The "Downvote Effect"

Hi, my dear mods and administrators from Out of Cards!!! :) I have noticed something that really pisses me off lately... :( Since Hearthpwn doesn't have a negative vote system on the forums (only on the comments section), people are forced to make posts if they want to really express their opinion against something or someone they don't like, but here, on OOC, many people just downvote others without saying absolutely nothing and there is no room for discussion!!! :(

Ok, ok, I realized I love to be downvoted, it makes me feel good (and powerful XD) for whatever reason, but as I said, many times it prevents discussions that could have been interesting and entertaining. So, what is your opinion about it? Is this good for the forum and the community, or not? We are a community after all, and a community needs real communication, that's what I think... -.-

I downvoted ! Why ? Because you gave me the stick to beat you with ....

From what I understood within your post and here on your first post, I believe you want to know who gave + or - to assert your rights or stop the manipulations. While it sounds reasonable, I think that not knowing who gave upvotes or downvotes -except site Staff for security/privacy reasons- are better, not because I don't care but because one would speak up by himself/herself assuming that he/she is reasonable like me.

In short, what I am getting at is, trust the site Staff and tell them if there's any problem such as manipulations but not if there's something trivial. I mean, have a look at my comment (voted as -4), yet I didn't report it because...

• I wasn't trolling there. My comment was honest that I just wanted to relate Plague of Flames with Darkest Hour.
• Thus, there were no manipulations. People thought that I was wrong, so that I was down-voted.
• There were no personal attacks.

I believe this is how OoC Staff acts regarding + and - votes. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I think. Hope I was clear enough.

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I downvoted ! Why ? Because you gave me the stick to beat you with ....

No, no, don't get me wrong, I don't want to remove the option to downvote others. I just want people to be forced to post if they downvote other user's post (or something like that), that is all (just as you did, hehe, so thank you!!! XD).

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From what I understood within your post and here on your first post, I believe you want to know who gave + or - to assert your rights or stop the manipulations. While it sounds reasonable, I think that not knowing who gave upvotes or downvotes -except site Staff for security/privacy reasons- are better, not because I don't care but because one would speak up by himself/herself assuming that he/she is reasonable like me. 

No, no, I just want to have fun here, I just want to discuss things about Hearthstone with all kind of people, that is all. Is that much to ask??? :(

Oh ok ! It seems legit for me but should it be the same with upvote?

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Oh ok ! It seems legit for me but should it be the same with upvote?

Yeah, you are probably right, that would be really nice!!! :)

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No, no, I just want to have fun here, I just want to discuss things about Hearthstone with all kind of people, that is all. Is that much to ask??? :(

Nope, not at all. Have fun or discuss by all means. Feel free to stay, why feel so sad now :D

1. You say  downvoting "makes me feel good (and powerful)"

2. You compare OoC with Hearthpwn,where the only differce between them is site design (you can stay in Hpwn if you like it more)

So why you want to change the downvote system here and why do you even care how many downvotes you get? 

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1. You say  downvoting "makes me feel good (and powerful)"

2. You compare OoC with Hearthpwn,where the only differce between them is site design (you can stay in Hpwn if you like it more)

So why you want to change the downvote system here and why do you even care how many downvotes you get? 

1. It was just a joke, dude... XD

2. I want to stay on this forum mostly because there are a lot of friendly faces here. The best and nicest users from Hearthpwn moved here (with some exceptions), and I also like Flux and the mods a lot!!! :)

I suppose there is a natural human response when you see someone has obviously disliked your post to want to at least understand why. 

I can get behind that sentiment; if your post was wrong or bad, feedback about why is helpful. 

In hindsight, I guess thats partly why sites like Facebook removed the option to downvote because it feels like the option only exists to upset people. Perhaps its just a minor thing but I agree with what Sherman’s getting at.

To be honest with you, I do this. Not because I necessarily disagree with whatever the title is, but because some posts are just straight up low effort content, not saying yours is.

Like fucking look at the forums and tell me if you see a familiar topic. That’s right, four months after rotation, on a new site, where new ideas and conversations can be had, we still have “Idea to nerf Genn & Baku” shitposts popping up.

So take a grain of salt with upvotes/downvotes, I don’t know how long you’ve been playing, so I don’t know your experiences within the game. But what I can tell you, is that if you see a post getting downvoted even if it seems reasonable to respond, it’s because people have either already seen it or are tired of talking about it

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I will counter your argument with a 180 - having a downvote system gets rid of a certain level of toxicity. Ppl can voice their disagreement with the comment without having to post "clever" responces to diss the person. I know that you live for those, well, you will just have to deal with that :) Im sure you will get some anyways.

Hahaha... Hopefully, Sinti, because I'm not having too much fun here. :P :P :P Thanks for the reply!!! :) :) :)

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I suppose there is a natural human response when you see someone has obviously disliked your post to want to at least understand why. 

I can get behind that sentiment; if your post was wrong or bad, feedback about why is helpful. 

In hindsight, I guess thats partly why sites like Facebook removed the option to downvote because it feels like the option only exists to upset people. Perhaps its just a minor thing but I agree with what Sherman’s getting at.

Thank you, Scorpyon!!! :) :) :)

i though hearthpwn was shutting down ?

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i though hearthpwn was shutting down ?

 

I perfectly remember answering you this question on Hearthpwn some days ago, showing you two links to different articles on the site about this topic. WTF, dude??? :/

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i though hearthpwn was shutting down ?

 

Sorry, I read the whole post and answers, and this made my day XD The post (out of nowhere), the profile pic (looking like lost in time and space), man...

Now, yeah, there should be a system where, if you downvote/upvote, you give a why, but more importantly if you downvote, cause normally there are lots of toxic people that just downvote for the sake of downvoting

I too, miss reading all the angry replies you generate ;)

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i though hearthpwn was shutting down ?

I perfectly remember answering you this question on Hearthpwn some days ago, showing you two links to different articles on the site about this topic. WTF, dude??? :/

I mean, with HP's spaghetti code, I wouldn't be surprised if he just never got a notification for your reply

I always had unconvinced opinions about the whole downvoting system, in any portion of the website, because it is sometimes used to bash people, while i give it's also useful, in average, to kinda educate the users to polite and constructive behavior.

But forcing people to post pretty much kills the whole purpose of a fast and anonymous reaction.

At that point, it's just better to remove the button.

Ironic the op post has - 15(now - 16) downvotes :D

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I always had unconvinced opinions about the whole downvoting system, in any portion of the website, because it is sometimes used to bash people, while i give it's also useful, in average, to kinda educate the users to polite and constructive behavior.

But forcing people to post pretty much kills the whole purpose of a fast and anonymous reaction.

At that point, it's just better to remove the button.

If the system was used in a constructive way, I think it would be fine - the problem however, is that anonymity breeds negativity on the internet (usually). 

An example of this can be seen when a new card is revealed and someone posts something innocuous like “I like this card.” And then gets a dozen downvotes because it wasn't the card that some other angrypeople wanted. There’s not much there in the way of constructive criticism and the poster can feel victimised just for liking a card - that sort of thing can drive users away out of fear that voicing anything positive will be mocked or hated, seemingly without reason. 

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I too, miss reading all the angry replies you generate ;)

 

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i though hearthpwn was shutting down ?

I perfectly remember answering you this question on Hearthpwn some days ago, showing you two links to different articles on the site about this topic. WTF, dude??? :/

I mean, with HP's spaghetti code, I wouldn't be surprised if he just never got a notification for your reply

The notification system in hpwn was broken for around 2 years for me 

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I always had unconvinced opinions about the whole downvoting system, in any portion of the website, because it is sometimes used to bash people, while i give it's also useful, in average, to kinda educate the users to polite and constructive behavior.

But forcing people to post pretty much kills the whole purpose of a fast and anonymous reaction.

At that point, it's just better to remove the button.

If the system was used in a constructive way, I think it would be fine - the problem however, is that anonymity breeds negativity on the internet (usually). 

An example of this can be seen when a new card is revealed and someone posts something innocuous like “I like this card.” And then gets a dozen downvotes because it wasn't the card that some other angrypeople wanted. There’s not much there in the way of constructive criticism and the poster can feel victimised just for liking a card - that sort of thing can drive users away out of fear that voicing anything positive will be mocked or hated, seemingly without reason. 

I totally agree, which is why i am unconvinced of downvoting as a whole. There is an upside, but the downside is probably just as strong.

But forcing a comment feels clunky. Yes, it would prevent some toxicity, but probably it would also generate more spam, or simply drive away users because of clunkyness.

At that point, no downvoting is is  best solution.

Yes, 100% agree. I dont think downvoting ever reall promotes positivity and is probably better to be removed. 

last i look at my response there people gave me retarded answers so I assumed it was still shutting down. i see them now thank you for the links

Obligatory negative comment, granting me right to downvote Sherman.

Now imagine 26 of these (atm)

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I too, miss reading all the angry replies you generate ;)

It was a lot of fun, wasn't it? XD

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last i look at my response there people gave me retarded answers so I assumed it was still shutting down. i see them now thank you for the links

 

You are welcome!!! :)

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Obligatory negative comment, granting me right to downvote Sherman.

Now imagine 26 of these (atm)

That would make the forum feel much more alive, my dear friend. ;)

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Ironic the op post has - 15(now - 16) downvotes :D

No problem dude, all this hate kinda makes me feel a bit like the God Emperor of Mankind now... My hero... The only one... The best of the best... The president of the United States of America... Mr. Donald Trump!!! And I love it!!! :D :D :D

Yesterday, I noticed one of your comment - Sherman1986's views on female streamers - was trending in the negative alley, and I almost replied back to you : ''Classic Sherman, taunting others and then wondering why the hell is everyone just downvoting instead of engaging in a constructive dialogue?'' - but I didn't, because some trolls are better left trolling alone. I'm not reducing you to only that nor am I saying that you are solely a troll and nothing else, but you have to admit that half of your inputs are not promoting any discussion either. I know you have a thick skin and that you are way over those positive/negative internet points, but still, there is room for improvement.
Be the positivity you want to see :)

On a related note, the downvote effect is a real thing. Just like some people are famous for being famous, some comments are being downvoted because they were already downvoted. Call it conformism, bandwagon, peer pressure or simply wanting to fit in or comfort your ego with others opinions. It has a lot to do with social desirability ; some opinions are obviously easier to endorse and rally around.

Best of luck with your social media usage :)

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I know you have a thick skin and that you are way over those positive/negative internet points, but still, there is room for improvement.
Be the positivity you want to see :)

Hehehe... XD Thanks for this comment!!! :D

I suppose you are right... I should adapt to the new circumstances, instead of complaining about them. That's what smart people do after all... I'm going to try to promote discussion on the forum as much as I can while being positive and friendly most of the time. I really don't care about negative votes, they are inevitable, but having some nice conversations with people all around the world is really everything I want here. :)

Seems like an arbitrary thing tbh. Downvotes are "I don't like this but I don't feel the need to explain" and the same goes for upvotes being for things one does agree with with no additional information to add.

it's not that people should be forced to add comment if they simply disagree, because someone can just as easily ignore a comment if there's no downvote option and the effect is now the OP of that comment wondering "Did they disagree or just not see it?" Either outcome doesn't matter because without response or downvote, there was no positive response.

I like the downvote option, since I'll usually voice my opinion if I want to add to the discourse, but the option to simply say "Nah" in a generalized way is better than posting a single "Nah" if I want to disagree without expounding. Trying to force dialogue isn't better than allowing it to happen when users want it engage.

I like how I can't tell if the people downvoting Sherman's OP are seriously triggered or doing it ironically like me because he said he likes downvotes.  Don't know whether to up or downvotes those -1s either (nor if those -1s are serious).  Well done; you've made the system completely meaningless, at least in this thread :D

I don't like to waste my time downvoting someone else.
If I totally disagree with the post, I usually prefer to express my opinion about it.

You should not care about what peoples do, because sometimes they don't have any good damn word to say.

If there is a "downvote effect" it's people's tendency to express themselves once they've seen a sufficient number of others do the same. If a post gets more than say 3 up/downvotes it will tend to accumulate these even if it's not a spectacularly good or bad post.

That said I don't think you can really draw any inferences from people's voting habits to if/how they otherwise express themselves. For all you know some people are more inclined to post a critical reply once they see it's "safe" by the fact that the rest of the forum has already nuked the OP with downvotes.

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I like how I can't tell if the people downvoting Sherman's OP are seriously triggered or doing it ironically like me because he said he likes downvotes.  Don't know whether to up or downvotes those -1s either (nor if those -1s are serious).  Well done; you've made the system completely meaningless, at least in this thread :D

Wait, wait.. I can still make a deck around Hack the System, post it here on Out Of Cards, and relate it to this thread in some way to even get more downvotes!!! :D :D :D

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You should not care about what peoples do, because sometimes they don't have any good damn word to say.

Yeah... That's so true, haha. XD

I love how this trend continues... XD XD XD

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Trying to force dialogue isn't better than allowing it to happen when users want it engage.

Meh... Most people out of there are too shy to truly express themselves, especially nowadays, even on the internet. They live in fear of saying what they really think in terror of not being accepted by others, but not me. ;) Although it's not always effective (well, most of the time it's not :P), forcing dialogue is a way to reveal the hidden truth. Of course, you have to pay a lot of attention to people's comments because usually the truth is hidden on their mistakes (and I'm not talking about grammar ones). ;)

But c'mon guys, my latest posts don't have enough downvotes, I want you to... HIT ME!!! XD XD XD

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Trying to force dialogue isn't better than allowing it to happen when users want it engage.

Meh... Most people out of there are too shy to truly express themselves, especially nowadays, even on the internet. They live in fear of saying what they really think in terror of not being accepted by others, but not me. ;) Although it's not always effective (well, most of the time it's not :P), forcing dialogue is a way to reveal the hidden truth. Of course, you have to pay a lot of attention to people's comments because usually the truth is hidden on their mistakes (and I'm not talking about grammar ones). ;)

For me at least, it's a matter of making the future more convenient for myself rather than needing acceptance.  More recently however, I've come to understand that the alternative can also be valuable in addition to a lot of fun.  It's still tough to break the habit, but I'm getting there, in part thanks to you.  You are such a bad influence!

I don't like the Downvote option because it seems to be used to merely say "I disagree with your post" rather than to penalise spammers, trolls or downright idiotic posts. I find that it breeds a negative atmosphere and turns me off from participating or posting any remotely controversial.

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I like how I can't tell if the people downvoting Sherman's OP are seriously triggered or doing it ironically like me because he said he likes downvotes.  Don't know whether to up or downvotes those -1s either (nor if those -1s are serious).  Well done; you've made the system completely meaningless, at least in this thread :D

It's mostly for the irony, BTW I downvoted every post of Sherman in this thread for the same reason.

BTW nice quad post 0 shame in doing it.

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I should adapt to the new circumstances, instead of complaining about them. That's what smart people do after all... I'm going to try to promote discussion on the forum as much as I can while being positive and friendly most of the time. I really don't care about negative votes, they are inevitable, but having some nice conversations with people all around the world is really everything I want here. :)

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Meh... Most people out of there are too shy to truly express themselves, especially nowadays, even on the internet. They live in fear of saying what they really think in terror of not being accepted by others, but not me. ;) Although it's not always effective (well, most of the time it's not :P), forcing dialogue is a way to reveal the hidden truth. Of course, you have to pay a lot of attention to people's comments because usually the truth is hidden on their mistakes (and I'm not talking about grammar ones). ;)

But c'mon guys, my latest posts don't have enough downvotes, I want you to... HIT ME!!! XD XD XD

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Trying to force dialogue isn't better than allowing it to happen when users want it engage.

Meh... Most people out of there are too shy to truly express themselves, especially nowadays, even on the internet. They live in fear of saying what they really think in terror of not being accepted by others, but not me. ;) Although it's not always effective (well, most of the time it's not :P), forcing dialogue is a way to reveal the hidden truth. Of course, you have to pay a lot of attention to people's comments because usually the truth is hidden on their mistakes (and I'm not talking about grammar ones). ;)

For me at least, it's a matter of making the future more convenient for myself rather than needing acceptance.  More recently however, I've come to understand that the alternative can also be valuable in addition to a lot of fun.  It's still tough to break the habit, but I'm getting there, in part thanks to you.  You are such a bad influence!

"Bad influence"??? Ok, ok, don't tell your parents about it or they aren't going to allow you to hang out with me anymore, my friend!!! :P :P :P

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I don't like the Downvote option because it seems to be used to merely say "I disagree with your post" rather than to penalise spammers, trolls or downright idiotic posts. I find that it breeds a negative atmosphere and turns me off from participating or posting any remotely controversial.

Yeah, that is probably the reason why some Hearthpwners with a very polemic and critical attitude towards Blizzard and/or the community are still, well, on Hearthpwn... :P

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It's mostly for the irony, BTW I downvoted every post of Sherman in this thread for the same reason.

Oh, so you are one of those bastards... XD XD XD

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I should adapt to the new circumstances, instead of complaining about them. That's what smart people do after all... I'm going to try to promote discussion on the forum as much as I can while being positive and friendly most of the time. I really don't care about negative votes, they are inevitable, but having some nice conversations with people all around the world is really everything I want here. :)

 

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Meh... Most people out of there are too shy to truly express themselves, especially nowadays, even on the internet. They live in fear of saying what they really think in terror of not being accepted by others, but not me. ;) Although it's not always effective (well, most of the time it's not :P), forcing dialogue is a way to reveal the hidden truth. Of course, you have to pay a lot of attention to people's comments because usually the truth is hidden on their mistakes (and I'm not talking about grammar ones). ;)

But c'mon guys, my latest posts don't have enough downvotes, I want you to... HIT ME!!! XD XD XD

 

You know what Sherman, while surfing forums on Hearthpwn era and reading your comments, I always thought you are a "honest troll", who likes to make a fun of people's mistakes or bad mouths or trash talks or whatever you call it. I believe that it's not because you want to inflate your ego -as average trolls do that a lot- but because you like to show people's mistakes in a manner of criticism, with a comedian's mind along the way. This is what I should call as "satiric comedy", which I like that in a person. As I quoted your two posts above, I have no doubts that you are in the middle of a fine line, both as a "troll" and as a "comedian", thus being a good guy.

 

My English might not be that good, but these are my points and I stand firm. I look forward to make me laugh 😄

Wow, did you seriously call me a good guy??? That's something rare to say about my persona on these forums, but I apreciate it a lot. Thank you very much!!! :) :) :)

It's true, I love comedy and my purpose on this life is to have as much fun as I can. Of course, sharing that fun with all of you makes everything much better, so I'm really glad I can make you laugh from time to time!!! :D :D :D

Oh, and don't worry about your English when having a conversation with me, Esparanta, it's perfect in my eyes, hehe. ;) ;) ;)

I think we should remove the upvotes. Upvote this if you like the idea.

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I think we should remove the upvotes. Upvote this if you like the idea.

I'm not going to downvote, neither upvote your comment, but c'mon dude, that's not funny. This is a serious thread, you should behave yourself here...

Look all these poor mongrels dancing at the chaos god palm XD

Shermy you should be a politician my boy XD

I think there should be a secret achievement "king of salt"  have 1000 cumulative down votes, Sherman is probably halfway there. 

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Look all these poor mongrels dancing at the chaos god palm XD

Shermy you should be a politician my boy XD

XD

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I think there should be a secret achievement "king of salt"  have 1000 cumulative down votes, Sherman is probably halfway there. 

I would love to obtain such achievement, it would be an honor!!! Hehehe. :P

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Yesterday, I noticed one of your comment - Sherman1986's views on female streamers

Q: How many fedoras do you own?

Sherman: Many, but why do you ask???

How did I miss that?  This is too funny xD

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Yesterday, I noticed one of your comment - Sherman1986's views on female streamers

Q: How many fedoras do you own?

Sherman: Many, but why do you ask???

How did I miss that?  This is too funny xD

I'm glad you are really enjoying this, NightCrawler!!! :)

This new forum truly needs a good dose of vitality... :P

I love this community!!! :)

People should check now: Sherman1986's views on female streamers - 2nd part It's getting a lot of hate... Enjoy!!! XD XD XD

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People should check now: Sherman1986's views on female streamers - 2nd part It's getting a lot of hate... Enjoy!!! XD XD XD

I can't believe people are not only taking your post seriously, but mine too.  I thought it was super obvious.  How can this many people be so clueless???

Apparently not everyone can understand how serious you were being (which is not at all lol)

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People should check now: Sherman1986's views on female streamers - 2nd part It's getting a lot of hate... Enjoy!!! XD XD XD

I can't believe people are not only taking your post seriously, but mine too.  I thought it was super obvious.  How can this many people be so clueless???

Apparently not everyone can understand how serious you were being (which is not at all lol)

Well, people is just being, well... people. :P I upvoted your comment because you made me laugh a lot and knew you wasn't serious, but probably it should be the only upvote your post should have considering the circumstances. XD

Also, thanks for being with me all this time, I appreciate your company and support a lot. Seriously, thanks for everything, my dear NightCrawler!!! :D :D :D

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Moved to Off-Topic, probably should have been here long time ago :p

What? Off-Topic? Why? You are getting a lot of feedback for this amazing and wonderful new forum because all of this, moving this thread to the Off-Topic section doesn't make any sense to me... Could you explain your decision, please? I'm not going to tell you what to do, especially because you are a mod, but I would appreciate a nice explanation here. :) :) :)

The deal with upvoting and downvoting is that a lot of people don't know what it means and use it according to their own perception of the world. In the end, it's pretty meaningless to focus on it all or worry about lost opportunities for discussion. There might not have been anything to talk about and the downvote was intended to be positive. You'd be surprised to learn how many people downvote something because they agree with the negative statement in the post or comment.

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The deal with upvoting and downvoting is that a lot of people don't know what it means and use it according to their own perception of the world. In the end, it's pretty meaningless to focus on it all or worry about lost opportunities for discussion. There might not have been anything to talk about and the downvote was intended to be positive. You'd be surprised to learn how many people downvote something because they agree with the negative statement in the post or comment.

Yeah, but I'm not surprised at all. I use Facebook from time to time and have seen this kind of things plenty of times there (even on Youtube).

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Who cares about down votes. Haters gonna hate.

XD

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People should check now: Sherman1986's views on female streamers - 2nd part It's getting a lot of hate... Enjoy!!! XD XD XD

I can't believe people are not only taking your post seriously, but mine too.  I thought it was super obvious.  How can this many people be so clueless???

Apparently not everyone can understand how serious you were being (which is not at all lol)

Well, people is just being, well... people. :P I upvoted your comment because you made me laugh a lot and knew you wasn't serious, but probably it should be the only upvote your post should have considering the circumstances. XD

Also, thanks for being with me all this time, I appreciate your company and support a lot. Seriously, thanks for everything, my dear NightCrawler!!! :D :D :D

Don't mind me, I'm a simple person; if something is entertaining, I'll be there.  Thank you for making the place more entertaining.  No one else could have generated several triggered posts from just a single misplaced "cute" in a comment

Edit: Now we have someone comparing you to robbers and criminals.  Because of "cute".  wtf xD

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People should check now: Sherman1986's views on female streamers - 2nd part It's getting a lot of hate... Enjoy!!! XD XD XD

I can't believe people are not only taking your post seriously, but mine too.  I thought it was super obvious.  How can this many people be so clueless???

Apparently not everyone can understand how serious you were being (which is not at all lol)

Well, people is just being, well... people. :P I upvoted your comment because you made me laugh a lot and knew you wasn't serious, but probably it should be the only upvote your post should have considering the circumstances. XD

Also, thanks for being with me all this time, I appreciate your company and support a lot. Seriously, thanks for everything, my dear NightCrawler!!! :D :D :D

Don't mind me, I'm a simple person; if something is entertaining, I'll be there.  Thank you for making the place more entertaining.  No one else could have generated several triggered posts from just a single misplaced "cute" in a comment

Edit: Now we have someone comparing you to robbers and criminals.  Because of "cute".  wtf xD

Hehe, you're welcome!!! :D :D :D

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Moved to Off-Topic, probably should have been here long time ago :p

What? Off-Topic? Why? You are getting a lot of feedback for this amazing and wonderful new forum because all of this, moving this thread to the Off-Topic section doesn't make any sense to me... Could you explain your decision, please? I'm not going to tell you what to do, especially because you are a mod, but I would appreciate a nice explanation here. :) :) :)

We were getting some feedback at first, but it eventually took a turn, surprise surprise. Now you can continue in Off-Topic ;-)

If that is what the law says, I have no choice but to obey it!!! :) :) :)