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To counter the "losing isn't fun" narrative here is a gonk druid game i played yesterday

https://hsreplay.net/replay/FXebKMUyZUwU2ApVNohXUD

Now i haven't played gonk druid in maybe a month, i've been playing warrior, or hunter, or warlock so when i went in to play this old deck i forgot i was still testing around cards and trying out a new deck.

The game started out really well, i have all the removal i needed against the demon hunter i was able to coin out Oaken Summons into Oaken Summons without drawing my patches and i was even able to easily reduce the cost of my gonk with Dreampetal Florist. It wasn't until about halfway through right about this point, that i noticed in my deck tracker. I didn't have Faceless Manipulator, Shan'do Wildclaw, or even Germination to copy my gonk and actually win the game, i didn't run sidequest for more damage if i needed it. I had no way to win the game. Everything i did this game, did not matter. But i kept playing. I kept playing against an opponent playing a class that did not deserve my time. Because the game had been fun to me up to that point. That's hearthstone to me. After the game i laughed to myself as i changed the deck to actually have a win condition. But it was still fun going in knowing i would lose.

LOTS of potential synergies here -- e.g., Hexcore Foundry + puffcaps, Nyandroid + Mentor of the Stones. Love to see that!

So... I have made this entire 7 cards combo that did not work as expected:

- I have used Emperor Thaurissan to reduce the cost of the combo pieces. 

- Before finishing my turn, I have copied the Emperor with Mirage Caller, to reduce the cost of the hand by 2 mana. 

- In the next turn I dropped King Togwaggle.

- Now, for the failed combo: Play two Radiant Elemental.

- Now comes the turn of Mindrender Illucia.

- Once you have your opponent's hand, play King's Ransom.

I thought I was so clever, only to find out that my opponent got his deck back, and I was left empty handed. 

So now I play simple Murozond the Infinite combo. But Illlucia will come back in my next UNBEATABLE aggro Peirst! Nobody tried that before right? :)

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Genuine question: Why even try to be competitive in Hearthstone?

Because losing isn't fun.

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Not for Spikes no, but losing isn't actually a problem for many. I know I am perfectly fine with losing as long as the game itself was interesting, either because I at least got to do what my deck was built for or the opponent does something unexpected. Really I'm even more relaxed than that: as long as my deck's main goal comes within sight - even if I don't quite piece it together - then that at least gives me hope that I might manage it soon. There's also the side where some players just feel icky using a strong meta deck to win, and the emotional cost of using them is worse than the cost of losing with something else.

So I guess I would refine "losing isn't fun" to "failing to achieve what you set out to do isn't fun". That keeps the same meaning for Spikes who only intend to win so losing amounts to failing, while also accounting for Johnnys and Timmys getting enjoyment out of a loss so long as they are realistic and don't expect to win every game.

This is why I dislike aggro metas. I don't dislike aggro decks themselves, but when they are dominant you are not given much freedom on what you can realistically try to do. It is also why I hate Tickatus, since he's bound to crap on anything I'm trying to do if the meta slows down. I'm pretty pessimistic about the enjoyability of Standard for the next year or so, not because I will lose games, but because I won't even be allowed to try any of my usual shenanigans.

The Chamber keyword is cool.

I know. I have now replaced 'you' with Woop to remove the ambiguity in what I wrote.

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Genuine question: Why even try to be competitive in Hearthstone?

In the end, competitiveness in HS is reaching a level where if you lose, it's only because you could have played better instead of being able to afford better cards. You can try again, improve yourself or switch some tech cards around. That's where the fun of success begins. No hard feelings, I hope you understand my viewpoint.

I respect that answer, but it almost seems impossible because 'playing better' simply doesn't exist anymore due to the amount of 'Created by' RNG in the game.

That's another problem..

It bothers me a lot to play a suboptimal list without it's actual win condition and key cards.. and I want to try a variety of decks.. expected the new system to aid in that aobut what it did? a small stingy increase in the economy in some cases while requiring more commitment, how are you expecting the playerbase to accept that?

I must be as blind as Woop was when they first designed The Fifth Horseman, because I don't see why it would be "disgustingly overpowered". If it required summoning minions then sure, but actually playing 5 of them in a turn is pretty tough to do.

money spent

I know its the salt thread, but as a friendly PSA, you have to play the base version of the corrupt card for the quest, bcs the HS team just doesn’t care anymore

Thanks friend. I updated the deck there. Pop by my stream sometime and I'll thank you in person :D

Total bullshit. Nothing to counter aggro with. Dead before turn 5 against the majority of the decks.