You can also alternatively use Spectral Matron on Watcher. While it does not reduce the cost outright, it lets you play multiple copies of it, giving more resilliance to your win condition, and Matron itself costs 8 to further reduce the Cost.
You do not understand me right. In fact, you just put a very long wall of text into my mouth.
So once again, for those who think they know my opinion better than I do: CORE SET GOOD, but we don't need to pretend veteran players are coming out ahead.
I apologize if you think I'm putting words in your mouth. I merely meant to state my understanding of your argument explicitly as an anchor for my counterargument. I understand full well that you think the Core Set is good for the game, and did not mean to suggest otherwise.
My point in bringing up the notion of a refund was merely to point out that most people who have a full Classic set have already derived a great deal of value from the resources they've spent to get it. This gets at a question of fairness, which I believe is implicit in any notion that this change is worse for some players and not others (in this case, veteran players with full Classic sets and not new players).
I do not, and it would save everyone a lot of time if you would avoid conflating the opinions of different people you disagree with.
That I appeared to be conflating opinions is mere coincidence. I started writing this post well before H0lySatan posted, but was delayed in finishing it until much later. I hadn't even read that post before providing my view.
I merely pointed out that certain assets – assets that were once believed to have ongoing value in Standard – no longer hold value. That's not a sunk-cost fallacy.
I think you've largely side-stepped my point about sunk cost by saying that the value of these Classic cards has decreased. That's entirely true, but has nothing to do with the sunk cost fallacy. The sunk cost fallacy is treating the value of a veteran player's full set of Classic cards as a relevant input for the decision to spend money on Hearthstone expansions simply because they've spent resources (money, time, etc.) on getting it. Perhaps if they were taking away the Classic set without replacing it, you could make that case; that would mean you'd need even more cards from the expansion to build good decks, which would very obviously drive up the cost.
But because they're replacing it, the Classic set's value is irrelevant to the decision to buy into an expansion/spend more time playing Hearthstone - this is true regardless of whether you've sunk money or time or both into it, and it's true regardless of whether it has lost or gained value as a set. Only the value of the new Core Set can be used to inform whether Hearthstone is getting more or less expensive (i.e. whether you'll need more or fewer expansion cards to make a good deck in Standard). Blizzard has been clear that their aim is to make the Core Set more relevant to the metagame than the Classic and Basic sets are today, so that should result in lower costs moving forward for every player.
I think it is fine that some of the quests want you to play a specific mode. You get 3 quests and 7 chances to re-roll them, which makes it very easy to avoid doing any quests you don't want.
As I already pointed out, it is not "very easy." The pool of weekly quests is extremely small -- there are only nine of them if you don't count the permanent Ranked quest. Three of the nine have to do with Battlegrounds and/or other modes. That means every time you reroll, you have a 25% chance to get another Battlegrounds quest, and there's no failsafe in place to keep you from getting a quest you abandoned earlier in the week. So a string of slightly bad luck can leave you having to finish the entire weekly quest in just a few days.
What we're talking about are golden copies of the former Basic cards. That should be the group of cards that could net quite some dust for the majority of players IF it is possible to disenchant them. Which I strongly doubt to be honest.
The non-golden copies of former Basic cards are a different topic, since they might be useful in the new Classic mode, Wild or a future game mode we don't know about yet.
We should also keep in mind that they'll all be converted to common cards, so even if it is possible to disenchant them, you won't get rich unless your class levels are high and/or you commit to only ever play Standard (which advise against as well).
While I agree that all quest should be able to be reroll, I wonder if there's gonna be any use for the 4th slot in the weekly quest. So far, Legendary quests always placed in the daily one.
Sometimes UI designers wisely choose to leave space for unspecified future content.
I'm not so sure about Basic cards though. Are you sure it will be possible to dust them? I somehow remember having read that it isn't. If you're right, that's really great news!
I've wondered this too. Yes we could when basic cards got hall of famed, but this is a different situation.
Hope we can, but I'm not counting my dust until it's hatched. (or something that makes sense there).
There's no longer such a thing as a Basic set. Former Basic cards are now part of the Legacy set and are craftable and disenchantable. I still advise against it.
I like the LoR look more though.. Taliyah in league looks a lot more awkward, I prefer her with normal eyebrows.. the skin tone is too bright for desert borne person though that much is true but I wouldn't change the eyebrows in LoR... rather change those in league..
I bitched about hush when it was first released. Watched it get nerfed a bit. My dragon deck has 3 copies of hush. Any deck I build with Targon has 3 copies of Hush. I use Targon where I might use other regions because Hush. Hush is very powerful. It costing just spell mana is comical. Also spellshield should be a single turn
I'm not so sure about Basic cards though. Are you sure it will be possible to dust them? I somehow remember having read that it isn't. If you're right, that's really great news!
I've wondered this too. Yes we could when basic cards got hall of famed, but this is a different situation.
Hope we can, but I'm not counting my dust until it's hatched. (or something that makes sense there).
Despite not putting in much time into HS lately, and some „spending-sprees", I'm at about 1.3k, only 700 away from my usual goal. Lvl is 105.
I expect that I'd be benefiting from the new system (am probably one of only 5 people that thought so), but this turned out better for me than I guessed!
Still not playing the game, deleted the client from everywhere and I am not even following what's going on, and glad I did it, playing LoR instead 100% better game.
Lissandra Champion Reveal and New Freljord Cards for Runeterra's Empires of the Ascended Expansion
You can also alternatively use Spectral Matron on Watcher. While it does not reduce the cost outright, it lets you play multiple copies of it, giving more resilliance to your win condition, and Matron itself costs 8 to further reduce the Cost.
Reality check: Core isn't saving everyone money
I apologize if you think I'm putting words in your mouth. I merely meant to state my understanding of your argument explicitly as an anchor for my counterargument. I understand full well that you think the Core Set is good for the game, and did not mean to suggest otherwise.
My point in bringing up the notion of a refund was merely to point out that most people who have a full Classic set have already derived a great deal of value from the resources they've spent to get it. This gets at a question of fairness, which I believe is implicit in any notion that this change is worse for some players and not others (in this case, veteran players with full Classic sets and not new players).
That I appeared to be conflating opinions is mere coincidence. I started writing this post well before H0lySatan posted, but was delayed in finishing it until much later. I hadn't even read that post before providing my view.
I think you've largely side-stepped my point about sunk cost by saying that the value of these Classic cards has decreased. That's entirely true, but has nothing to do with the sunk cost fallacy. The sunk cost fallacy is treating the value of a veteran player's full set of Classic cards as a relevant input for the decision to spend money on Hearthstone expansions simply because they've spent resources (money, time, etc.) on getting it. Perhaps if they were taking away the Classic set without replacing it, you could make that case; that would mean you'd need even more cards from the expansion to build good decks, which would very obviously drive up the cost.
But because they're replacing it, the Classic set's value is irrelevant to the decision to buy into an expansion/spend more time playing Hearthstone - this is true regardless of whether you've sunk money or time or both into it, and it's true regardless of whether it has lost or gained value as a set. Only the value of the new Core Set can be used to inform whether Hearthstone is getting more or less expensive (i.e. whether you'll need more or fewer expansion cards to make a good deck in Standard). Blizzard has been clear that their aim is to make the Core Set more relevant to the metagame than the Classic and Basic sets are today, so that should result in lower costs moving forward for every player.
My wish for weekly quests
As I already pointed out, it is not "very easy." The pool of weekly quests is extremely small -- there are only nine of them if you don't count the permanent Ranked quest. Three of the nine have to do with Battlegrounds and/or other modes. That means every time you reroll, you have a 25% chance to get another Battlegrounds quest, and there's no failsafe in place to keep you from getting a quest you abandoned earlier in the week. So a string of slightly bad luck can leave you having to finish the entire weekly quest in just a few days.
Reality check: Core isn't saving everyone money
What we're talking about are golden copies of the former Basic cards. That should be the group of cards that could net quite some dust for the majority of players IF it is possible to disenchant them. Which I strongly doubt to be honest.
The non-golden copies of former Basic cards are a different topic, since they might be useful in the new Classic mode, Wild or a future game mode we don't know about yet.
We should also keep in mind that they'll all be converted to common cards, so even if it is possible to disenchant them, you won't get rich unless your class levels are high and/or you commit to only ever play Standard (which advise against as well).
My wish for weekly quests
Sometimes UI designers wisely choose to leave space for unspecified future content.
Reality check: Core isn't saving everyone money
There's no longer such a thing as a Basic set. Former Basic cards are now part of the Legacy set and are craftable and disenchantable. I still advise against it.
Riot Commits to Reworking Taliyah's Artwork in Legends of Runeterra
I like the LoR look more though.. Taliyah in league looks a lot more awkward, I prefer her with normal eyebrows.. the skin tone is too bright for desert borne person though that much is true but I wouldn't change the eyebrows in LoR... rather change those in league..
Is Targon Ruining Your Enjoyment Of The Game?
I bitched about hush when it was first released. Watched it get nerfed a bit. My dragon deck has 3 copies of hush. Any deck I build with Targon has 3 copies of Hush. I use Targon where I might use other regions because Hush.
Hush is very powerful. It costing just spell mana is comical.
Also spellshield should be a single turn
Reality check: Core isn't saving everyone money
I've wondered this too. Yes we could when basic cards got hall of famed, but this is a different situation.
Hope we can, but I'm not counting my dust until it's hatched. (or something that makes sense there).
Rewards Track: Current progress
Despite not putting in much time into HS lately, and some „spending-sprees", I'm at about 1.3k, only 700 away from my usual goal. Lvl is 105.
I expect that I'd be benefiting from the new system (am probably one of only 5 people that thought so), but this turned out better for me than I guessed!
Classic set - speculation
I wonder what tribes will get supported. Hoping for Elemental Shaman!
Glad I am not playign this game anymore
Still not playing the game, deleted the client from everywhere and I am not even following what's going on, and glad I did it, playing LoR instead 100% better game.
My Pack
Not a very good pack name.
SIRIUS, SE VUOI TI INSEGNO
Sirius...Black?
My pack
Horrible title.
My Pack
Bad card pack name.
My Pack
Bad title.
My Pack1
No, pack of 5
That's..........highly unlikely.
Blues Brothers 2000
Pack 9
I count 5 cards.
1700
1748*
Bug?
Not bug, snake.
pack2
I count 5.
1
A 3, 2, & 0
pack 1
I see 5 cards.