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Sharing Is Caring - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread

Competition Theme: Sharing Is Caring

You're only allowed to play together if you share, okay? Let's design some cards to make that easier!

This week, grumpymonk wants us all to get along better, so you'd better get used to everyone getting equal treatment!

As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

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Here are the phases of this card design competition

  • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Apr 12 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Apr 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
  • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Apr 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Apr 18 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
  • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Apr 18 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Apr 19 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
  • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Competition Theme: Sharing Is Caring

    You're only allowed to play together if you share, okay? Let's design some cards to make that easier!

    This week, grumpymonk wants us all to get along better, so you'd better get used to everyone getting equal treatment!

    As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

    Competition Phases

    Here are the phases of this card design competition

    • Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Apr 12 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Apr 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Apr 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Apr 18 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Apr 18 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Apr 19 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
    • Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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  • Here is an old card of mine that fits the bill. What do you think?

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      Here is an old card of mine that fits the bill. What do you think?

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      Interesting, i dont like the permanent overwrite of opponnent's hero power without a possible counter-play. But could make for some interesting games

      Staff

  • First card I'm putting forward.

    The beauty of this comp is that when you analyze what you're supposed to do, then it's actually not as restricting as it might seem on first glance.

    Friendly Staff

  • I have an idea of what kind of effect i want to do, but im not decided on the character. What do you think? I think i like Eagle Eyes the most, Pepe is here just for the LOLz, dont take it seriously :D

    Staff

  • First two ideas im puttiing forward:

    Shadow Conjuerer can clone anything for yourself, but your opponent gets a copy of it too!

    Fair Student Cincaria is intended to replace Star Student Stelina, because that card is not very good. She is not the best at keeping your hand safe as well, but maybe it can work in your favor by helping to trigger your outcast effects or removing a card that your opponent recently drew. Maybe this could be a warlock card as well.

  • Sign me up. Feedback really appreciated.

  • Ok, here are my ideas for this week. My personal favourite is Balance Keeper, but any feedback would be great.

    @TheHoax91

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    The idea is not bad, but it may be too disruptive to change your opponent's Hero Power.

    @Demonxz95

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    I like this, but maybe a bit strong, especially in warlock, and with lifesteal. Not sure though.

    @sinti

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    Eagle Eyes is most fitting. However, I'm not a fan of the 'reveal a card' or 'see a card' effects. I just don't see them having any impact on the game in Hearthstone

    @grumpymonk

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    I like Shadow Conjurer a bit more, it's pretty neat. Fair Student Cinaria is also good, but not sure if not a bit too strong, it is definetely an effect more disrupting for your opponent than you. Also, it fits Demon Hunter more than Warlock, because only Demon Hunter has cards which shuffle cards from opponent's hand to their deck.

    @h0lysatan

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    it's not bad, but not sure if it counts. It actualy doesn't affect your hero, only heals and damages enemy hero.

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      it's not bad, but not sure if it counts. It actualy doesn't affect your hero, only heals and damages enemy hero.

      It sure does. How else would the heal and damage triggers to the opponents?

       

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        it's not bad, but not sure if it counts. It actualy doesn't affect your hero, only heals and damages enemy hero.

        It sure does. How else would the heal and damage triggers to the opponents?

         

        I mean, it doesn't have symmetrical effect, the effect which is same for both players. It heals and damages your opponent. It triggers from healing and damage to your hero, but it doesn't damage nor heal you. That's how i see it at least.

  • Now you can play around it.

    Friendly

  • Here's my idea for this week.

    It's "insatiable" because it won't stop "eating" cards until you kill it :) Initially I wanted to make it cheaper, but at 1 Mana it could discard your opponent's quest which would be super annoying and the 2 Mana slot is already quite crowded in Discolock. No Kanrethad shenanigans either without the Demon tag. I'm still pondering if Un'goro or Rastakhan's is the better expansion for a Crawg, any advice for that question and feedback in general would be very welcome. Edit: I've put it in RR, thanks for your advice, FrostyFeet!

    Feedback:

    YourPrivateNightmare

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    I like your idea, but I'd very much prefer an aura effect to a Battlecry. It takes too much fun out of the game if you can see each other's deck all the time. I'm also one of those guys that prefer a fitting or custom watermark. Again, props for the cool idea!

    ChickyChick

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    Terokk is difficult for me. Zoolock is pretty much always good and this is just too powerful a tool for it, even at 8 Mana. I don't like the art of Personality Thief and it's effect is something we already know from other (unused) cards. But Balance Keeper is a really cool idea - probably my favorite so far. Really nice way to use Choose One and super flexible. I like it a lot!

    h0lysatan

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    Interesting take, this opens up a lot of possibilities. I'm not sure if the wording is correct… does it have to be "affects"?

    grumpymonk

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    Shado Conjurer is a nice idea, but I'm lacking the imagination for suitable targets right now. Cincaria has super cool art, where did you find that? The effect is really nice, too - annoying, but not too strong. Do you intend to reveal the left/right-most card of your opponent or do we have to choose blindly? That is Stelina's truely useful aspect imho, you get to peek at your opponent's hand.

    sinti

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    I agree, Eagle Eyes is the best of them. Very flavorful (nice pun!). Is there a reason why you didn't put it in DoD? It would fit the aerial combat theme pretty well.

    Demon

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    The art is not HS-style enough for my taste. The effect is very interesting, but also quite hard to evaluate because it's so situational. So while I do think it's a strong and strategically challenging card, I'm not sure if it helps you win this competition. On a side note, how do you put our user's name on the spoilers? Your feedback comments always look so much cooler and smoother than mine.

    TheHoax91

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    Nice idea, very flavorful name as well. I'm not sure if it isn't too crazy for a competition that aims to produce realistic cards, though.

    • I wanted to make something that would drastically affect how the game plays and how you build your deck.

      For instance, you wouldn't want him in a Secret deck for obvious reasons and you would want to avoid randomly generated cards if possible.

      The idea was to buff Midrange Hunter by giving them a way to play around control decks that randomly generate value that might end up screwing you over with no backup plan.

      I also figured Hunter would be the best class since Flare already covers the whole "reveal things" theme.

      Friendly
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      grumpymonk
      Shado Conjurer is a nice idea, but I'm lacking the imagination for suitable targets right now. Cincaria has super cool art, where did you find that? The effect is really nice, too - annoying, but not too strong. Do you intend to reveal the left/right-most card of your opponent or do we have to choose blindly? That is Stelina's truely useful aspect imho, you get to peek at your opponent's hand.

      I found the art here: ArtStation - FanArt Festival hearthstone, Arina Tarasova

      @Demonxz95 - I'm a fan of Saint of Order. It's admittedly very similar to Armor Vendor, but control decks definitely need more of those to combat aggression and even have a chance to succeed in the meta.

  • Rework it a little. And change the wording. As always. Thanks for all feedbacks.

    • I think you can leave out "now", you're missing a period at the end of the text and I'm pretty sure you should use "hero" instead of "player". There's also a typo in the name ("Sprit").

  • I wanted to try making a simple card that would offer a flavour-fitting draw mechanic to Priest, let me know what you think.

    Here's some feedback.

    TheHoax91

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    This is a very cool and unique mechanic, I really like it, but I'm unsure it would be a good card except when facing a very slow control Priest or Warrior. Furthermore, getting its Hero Power destroyed is not really fun.

    Demonzx95

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    Great control tool, might be a bit oppressive to play against but it's what Warlock do so fine by me. I just feel like the card shouldn't have Lifesteal, it's already really strong without and it might be overkill.

    Sinti

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    This is a cool card concept, and pretty balanced as it doesn't really accomplishes much. Maybe a fun addition to burn deck Warlock to know when to burn ?

    grumpymonk

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    The priest card might be undercosted in my opinion, the effect is too strong for a 4/3 for 3. On the other hand, the DH card might cost too much for a legendary (so one per deck) for such a weak effect it feels.

    Chickychick

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    The Warlock card is just way too strong, literally a twisting nether + better bloodlust. However, I really like the two other cards and they seem pretty balanced, though I think 2 turns without HP might be a bit of a drag.

    YourPrivateNightmare

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    Damn this is a really good one; it doesn't really accomplishes much, but it helps the player against control match up so much I feel like, especially when playing as a face Hunter deck. Furthermore, the stats are not bad at all. I don't really see what to change here without destroying the card, seems good to me.

    anchorm4n

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    The idea is cool, and you want to remove this ASAP if you're against a Discolock. However, this can only be played in Discolock, and Discolock doesn't really need to discard opponent's cards, they just swarm the board and go face. It might need a revamp to fit another Warlock decks, like discarding highest- or lowest-cost cards maybe ?

    h0lysatan

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    A really cool effect for a control Priest or a combo Priest, I dig this. However, aggro decks might just go through and ignore this to go face, but every card needs a weakness.

  • So it seems that people don't seem to be too thrilled by Lord Lucian. Oh well, feedback time.

    TheHoax91
    This seems like a better idea on paper than in practice. The Hero Power seems like it's either infuriating to play against, or merely inconsequential for both players. I will also echo the statement that I'm not a huge fan of permanently replacing the opponent's Hero Power with no counterplay or timer.

    Sinti
    I absolutely love these effects, although it's been proven that hand/deck information is not really that useful. For this reason, I'd say this is fine. Definitely go with Eagle Eyes, although that name sounds more like a spell or a title for a Legendary minion rather than a standard minion.

    Grumpymonk
    I'd say these two cards are pretty solid. I kinda like to imagine Shadow Conjurer with Doomsayer kinda like how it was combined with Frost Nova. Fair Student Cincaria is a fine idea, but without being able to see any of the opponent's hand (unlike Stelina) and only see the card after shuffling it, it feels like for the most part just blind guessing. Someone extremely good at hand reading could probably be able to use this pretty well, but it otherwise seems to hard to use. I say I prefer Shadow Conjurer, though Cincaria is more flashy.

    ChickyChick
    Talon King Terokk is a bit weird. The downside is largely mitigated if you kill your opponent on the same turn you play it, although at that point, it's basically an 8 mana Bloodlust which I suppose isn't dangerous. I prefer Personality Thief myself.

    YourPrivateNightmare

    The name is pretty hilarious.

    I see that you've already submitted, so this feedback won't really be able to do anything, but I have a hard time believing the effect is particularly useful since (and as pointed out with Sinti's card) hand or deck information is not as strong as it seems to a lot of players and your opponent gets to see your own hand as well. And it's not very useful to draw it late either.

    Overall, it's about a 2.5 star card. However, since our system does not have half-stars, I have rounded it up to 3.

    anchorm4n

    I know that community opinions of discarding the opponent's cards tends to be mixed overall, but I think this card is fine. I will suggest changing the random discard to giving the discard some type of prioritized target like the lowest-Cost card since Team 5 themselves seem to have stemmed away from completely random discard and it'll also be less frustrating for the opponent (and possibly easier for yourself as well). Do that and I'd say you've got a pretty good card on your hands.

    By the way, to put text on a spoiler, add text="what you want to type here" in the spoiler bracket, like this:

    {spoiler text="anchorm4n"}Text{/spoiler}

    H0lysatan
    I feel like the effect is a little bit too weird and not Priest-y to be able to take advantage of very well. It also needs a Legendary name as it has a generic one right now.

    Karmin
    Symmetrical draw is always a little bit finnicky to work with, but this is a pretty fun and cool idea for an effect.

    EDIT: Sorry ChickyChick. Forgot about you.

    Friendly Staff

  • Here are my two ideas: 

    TheHoax91

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    I’m not a huge lover of permanently replacing your opponent’s Hero Power (without some kind of combo or deckbuilding restriction at least) so personally I would like to see this with a turn limit effect (for instance 3 turns) for each player. I like the idea of the Hero Power though, pretty neat card but I think just a little bit powerful.

    Demonxz95

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    Congrats on the win for last week! As for this card, I really like this effect in Warlock, forcing yourself down to a low life total and then bringing your opponent down whilst you go back up. The art does feel a little off to me, was thinking something akin to the Princes from KFT in terms of art would feel like a better match? Pretty good card.

    Sinti

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    I’m inclined to agree with you that Eagle Eyes is the best, and I love the effect. Very solid card indeed.

    Grumpymonk

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    I think I like Fair Student Cincaria the best out of these two, plays into the Demon Hunter being able to manipulate their own hand about to get Outcast effects more easily. Plus it matches the disruption theme of Scholomance for DH, as a replacement for Stelina, it does a great job.

    ChickyChick

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    Great name for the card cos I think Balance Keeper is actually the most balanced of the three! Very cool card, love the effect.

    YourPrivateNightmare

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    I like this, but I feel like the effect needs to be toned down a little. I know that card information is often overestimated in Hearthstone, but making it permanent just doesn’t seem like a fun idea to me. I think maybe bumping up the cost and stats a little, and having this as a passive effect would be more balanced in my eyes.

    anchorm4n

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    My only criticism of this card is that, I believe in Rastakhan’s Rumble, all discards were “lowest-Cost” so this doesn’t really match that expansions twist on the mechanic. Other than that, pretty awesome card.

    H0lysatan

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    A couple of notes, the name does not feel particularly legendary, so maybe change this to the name of a character. Aside from that just a couple of grammatical errors for instance, you don’t need the word “now” and also you should put a full stop at the end of the card text. Really cool idea though.

    Karmin

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    This is one of my favourites so far, the flavour is awesome and the effect is so cool. One thing to note, is that spell schools were not around in classic, and it would probably be best to either remove the spell school or change the watermark to the Year of the Gryphon watermark, either way, very nice card.

     

  • Kinda surprised no one went with Projects.

    I think my favorite one is Double Agent purely because of flavor. That said, I don't like that it's too random, and limiting it to Rogue Secrets is a bit meh since Rogue doesn't have that many.

    I'll give feedback later.

  • I was beaten to the idea of using Projects. All well :P

    Look out, it's the dreaded Resurrection Priest! For both cards, the idea is that you get what you played and your opponent gets what they played; hopefully that thought-process comes across without spelling it out. If it would make people feel better, I can shift Ultimate Redemption to Paladin-only, for use in a Big Pally deck. 

    Friendly

  • Alright so I guess it's now my turn to give constructive feedback.

    The Hoax91

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    I'm not sure it's a healthy design to permanently disable the opponent's hero power and force them to dump their hand each turn to not give you a massive advantage. Seems like it should be more expensive

    Demonxz95

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    I know what you're going for, but Pain Split as a Hearthstone card in Warlock of all things just is a recipe for disaster. I mean just imagine Warlock in Wild popping out two Molten Giants and then playing this to equalize the health total and take over the board. At best you'd have to make this a 9-mana minion (or 8-mana at the very least) to avoid crazy tempo shenanigans that take advantage of self damage.

    sinti

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    Pepe or we riot. Also, that would be an extremely fun Arena card. No more losing to topdecks (or at least you'd see it coming now)

    grumpymonk

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    Conjurer looks like the kind of Priest card that gets all the hype at reveal and then only shows up through random generation. Seems like the kind of card that hopes for the dream scenario that never happens. BUt it would be fun with Doomsayer.

    I love Cincaria though, mainly because through grinding Soul Demon Hunter to Legend twice last expansion I have grown fond of Stellina showing up from Illidari Studies and teabagging my opponent's outs back into their deck. Would definitely play this, even if it was garbage 9/10 times.

    h0lysatan

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    Spelling error aside, I don't see what the point of this is. It's either a way too cheap OTK piece or just pointless because why heal your opponent for no reason? If this was a Warlock card I could see it being used in Suicide Zoo to deal face damage or sap your opponents healing, but in Priest it just seems pointless, at least based on how that class currently works.

    Chicky Chick

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    Terokk looks kind of fun, although I'd be hesitant to give Bloodlust to Zoolock. At least the cost is appropriate.

    Personality Thief should be called Identitiy Thief (come on, it'S the perfect pun, how could you have missed that). It also doesn't seem that useful seeing how there's only like 2 or 3 classes that actively want to use their hero powers a lot and would suffer from losing them for two turns.

    Balance Keeper is really cool although I would make it at best a 1/2 because in most cases it just allows you to Wild Growth for 2 early on and for that it shouldn't have prime stats, seeing how tempo is Druid's weakness.

    anchorm4n

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    My Discardlock brain loves it, but everything else just screams "depression in card form". Against Control decks this is a guaranteed -1 in their hand that needs to be dealt with immediately. Milling cards is already pretty gross as seen by the widespread hatred for Tickatus. At the very least cards in hand should be safe (unless it's against Demon Hunter I guess). You could change it to "lowest cost card" and it would be a lot less unfair and random (randommly discarding your opponent's win condition on turn 3 just seems silly).

    Wailor

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    Love Booby Trap for the memes and potential synergy with stuff that requires secrets to be up, but goddamn would that backfire most of the time. Just seems counter intuitive to give your opponent really strong defensive/tempo secrets in a class that really suffers against those very secrets. Would be cool with Flare though.

    Dynamo looks kind of like a worse Mana Burn but it's at least a very interesting tech choice for Shaman. Much like the first one it's better in Wild because of the Overload unlockers. Definitely my favourite of the 3.

    Agent just seems like too much of a gamble. If you get a Paladin Secret and your opponent gets a MAge secret that's a huge disparity in value.

    linkblade91

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    I like Project because Priest has more control over what they get and Raise Dead is already great in Control Priest.

    ULtimate Redemption just seems like kind of a meme card. I'm not sure even Rez Priest would run this because they not only have better options, but also against decks with big minions you generally risk straight up losing the game.

     

    Man, this is a lot of fun, why didn't I join in on this earlier?

     

     

     

    Friendly

  • Feedback time.

    TheHoax91

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    I like the basic idea behind it (using your opponent's unused Mana Crystals), but the way it's implemented is a bit strange. I'd probably tie it to a Legendary minion and just word it as "Battlecry: For the rest of the game, both players can use their opponent's unused Mana Crystals" or something like that.

    Demonxz95

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    Dusclops used Pain Split!

    I like the effect because of its originality, but it's hard to tell if it's balanced. I'd probably give it 5 stars because I don't care too much about balance, but people might not like it.

    sinti

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    Eagle Eyes is definetly the best flavor for the card. The effect is quite cool, too.

    grumpymonk

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    I like Shadow Conjurer, but the thing that I really like about her is that she can be used in both friendly and enemy minions. Pretty flexible, IMO.

    Cincaria, however, doesn't seem much of an upgrade over Star Student Stelina. Sure, she can be used to help Outcast cards, but in the end, you're losing a card. Also, she gives one less option for screwing your opponent.

    holysatan

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    In terms of flavor, your card needs an own name. Something in the lines Lucia, Spiritlink Warden or whatever. Also, the effect text should end with a full stop.

    ChickyChick

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    Both Personality Thief and Balance Keeper are fine. I'd say I like the later a little bit more.

    YourPrivateNightmare

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    The effect seems a bit too extreme IMO. I'd probably change it to an aura effect that only lasts while the minion is alive.

    Flavor-wise is a bit weird, too. I mean, it's a chamaleon, which are known for hiding, and it reveals information. I'd go with a tracking dog or something like that.

    anchorm4n

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    The effect is simple, yet very effective. I like it a lot.

    That said, I think you can get away with a 3/4 statline, since it also hinders you.

    Karmin

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    I'd probably nerf it to 2 mana, taking Research Project as a reference. That said, I quite like the effect.

    cydonianknight

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    Brightspark Engineer is a bit weird. The whole "if you don't have a one" is a kinda strange, even if I understand it's necessary to avoid being too polarized depending on whether your opponent has Mechs or not.

    I like Chaotic Notetaker a bit better, but it has a very disruptive effect for its low cost. I'd rise its Mana to at least 4. It's stats should remain on the weak side (for 4, I'd go with a 4/3 statline).

    linkblade91

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    Resurrection Project seems very weak compared to other resurrect effects. For instance, the original Resurrect only costs 1 more, but it summons the minion and is not symetric.

    Ultimate Redemption, on the other hand, is incredibly cool. I'd definetly go with it.

  • Thanks for the feedback guys, i will go with Eagle Eyes ;-) Btw, I still believe that the information you get from seeing your opponents hand is quite significant, even tho some ppl dont think so. We've had various effects that let you "peak" into opponents hand or deck, but those were mostly on a minion that would put you back in terms of tempo. I think that if we ever get a minion with a good on-curve stats, it might actually surprise us into how many decks could it end up slotting, something like Watchposts recently, many ppl underestimated those too.

    Anyway, GL in the competition, here is some feedback from me.

    Demonxz95

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    No a fan of "halved numbers" effects personally. The art is pretty cool tho, definitely worthy of a custom character.

    grumpymonk

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    I like Cincaria a lot more, its is cool when negative effects can have a positive outcome for you = activating Outcast effect of a card. Tho you might be little too generous on the stats, dunno.

    h0lysatan

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    I dont like this too much, could be abused a lot. I suppose the minion itself is pretty weak, but still.

    Chicky Chick

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    Talon King is a +3/+3 finisher for your board, the downside would rarely matter in a situation you would play this.

    Personality Thief: ok, nothing interesting.

    Balance Keeper: I like this one a lot! the text should read "Choose One: The next card each player plays costs (1) less; or (1) more.", i think.

    YourPrivateNightmare

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    I see i have a competition here! :D I dont hate the card, i dont love its permanent either tho.

    anchorm4n

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    Hell no. I dont like deck/hand attacks, this is a no for me, sorry. The fact you could benefit from it as WL is cool tho.

    As for my card, i thought putting it in DOD could work too, might do it in the end, yeah.

    Karmin

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    Cute card, dont know if i would want to run it tho :D I really hate giving my opponent cards, but most of the time, it doesnt even matter, if it aint contrl vs control.

    cydonianknight

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    Brightspark Engineer - imho it can just draw a mech, if your opponent doest have one, their loss.

    Chaotic Notetaker - the card in a vacuum is cool and the flavor is awesome, but this would help finish WL quest SOOOOOOOOOO fast, on top of Plot Twist already. I dont think it would be a healthy card to have in the game, maybe if it was on a more costly minion? 5+ ?

    Wailor

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    You have a good idea with the projects, tho im not a fan of secrets, so i dont like 1 and 3 too much. Dynamo Project is kinda cool, not sure i would wan Shaman to have access to a card like that, but its cool.

    linkblade91

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    I like resurrection Project more, its simple and flavorful.

     

     

     

    Staff

  • Off of mixed feedback, I got myself a new card. I also found out that someone also copied my card. *groan* - I was going to submit a different card anyway, but people have really got to read what's in this thread and what has been submitted first.

    Anyway, round 2 of feedback.

    Cydonianknight
    I agree with the rest of the group that Brightspark Engineer is weird, but it's not bad. Chaotic Notetaker has some nice flavor and a nifty disruption mechanic, but it might be able to complete Supreme Archaeology too fast when Plot Twist also exists (and would also be in Standard at this point). I'm far as I'm concerned though, it's Wild's problem now lmao.

    Wailor
    Both Booby Trap Project and Double Agent suffer from the fact that completely random Secrets are generally not very fun to play against, and the latter also from the fact that it could give your opponent more value than you. For this reason, I prefer Dynamo Project which I think is a good disruption tool akin to Mana Burn (and you can take advantage of it with Overload synergy whereas they likely won't), but I don't think the 3 needs to be in brackets.

    Linkblade91
    Resurrection Project is generally not that strong and could be one-sided (but of course then it wouldn't be eligible for the prompt). I do prefer Ultimate Redemption although it has heavy anti-synergy with Reinforce.

    Friendly Staff

  • Here is my feedback.

    Demonxz95

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    I could see this at a tech card against certain decks that like to upgrade their hero power or use hero cards, and this is more punishing than other options such as Mindbreaker or Blowtorch Saboteur. I'm not sure that I like the idea of hurting your hero power that much as well though, and it could hurt its viability as a tech option.

    linkblade91

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    I think Resurrection Project is a little weak. Resurrecting minions to your hand is slower than drawing cards, and I could see the same card without the symmetrical effect at 1 mana. I could see this at 0 mana or adding 2 minions instead.

    Ultimate Redemption is really cool, though I think it is too expansive imo. Hard to judge, but I don't expect that big of a board, even if you manage to run minions that are much bigger than your opponents.

    Wailor

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    I like Booby Trap Project. It might not be much of an advantage, but Hunter has secret synergies that this could fit into decks.

    I think Dynamo Project looks underpowered compared to Mana Burn. 1 more for your opponent in exchange for 3 overload doesn't sound like a good deal.

    Double Agent has nice flavor. The randomness factor might be better if it put in a random rogue secret, so both secrets have a similar value.

    cydonianknight

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    Brightspark Engineer's wording is quite clunky, so it reads weird even if its not supposed to be complicated. Something like this might work: "Battlecry: Each player draws a card (draws mechs if possible)."

    Chaotic Notetaker is very nice and flavorful. Could be annoying to face, but I guess that's part of the charm.

    Karmin

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    I'm not sure I quite understand the effect. Do both players draw a card, then get a copy of the card the other player drew, so they end up "drawing" 2 cards each?

    h0lysaTan

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    It's a good stalling tool, but it could also backfire pretty badly as it could prevent you from damaging your opponent without killing yourself. Not sure if it's consistent enough for decks to run.

    anchorm4n

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    If you're keeping the RR watermark, I would make it discard lowest-cost cards because that's how discard worked in that expansion, and it would lessen the saltiness factor if both players could anticipate what would get discarded.

    ChickyChick

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    Talon King Terokk could be played as a Twisting Nether with a 7/7 body, so I think that its too strong.

    I like Personality Thief's design, but I don't see the connection between the flavor and the effect.

    I like Balance Keeper as well. The effect might seem inconsequential, but I could see druid taking advantage of it in a tempo deck.

    TheHoax91

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    Interesting idea, but this will probably end up being win more in practice. If your opponent ends up not using their mana, they're falling behind in tempo and are in trouble anyways.

  • I'm sorry but I'm super pissed. My idea was captured and almost copied by the person who submitted Wurdread the Devastator. I'd usually refrain from submitting my version in this case because that will probably hurt both our scores, but frankly speaking I'm convinced that my card is better and I'm angry enough to rather go down with the other person than let them get away with this. It's even more outrageous that Demon's idea got copied 1:1 which results in me rating Dreavus, Mad Ritualist with 1 star (just like Wurdread). If that's voting manipulation, feel free to DQ me.

    If one of those two contestants reads this and feels falsely accused of plagiarizing they are invited to come out and explain themselves. I might change my opinion (and my vote) if you're able to convince me.

    For the time being, I'd like to echo Demon's advice that everybody should check the Discussion Thread and start communicating with other people to avoid these situations. I've DMed people for far less close similarities between their idea and mine because I wanted to get their thumps up before submitting. If copying promising ideas from the Discussion Thread becomes a thing we have a huge problem on our hands and I'm really not sure how it could be dealt with.

    To finish my little rant with something positive, I'm very happy with the amount of feedback given this week and will provide some more myself when I've calmed down.

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      For the time being, I'd like to echo Demon's advice that everybody should check the Discussion Thread and start communicating with other people to avoid these situations

      While that would have been the ideal scenario, not everyone has the time, nor wants to participate in the discussion, even just skimming through what could have already been thrown out there. And that is fair. Yes, it can result in a bad cases of seeming plagiarism, but we cannot avoid that sadly, and thankfully, the community so far has been honest enough that those cases are extremely rare.

      If we for example were to make it mandatory that you had to look through discussion thread for what others already came up with before you submit, i think that could potentially discourage ppl from submitting, which would in the end hurt the competition as a whole.

      If we see an increase in ppl seemingly copying ideas of others, there will be steps taken.

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  • Yes, I just recognized the same, at first with Demon's card, but I wanted to wait for my second feedback before pointing this out.

    I mean, I don't know if they copied someone's idea, or if they just came up with something similar, but even if so, it could be easily avoided, if the people could at least quickly go through disscussion topic before submitting, to check if they're not copying anybody idea.

    I had once similar situation when I was late, and wanted to just submit without asking for feedback, but, I avoided copying someone's idea, by simply being cautious.

  • I was not satisfied with any of my cards, so I came up with a new one.

    Not sure if the wording is correct or if she has too much Health for such an effect.

    About the plagiarism thingy, it's hard to tell if it's actual plagiarism or it's just two people coming up with a similar idea.

    That said, in my experience, having two very similar cards doesn't necessarily hurt them. I remember that sea-themed comp where arkasaur and I finished in first and second place respectively with two shark cards which had to do with attacking damaged minions.

    However, if we see that this stuff happens too often, it would be good to take mesures.

  • Thank's for your feedback. I decided to go with a removable minion instead of the permanent Hero Power.

    Here's some feedback in return:

     

    Wailor

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    The effect is fine. I think Health is fine as well, since most decks have minions on board that can deal with this if they need to. More than anything this would be a tech card against no-minion Mage I guess. Also (subjective opinion) the art is horrendous…

    Demonxz95

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    That's a complex card. Kind of reminds me of Grizzled Wizard. It's very flavorful, but I don't see how to abuse this, or why this would be played.

    linkblade91

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    I like Ultimate Redemption a lot better, but it has to be a Priest card, because Deathrattle Priest. This card synergizes so well with a Deathrattle deck, that it would be a waste to give it to Paladin only imo.

    cydonianknight

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    Chaotic Notetaker all the way. The art is perfect and we need a replacement for Plot Twist. Also I love the potential disruption element.

    Karmin

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    Priest main here. I love it. I need this card right NOW!!

    h0lysatan

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    I'd replace "player" with "hero", then find good art of a famous Priest character and put their name on the card. The effect is really nice, but just as someone pointed out "now" is unnecessary.

    ChickyChick

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    "The next card each player plays, costs…" I like the effet of Balance Keeper a lot. It's so simple, but also useful in different situations.

    grumpymonk

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    I have a hard time deciding which I like better. Sadly right now there are no OTKs in Priest that could be enabled with Shadow Conjurer, so I'd go with Fair Student.

  • Karmin

    I'm not sure I quite understand the effect. Do both players draw a card, then get a copy of the card the other player drew, so they end up "drawing" 2 cards each?

    Yup, that's exactly how it works.

  • Okay, thanks for the feedback everyone! I've altered the cost and stats of Chaotic Notetaker to a 5-cost 4/4 to address the issue of activating Supreme Archaeology too early and consistently. I personally believe that the higher cost, the fact it's spellburst so it actually requires two cards to activate the effect (the notetaker himself plus a spell, thus reducing the total amount of cards  the effect redraws) makes this card more balanced. Hope you all agree too.

    Wailor

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    I mean, this is what Brightwing should’ve been. Really forces the opponent (and you if you haven’t built your deck right) to go down a minion combat route for removal, or just massive board clears, or even to go face. Yeah, I really like this card.

    Linkblade91

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    Big Paladin is my favourite deck (not the broken from Darkmoon Races, the less good one) and this really kicks it into gear. I’m assuming you summon your own minions and your opponent summons theirs and it’s not a random mashup? Honestly, hands down, favourite card so far.

    Demonxz95

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    God the card-copying f***ing sucks dude, maybe one solution could be to include “reading the discussion thread, even if you don’t participate in the actual discussion itself” as part of the common ruleset in each competition. I don’t know how to actively solve the issue but this sort of discourages card-copying.

    As for the card itself, I quite like this. Temporary disabling of your opponent’s hero power is neat, but obviously the drawback is that you disable yours too temporarily. Makes me think of Mindbreaker. Honestly, nice card.

     

     

  • Regarding the plagiarism, I did already talk to Shadows about Dreavus. He came to the conclusion that there unfortunately wasn't enough evidence for it to be an intentional case of plagiarism given the fact that it uses worse wording and the person who made the card has no prior history of plagiarizing other cards.

    Given another parameter he told me, I narrowed it down to only one possible person. But for the sake of not wanting to "witch hunt" against that person, I will not give out the name.

    Friendly Staff

  • As promised, more feedback:

    cydonianknight
    Very solid card, especially after the changes. It has great art, a fitting name and an interesting effect. Might very well have been printed in RL if not for the shared time in standard with Plot Twist. Well done!

    Wailor
    Super cool idea, I like it a lot! My only concern is the art. While I like the Dragon, it looks like you fotoshopped her into the … swamp? jungle? If that is the case, a better background might fit her better. I'm fine with the stats.

    Demon
    Your new idea looks better, but I'm still not thrilled. Maybe I'm lacking the imgaination to immediately grasp what would make me want to play this other than simply being in Genn and Baku's set. Sorry :/ And thank you very much for explaining how to label the spoilers, that looks so cool :)

    linkblade
    I very much prefer Ultimate Redemption. Very shiny, very strong, lots of fun to play. I'm totally fine with making it a dual class card. The one minor issue I see is that the art doesn't fit Scholomance very well. Effect+art is good, Effect+Expansion is okay, but Art+Expansion is off.

    Karmin
    Very nice idea! If you give it another watermark, I'm happy :)

  • Thank you to everyone who has provided me feedback so far :) Here's my attempt to make Ultimate Redemption more school-y:

    *aggressive finger-snapping ensues*

    Same thought-process as before: you summon your minions, they summon their minions, and a massive fight happens.

    Friendly

  • Feedback time! ...I'm just gonna ignore the "plagiarism" discussion for now and focus on the cards, if that's alright. Shadows will step in if he feels more action must be taken. I haven't even looked at who has submitted.

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    cydonianknight - I like it :) I don't think you need to perform any more changes; you're good to go, IMO!

    Wailor - Maybe shave off a point of Health, just to be on the safe side? Although Robes of Protection does something similar and is not symmetrical, so maybe it's fine. I like it either-way, and it's a nice callback to Faerie Dragon.

    Demonxz95 - Flavorful, and really shuts down certain builds (namely Odd Paladin and Odd Warrior, from the same set no less. Meany :P). The limited-uses thing didn't really come into existence until Metamorphosis, IIRC, so that could be a knock on your card.

    Karmin - Interesting card for Thief Priest, or really any Priest. You get a card, another card from your opponent, and the knowledge that comes from receiving said card in the first place. 1-mana draw is really powerful, but it's reciprocated so I think it's okay. Cool card all-in-all; just change the watermark and you're good :P

    h0lysatan - The name doesn't really speak to a Legendary minion. Beyond that, this is a Taunt minion in all but effect, because an Aggro deck cannot afford to leave it alive if they want to avoid a tie lol. I think it's neat, although quite the road block with that 6 Health.

    anchorm4n - I saw the discussion on Discord as-to where you should put the card watermark-wise, and I think this is spot-on. Forcing your opponent to discard is especially evil, but hey, it's Warlock, amirite? I think you're good to go, honestly.

    YourPrivateNightmare - Welcome to our little side of things :) I like the idea of permanently revealing the hands: it dramatically changes the game for both players, knowing what your opponent is capable of. I think you're ready to submit, except for one detail: the watermark. Classic/Legacy isn't a good place for him.

    ChickyChick - I think Personality Thief, one expansion before the introduction of Hero Power-focused Quests, is quite mean. It's neat, but I would pass on it. Talon King Terokk would probably just be used as a mass-Power Overwhelming finisher card a la Bloodlust for the Warlock, so the rest of the effect would be unnecessary. That leaves Balance Keeper, which I remember from before: I think it has some interesting decision-making. You can use the "less" to tempo stuff out or make next turn cheaper, or the "more" to slow down your opponent. I would go with that one.

    grumpymonk - Most of the time, "I'm pretending my card replaces (X)" doesn't work out for people because the voters don't seem to care about that, and/or don't want to engage in that thought-experiment. In my experience, they want to vote based on how Hearthstone is, as opposed to what it could be alternatively. Or maybe that's just a "me" problem lol :/ Anyway, I would go with Shadow Conjurer.

    sinti - Eagle Eyes for sure :) The art is perfect, the name is perfect, the set you placed it in is perfect, and the card in general is interesting.

    TheHoax91 - I have to agree with Sinti in-that permanently overwriting your opponent's Hero Power is concerning, but at least they get something out of it? Probably not, though, because you would just build your Druid deck such-that you play as efficiently as possible. It would be neat in a Tavern Brawl, but I don't know about Constructed.

    Friendly

  • Ghoulraiser didn't seem to be too thrilling to most people, and I agree that it does seem difficult to use. Third time is the charm I guess.

    Feedback

    Wailor
    Seems pretty fine to me. I definitely prefer the newer art that you put on it.

    Cydonianknight
    Seems good to go.

    Anchorm4n
    You're welcome. ;)

    Linkblade91
    I did already mention this on Discord, but the flavor is definitely an improvement. I still question how useful it would actually be in Paladin given that it has pretty heavy anti-synergy with the Hero Power.

    Friendly Staff

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    Demonxz95

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    I personally prefer Ghoulraiser, but it  might be a bit too complex. Saint of Order is fine, but giving Divine Shiled to a hero is something we haven't seen yet, so I'd probably make it a Rare or an Epic. Not sure if this makes it worth it to re-do the card, however.

    cydonianknight

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    The new version of Chaotic Notetaker seems much better. I'd say it's good to go.

    linkblade91

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    I liked the previous flavor and art better than the new one, even if this is more connected to the expansion (especially considering many Scholomance spells had a very vanilla flavor, so it wouldn't feel out of place).

  • Can't believe I forgot about Armor Vendor. No idea how since I see that card a lot, lmao.

    Friendly Staff

  • I always new that if I want to not have to give much feedback, I just need to wait so people would already submit. Just kidding of course.

    @Demonxz95

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    I think you should go with either Ghoulraiser or Saint of Order. My only problem with Saint of Order is that I've seen several custom cards with this mechanic, so it's just nothing outstanding for me.

    @linkblade91

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    I think it's pretty good. However, I'm not sure if that's clear that it doesn't summon minions randomly for each player. Maybe it could be 'Fill the board with random minions of each player that died this game'. I'm not sure if this fits in four lines, as well as this still doesn't necessarily state that the minions must be of their owner, but at least a person could recognize that by adding 'unnecessary' text, you want to give sign that it does something different than just summon minions of random player to each player. At least that's how I would word it.

  • You all have 21 hours left if you want to submit a card!

  • Good luck to everyone in the voting :)

    Friendly

  • Good luck fellow finalists!

  • I was pretty sure I would make it this time :(

    Good luck to everyone who arrived to the finals anyway.

  • Good luck to the finalists! Looks like people don't want their cards discarded, who would have known lol? Or I got DQed after all. I'm a bit sad linkblade's card didn't make it, I can still hear those fingers snipping.

  • nice

    At last, my first win.

  • Congrats ChickyChick!