Reborn interaction assumption needs confirmation.

Submitted 5 years, 4 months ago by

As we all know things in HS don't always work the way we assume so this thread can serve as a hypothesis pool for mythbusting the Reborn keyword.. 

I'll start by asking two:

1- does a buffed up or transformed ( Jepetto Joybuzz , Barnes , Crystal Core ) reborn minion come back as the original card? .

2- are there cards that would interact with the resummoned minion (crystal core v/s Sword of Justice and High Priest Amet )

  • ARES's Avatar
    Hungry Ghost 315 199 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 5 years, 4 months ago

    As we all know things in HS don't always work the way we assume so this thread can serve as a hypothesis pool for mythbusting the Reborn keyword.. 

    I'll start by asking two:

    1- does a buffed up or transformed ( Jepetto Joybuzz , Barnes , Crystal Core ) reborn minion come back as the original card? .

    2- are there cards that would interact with the resummoned minion (crystal core v/s Sword of Justice and High Priest Amet )

    ARES summons Erymanthian Huffer.

    ARES declares attack with Huffer .

    Adonis' hp reached 0. ARES wins!

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  • sinti's Avatar
    Senior Writer Chocolate Cake 2070 2792 Posts Joined 10/20/2018
    Posted 5 years, 4 months ago

    Reborn minion is a fresh copy with 1 Health remaining, so it will reset any buff / debuffs the original had. If you have Crystal Core active, it will probably come back as a 4/4.

    And yes, SoJ or Amet should affect reborn minions, pretty much everything that interacts with summoning minions, not just playing them.

    I guess the only question is how will Crystal Core affect the outcomes. If the minion's stats are first changed to 4/4 and then the "debuff" to lower the health is applied, or if it is the other way around, or if first a minion is summoned, then buffed with SoJ and then changed to 4/4 stats (dont think this will be the case, but who knows).

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar
    Ancestral Recall 1585 2271 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 5 years, 4 months ago

    According to the devs reborn is coded like divine shield every interaction with divine shield minions should have the same interaction as reborn.

    If you resummon a divine shield minion it gets divine shield, if you copy a divine shield minion it has divine shield as long as it had divine shield.

    If you cast Embalming Ritual or Psychopomp on a reborn minion or a minion that already has reborn NOTHING happens! (people were speculating about doubling the Embalming Ritual on leeroy THIS DOESN'T WORK).

     

    reborn is a reverse divine shield you kill a minion then you have to deal 1 damage, you can judge them as "deathrattle: summon a X/1(injured with original hp) copy of this minion without reborn" for value I mean for example Bone Wraith is a 4 mana 3/5 with "deathrattle: summon a 2/1 Bone Wraith without reborn"

     

     

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  • Almaniarra's Avatar
    HearthStationeer 1000 1509 Posts Joined 03/21/2019
    Posted 5 years, 4 months ago

    for Crystal Core; summoned minion by Reborn minion will probably be 4/1 and damaged without reborn which can be healed maximum to 4 or just a 4/4 copy without reborn.

    for High Priest Amet, The summoned minion by reborn always have same health with him without reborn.

    For Barnes, Jepetto Joybuzz and other cards like those; it will work like deathrattle minions. If it is 1/1 Colossus of the Moon, it will summon 10/1 damaged Colossus of the Moon without reborn.

    If it isn't stated on the card like Immortal Prelate, The minions which summoned by Reborn effect won't have buffs like Sword of Justice or Blessing of Kings. I mean; for example, If your [Hearthstone Card (Swords of Justice) Not Found] has 1 durability and you played a Bone Wraith, it will get +1/+1 from Sword of Justice and became 3/6 with Taunt and reborn and will break Sword of Justice. When it dies, it will summon a 2/1 Bone Wraith with Taunt and without reborn and buff. If Sword of Justice had 1 more durability, it would be 3/2 with taunt and without Reborn.

    But I really wonder Immortal Prelate interactions. Card holds any enchantments when it summoned with any effect. If a priest steals it from a Paladin and gives it Embalming Ritual, Will summoned minion by Immortal Prelate also have Reborn? That's the real question. If it will have, That will be an infinite Immortal Prelate on board.

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  • Mercynary9's Avatar
    355 239 Posts Joined 03/31/2019
    Posted 5 years, 4 months ago

    So what about this Resurrection interaction?

    Let's say I started playing a reborn minion. Then I wanted to resummon it.

    If I have one reborn minion that died twice in my graveyard (alone), will there be a chance to resummon a minion without reborn? Or does it completely ignore the token version of a reborn minion?

    EDIT: Just wanted to confirm DoubleSummon's words.

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  • ARES's Avatar
    Hungry Ghost 315 199 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 5 years, 4 months ago

    Another question is the famous "this minion" interaction ..  what triggers first an Elixir of Hope / Spirit Echo or the reborn ?

    ARES summons Erymanthian Huffer.

    ARES declares attack with Huffer .

    Adonis' hp reached 0. ARES wins!

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  • Synesthesy's Avatar
    240 142 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 5 years, 4 months ago
    Quote From Mercynary9

    So what about this Resurrection interaction?

    Let's say I started playing a reborn minion. Then I wanted to resummon it.

    If I have one reborn minion that died twice in my graveyard (alone), will there be a chance to resummon a minion without reborn? Or does it completely ignore the token version of a reborn minion?

    EDIT: Just wanted to confirm DoubleSummon's words.

    If it works like divine shield, the keyword is resected when the minions is resummoned. So the resureccted minion would have reborn again.

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