies that will be released in later parts of the set, then there's also a risk that their initial impacts will fall flat and make the initial expansion a bit of a disappointment for the new content. Either way, this strategy seems to have a lot of risk of negatives without a lot of clear upsides.)

Often times in card games we are drawn to synergies like a moth to the flame. 

We think of the list that a  card wants to belong in and not where the card wants to be played.

This applies double to trundle.

Our instinct in to jam him into a ramp list with big cards, but why are we doing that.

This doesn't help him level.

Trundle levels himself, he isn't a build around.

He starts at a 4/6 regenerate that's a hard stat line to deal with,

Back him up with fury of the north and elixir of iron and he ain't dying

Then just play your free pillar on 8 after you have kept him alive for 3 turns.

Or they kill him and you play another and get another free pillar.

Boom now he's a 5/7 with regenerate and overwhelm, and that's all he has to be.

If you want synergy add tyndamere as a 3 of and that's it.

Then run just run good cards, starlit seer, omen hawk, and curve out normally.

Easy wins.

Full disclosure - I stopped playing LoR right around the time they started introducing Gauntlet and Labs. Between a certain amount of burnout on CCGs in general and a fair amount of disappointment with Riot, I just decided it was time for a break.

With all that in mind, I've been following the latest expansion in the hopes that the new cards might renew my interest in the game. And some of what I've seen has been really encouraging:

• A much more significant emphasis put on the Support mechanic (which I always felt was one of the more interesting - yet least utilized - mechanics in the game)
• A major uptick in Regeneration in the Freljord. A while back on this forum I had noted that Regeneration is a form of healing, and that while it didn't show up on many units anywhere, that it made sense as the Freljord expression of the healing identity. At the time Riot said healing was a big part of the identity of the Freljord, but it plainly wasn't in the actual cards, so this is encouraging.
• The Gem token card. This one is a little obscure, but I like that Riot is willing to make a Burst speed spell that can't be cast in combat or in response to a spell. That is exactly what I think Glimpse Beyond ought to be, and I've said as much at least a couple of times on this forum.
• More sources of Obliterate. So far this is just Passage Unearned, but I'm glad there are tech cards that can respond to some of the crazier revive effects that have often created some very frustrating top tier decks. It might be a little too good against those decks, but hopefully it's weak enough against many other decks that it sees only limited play (which would be perfect for a tech card).

So, even without reveals from many of the regions, there's a lot here that makes me think this could be good for the game.

At the same time, I'm pretty worried about yet another massive influx of mechanics. With only a few regions having revealed cards so far, they've already introduced SpellShield, Nightfall, and Behold. Maybe there won't be too many new things with this set, but given how much was introduced with Rising Tides (Powder Kegs, Toss, Plunder, Nab, Deep, Vulnerable, Scout, Attune) it seems unlikely that this set will end up with a short list of new mechanics.

It may seem counter-intuitive to complain about new mechanics in a new set, but I think the Riot approach feels a bit like its not well thought out. By introducing so many new mechanics, and placing them in only small subsets of the regions, you end up in a state where content is much harder to balance. When new mechanics are paired with the new region and some supporting region (e.g. Toss in SI/Bilgewater) you can't think about how to balance new mechanics in isolation from the pre-existing balance issues between the regions more broadly. Moreover, any new mechanic is inherently harder to balance because the devs have no experience balancing it and have no audience feedback about the mechanic in action. So, it's way better to limit the surface area of new content to ensure balancing can be done well from the get-go.

By contrast, in games like MTG and Hearthstone, expansions typically highlight only one or two new mechanics, and they put those mechanics in each color/class/region, which allows developers to think about how fit that new content to the identity of each color/class/region. These mechanics also often deviate only slightly from existing content (e.g. Proliferate in MTG, which adds counters to cards that already have counters, or Spellburst in Hearthstone, which acts as a one-time "after you cast a spell" trigger). Following these patterns makes it easier to think about whether the mechanic is too powerful or too weak in isolation, or if it is too easily abused by a subset of the colors/classes/regions. 

Ultimately, I fear this reflects a continued reality with Riot's dev process, where they feel like they can constantly dump a lot of new content because they're constantly rebalancing the game. It's a philosophy that seems to emphasize "exciting new content" over "fun, balanced gameplay." In that way, it feels like there's a certainly lack of ownership in the quality of the initial work, and that bothers me.

(One related note - I have no idea how to judge the decision to break the expansion up over multiple months. Given how often LoR is rebalanced, the high frequency influx of new content may be fine and have no outsized impact on the way the metagame is formed. But it may also reinforce this apparent design philosophy that it's better to constantly throw out shiny new content in place of balanced content.)

I stopped playing it for some time because of it. Up until today that is. I try the mode again today and the same thing happens, again! Its completely rigged at the end. Things are completely fair and balanced up until you get to that last match. Then 100% time, ever time. It will brick your hand and place you against an aggro deck.

I have got to that last match at least 10 times now and it does that. I pull all expensive crap or just useless spells and can't do anything until turn 4 or 5 and by then I'm already dead. I'm not joking. It's done it every single time. Not once have I had a fair match on the last one and have lost all of them because of it.

Fix the damn system!

I feel like Trundle is just a really bad champ. He has good base stats and that's about it. He takes up a slot that you could put in an actual good champ, his mechanic that the deck has to be built around is just God awful, his champ card is Trundle's Icequake; which is also a horrible card; and his level up does essentially nothing. At most you will get is +2 attack, +1 on average, and if you get +3 or more, well congratulations, you have a bricked hand and you are probably going to lose. His only redeeming feature is that he gives you a free Ice Pillar which is an okay card, but even then I'd rather just run the Ice Pillar without Trundle eating up a champ slot.

But those are just my thoughts. What are yours?

Are we gonna get forum titles for the call of the mountain expansion?

Could be like : chanting troll (based on trundles cards)

or : mountain wanderer since the expansion is Call of the Mountain.

Just wondering.

I was just thinking when opening my chests today. What if you just save your weekly chests for the expansion? Will you get expansion cards or do the vault chests only drop what was available at the time? Also can you even stack up weekly vault chests or do they just reset every week?

Gem cards my boy, Gems.

Each Gem spell should proc Taric twice. 
So all its needed to level him up is to attack once and then play 3 gem cards (1 mana each = 3 mana).

Also, notice Taric is only unkillable after he declares an attack. He still is vulnerable in the entire oponnent's turn or if the player decide to play a card before the attack phase.

You don't do anything you can't do with pen and paper so it's not cheating.

Edit: dunno what happened to OP.. It's not me. 

What's up everyone! Just dropping in with the new cards - and a video that I was SUPER excited to make because DAMN I've been waiting a while for these cards to be revealed! lol If you wanna check out the video which has all of the cards in the keyword, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXjesiynBSE

Otherwise, here are the cards they finally showed!

https://imgur.com/a/N9sRhcN

Anyone else think Maokai and Nautilus is to easy to complete?

Often enough they can simply stall until turn 7-8 thanks to multiple removal spells, and the small costed units that are also very beneficial towards their core strategy completion and it heals them.

Then turn 8-9 sometimes as early as turn 7 as in this instance your either dead or have to trade in most of your board towards overstatted minions which means your most likely gonna lose next turn.

And if that doesn't occur your deck being obliterated before you have even reached turn 10 also does the trick.

Only way my decks really are able to beat em is if i either play hyper aggro and kill em before Nautilus comes down or they are extremely unlucky and neither draw Maokai and Nautilus.

Otherwise all my other slower decks are basically insta-lose.

So I've personally been feeling a little burned out on LOR

This being the result of several factors.

1. A fairly established meta game, which I will include here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqHMDLe5Ldk

2. Running into a lot of made hand scenarios for every single deck - aka opponent card draw simulator

3. Less people willing to run synergistic low tier and exciting lists

4. Having all the cards

5. A distinct impression that others aren't enjoying the game anymore - aka speed chess

6. Slow roll or value plays being generally phased out for pure tempo

So if you guys have any ideas on how to keep things fresh until the expansion I'd love to hear it

We have a new highest win rate deck in legends of Runterra, and that's Swain TF.

I'll include my version that just swaps riptide rex for farron, because he's been getting good results on stream lately.

Now I personally haven't seen anyone playing this list at all, have you guys?

This is according to mobalytics, 57 percent wins, with 3000 games

https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/regions

A week after I posted my Hecarim/Kalista deck over half of the decks in ranked are slight variants of it... lol.  The funny part is now its hard to find the usual meta decks because Hecarush beats them ;p  Unfortunately for me, Hecarush is weak to Hecarush  so mirror comes down to who gets sharks/kalista up and running first... T_T

A little while back I had mentioned that this region combo might be one of the strongest in the game right now.

I'm just going to share 3 different deck lists, that differ pretty wildly in construction but are still all hugely powerful.

The first up is the meta EZ Tf list - https://lor.mobalytics.gg/decks/bruod4pla4s47cktkfn0

We've all had enough time to play against this list to know it's power potential, but it's also easy to play around if you know the pattern.

The second is a bruised by god's turbo deep - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9IdcUY2SeY&t=218s

This list is far harder to deal with, it really good at stalling out, and going deep super fast

The third is one I put together - focused around vi who I felt wasn't seeing enough play 

How do you guys feel about this region combo right now