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Thanks for the quick response! Glad to see you're still paying attention to my all-time favorite deck. (I've been playing even warlock since Genn came out.) As a side note, what kind of decks do you enjoy brewing? I enjoy the process of making my own decks, but lack the finesse to make them good.

Tweaked it slightly but yeah, 1st try, works like a charm. Had my opponent zerged down by turn 3.

Will this card finally make Leona + Yasuo a viable partnership? Probably not, but it's fun to pretend.

What I'm really excited about are frostbite shenanigans. Winter's Breath + this card = good OTK potential.

I don't like it. It does effectively allow you to "chain" Behold 8+, which I guess is a good thing; however you're paying a lot of mana for mid-game ramp and maybe 1-2 draws with no impact on board state. I just can't help but think there are existing popular Warmothers decks that already do ramp better, usually a la 3x Wyrding Stones and 3x Catalyst of Aeons.

Putting the bulk cards for the update into this thread. Overall new landmarks are always good but nothing I'm too hyped for personally.

Still at gold 5. Now at platinum 5.

Lackeys are strong! Couple easy wins with warlock. 
Defile allows some crazy board clear-comebacks aswell.

Oh and a spicy addition is broom! Allows some neat value trades and tempo gains as early as turn 2-3.

Finally, don’t miss out on fire fly. Two one drops in one card is bonker

I don't think this will be an extremely successful card (i.e., in terms of winrate), but I do anticipate it being a very fun card. Random L2 champions are probably good enough to consistently win Expeditions but not Constructed, so you'll need a bit of luck on your side too.

If anything, I'm sad that they made this an Epic as it seems like it would be a fun memey deck that casuals would enjoy.  

with this deck :)

easy brawl win

Tavern Brawl · Zoolock · by Grumpy000 · 6 years ago

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While i don't see a particular deck for this card yet, i see that this card has potential and could make some Taric list a thing 

Given how nutty Zenith Blade has proven to be, I foresee a lot of innovations. Permanent overwhelm can make a lot of difference on the right unit.

For individual card critiques, see the individual discussion threads. That is why they exist.

Very cool idea for an expansion, that's such a cool story to tell! I especially like how every class covers both sides of the conflict. My favorite card is the Shadow Hunter. Well done!

i'm glad you've liked, i also like The Shadow Hunter and the whole Weapon Hunter archtype (Wich inicially was suposed to be Spell Hunter 2.0), but my personal favorite is Derek Ashraiser, by far.

Wow, props to you man for your dedication in not only creating an entire expansion of your own but also for original content.

You're artwork that you've chosen matches your theme very well. As times it's quite a step away from the current, "bubbly" artwork they're going with. Where did you stock your images? They're awesome. 

Some great concepts, quite bleak. I'm really impressed that you've dedicated so much of your time to lay this all out clearly for everyone to enjoy.

Thank you for your comment, i really appreciated your positive feedback. About the images, i'm not sure i get what you meant, if you asked were i host the card images and the logos, i used Imgur, there's only custom sets and the logo in my gallery for now, so i think it's not worth sharing. But in case you meant where i get the art for the cards, it was in numerous images hosters, like Artstation (my fav), Pinterest, Hearthcards, etc, those sites have some excelent artworks for card arts. But here's a secret: There's a lot of "Photoshoped' arts in the set to fit the flavour, like Derek, Pocket Picker or Multi Ammo.

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Again, i doubt that this card is competetive. Sure it is in theory infinite value but in practice it is just too slow and unreliable to be any competetive 

If that's true -- if it's really not worth playing -- that's just another reason to hate it.

You don't have a sense for fun and casual card designs do you?

The Abyss is not meant to be part of top tier, it is meant for fun times in friendly pvp matches what is great!

You won't lose any mmr, won't have to deal with it in competetive play and timmis got spectacular moments to make youtube material of...

I call that a huge win without great risk to backfire 

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Again, i doubt that this card is competetive. Sure it is in theory infinite value but in practice it is just too slow and unreliable to be any competetive 

If that's true -- if it's really not worth playing -- that's just another reason to hate it.

@Cursed Parrot: The problem is that you can have this on the board in addition to Mindsplitter, Warmother's Call, and Celestials. I totally agree that this card isn't a win condition on its own, but if you can play it and stabilize, you can just sit back and wait for a winning card to appear -- either from the Abyss or from the good cards you have in your deck. You don't stop drawing after you've played this card, so your chances of finding something useful increase dramatically. If your hand fills up with cheap Champs, you can always play them and immediately play over them as needed.

Tried with a Wild Token Druid, easy Turn 4 win. Use the exact same deck you'd use on ladder, except maybe take out Embiggen, go face. Simple as that. First deck I found online: AAEBAZICApG8AoQXDvutA7nSA/2nA+UH+cwD3MwD6BXNuwLUBYgO6bAD9wPG0QPmBQA=

I like how many Keyword granting cards are being added in the CotM expansions, it allows for big bodies to be at least somewhat viable. This card seems like it'd be used mainly for either Star Shepherd or Vi. It also provides a non-support body for support decks, which could make it better in that deck than Zenith Blade. 

I just did Rogue with almost everything deathrattle that summoned something else.  That kept the lolz going. 

@FortyDust

Sure this is kind of infinite value, but it is infinite value of random champions. Because of that, if the opponent has any way to finish the game the Infinite value won't matter. I also calculated it and the average cost of a champion is 4.33 mana (58% of champions cost 4 or less and 79% of champions cost 5 or less), so the champions you get from Howling Abyss likely won't be able to compete with something like an Infinite Mindsplitter, Warmother's Call, or Celestials for late-game power. Having only 5 unit slots also limits the power of the ability by a lot (because in the late game you might have a full board and your 4/4 Fiora in hand becomes really useless). Not all infinite value is necessarily bad (for example, a card that filled your hand with 1 cost Poros every round would be a fine card). Howling Abyss isn't even a win condition, it's a meme condition.

P.S. I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I just wanted to show you my thought process from "I hate this" to "this is probably fine"  

Thanks for the strat! Super clean, super quick :)

I assume you're talking about the Howling Abyss. I think that it's probably a fine card (it doesn't activate the "When I Level Up" champion abilities, so it doesn't have insane highrolls like Maokai) but it signals a willingness to sacrifice LoR-appropriate card design for LoL references. Rather than going with something that reflects the Lore or Freljord's mechanics, they went with a LoL reference, sacrificing the ability to give Freljord a Landmark that could actually create new decks. I would be more fine with this if it were just a meme epic like Pursuit of Perfection, but it is taking up the Landmark spot for this expansion and using an important lore location. All that being said, meme RNG cards do have a place in LoR (as long as they aren't competitively viable or represent a large part of the meta) so I'm excited to try this card out and have some fun games. 7 Mana for "Round Start: Create a slightly better than average card in hand" is extremely easy to punish with any deck that isn't super grindy control, so it really shouldn't be problematic to deal with. 

I'm gonna take the guess and that it's probably Soraka since a bunch of her cards was already revealed so they don't have as much of her cards left. 

My favourites are #2, #4 and #5. Generaly the ones without minion requirement.

Kinda fun, then bends my mind with all the possibilities. Go face, my son. An opponent missed lethal because they spent so much time trading. They killed me anyway, but the principle of the thing, you see. 

Is this perhaps the reason to play Freljord Purrsuit of Perfection?

I have doubts that Landmarks will find a place in the meta.