I'm wondering about the 2 support cards. They don't state "this round" for the buffs. Is this inconsistent wording or does anyone think it's a permanent buff in stats? (All other support cards specify "this round", except Shen and stirred spirits - but barrier and ephemeral only last one round by definition anyway)
Edit: ok I realised the cards say "Grant" instead of "Give", thus the buffs are indeed permanent.
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Thank God. When I read the article about this I was ready to say goodbye to Hearthstone. Been playing since launch and have every card made (half of them golden). I am a daily player, but not for hours every day. I truly enjoy Hearthstone but will not spend hours everyday playing it. I am very happy with what Lee said.
I say more power to them (and to everyone who missed out the first time). The preorders are about the packs, with a major bonus on top of that of course, but I didn't pay for exclusive rights to a skin. I got my money's worth out of Mecha Jaraxxus and the like; don't see why others can't experience the same thing.
I honestly feel like people have even less legs to stand on in this debate versus the one about the card backs, 'cause at least you could say "well I had to earn the card backs." You didn't earn anything for the skin; you just ponied up the money for it.
This is a really good take! I was one that misread the battle pass stuff earlier, and I would hate for it to screw over F2P players. I would love a system that is affordable, fun, and rewarding. How I envision battle passes work is like that, but the survey one we saw didn't seem like that. I too hope the devs can create a system that's best for everyone.
No more exclusivity? Well, no more money from me Blizzard. I ain’t pre-ordering sh*t from now on since I can just wait for few years and get it for the actual price.
If you’re willing to wait literal YEARS for the aesthetic reward to come back around, I’m pretty sure that you’re a devoted enough player that you’re not going to be content with just F2P packs. They’ll get your money one way or the other.
Comparing this to Plaza Guardian is understandable, but you have to remember that Overwhelm is about a million times better than Quick Attack in the endgame, when you're more often trying to deal lethal, not just fight for the board.
Anyway, there are plenty of decks already in existence that would have this costing less than 5 in short order. Targon doesn't need to bring more to the table in order to make this good, but I'm sure it will anyway.
I was thinking that comparison too, but I was thinking even with the overwhelm this--like Plaza Guardian--is more-so meme material than competitive.
Specifically, I envisioned a Targon + P&Z deck featuring:
No more exclusivity? Well, no more money from me Blizzard. I ain’t pre-ordering sh*t from now on since I can just wait for few years and get it for the actual price.
this is nice, now I can add guys like Hazelbark, Sylvannas and Khadgar to my collection.
But man I was kinda hoping for any news on a new hero for Rogue. They did a little tongue in cheek tease for the Tauren druid hero but Rogue's the only class out of the original 9 with less than 2 hero portraits.
If you're up against a Freljord deck that doesn't run any Fast spells, what else are you going to use it on?
You're going to include Bastion (or Deny) to protect your units from magic. You can't know ahead of time what specific spells those will be. Against Freljord, Deny is very often a dead card. Bastion isn't.
Also note that as a Burst-speed spell, Bastion cannot be countered by Deny.
This is going to be a total feast-or-famine card. 5 mana for 2/5 worth of stats is bad--massive tempo loss compared to other popular 5-drop like Avarosan Hearthguard, Thresh, Garen, Radiant Guardian, etc. But 5 mana for 6/9 worth of stats over 3 bodies is insane. So I think she's going to thrive on decks that can keep units on board (think today's bannerman decks), but in general the payoff isn't going to be enough for most decks.
I think it is a bad idea honestly, for 1 card to look differently in 3 places. It can be confusing as hell.
However... Introducing just nice alternate arts is great for the game. It gives existing players, or players who care about it, a goal to play towards.
I generally don't care that much about arts in HS... but I can see alternate cards being quite popular, and I think they should have introduced it a damn long time ago. It's a great way to monetize the game.
When a card says "Do X to do Y," the X part must be possible before the Y part can happen, and the X part happens regardless of whether the Y part actually goes off.
With Noxian Fervor, it's clear that the 3 damage to an ally will always happen, even if the enemy target gains SpellShield.
With Vile Feast, it appears to be sufficient that you target an enemy unit for the Drain, and does not matter whether the Drain actually occurs (see Barrier), so that means the spiderling would indeed be summoned.
One thing I think everyone can agree on is it will DEFINITELY be nice to be able to just play BG or Arena or Tavern Brawl and not miss out on the daily quest rewards because we don't want to play standard or wild.
Nos llevaron de la alternancia Expansión/Aventura a 3 Expansiones por año
Nos dijeron que no se publicarían aventuras y nos han hecho pagar por distintas aventuras después de LoE
Implementaron las dobles legendarias de clase
Todas las 'ayudas', legendarias, y ahora épicas, no repetidas, son un impulso genial para el coleccionismo, pero carece de valor para el f2p que abre entre 60 y 80 sobres por expansión.
Modificaron las recompensas (misiones) al inicio de este año sin decir nada en el parche. Nauseabundo. Un mínimo de 5 sobres menos por cuatrimestre.
Han creado cartas dobles que encarecen el juego sin que por el momento escuche las críticas que debería por parte de streamers, webs de seguimiento, incluso de HS mathematics.
Lanzan el globo sonda de un Battlepass nefasto, y ahora intentan, como bien comentas, calmar aguas para seguir su camino, el de la extorsión.
Están llevando cosméticos de temporada a la tienda, todo orientado a la recaudación, sin ceder nada a la dedicación al juego, sin recompensar adecuadamente el tiempo que algunos jugadores le dedican a este juego, a su visibilidad, deteriorada, pero que todavía lo estaría más de no contar con el apoyo de todos ellos.
No sé lo que sucederá pero si sé lo que me gustaría ocurriese. Me gustaría que desde Reddit se boicoteara el juego si las acciones que lleven a cabo no son éticas, si dejan de ser un juego f2p para pasar a ser un extorsionador de tiempo o un p2w; dejar de jugar, a ver quién necesita a quién.
Lo sé, lo sé, utópico y poco posibilista aunque desde hace mucho que no cuentan con mi tiempo, lo indispensable, ni un segundo más.
By the way -- Yip confirmed via Twitter that SpellShield stops only the effect on the unit it protects. It does not cancel the entire spell the way Fizz does.
First of all - I'm opposed to (and I hate) any paid advantage in games except for skins. In ideal world you would be able to EARN everything just by playing (which is why I'm not playing Hearthstone anymore, i switched to Legends of Runeterra).
I'm also aware of what Blizzard is doing with their games - having both item shop (with mounts, pets, max lvl, and more) AND paid membership is ludicrous. And for them Hearthstone players are nothing more than dairy cow (see cost of lootboxes aka card packs).
I only stated that what they are about to do is taking away exclusive aspect of hero arts - they advertised them as such.
They used to be rare because you couldn't but them anymore. Now they loose their rare value.
SpellShield is a New Keyword Coming in Call of the Mountain - 4 New Targon Cards Revealed
I'm wondering about the 2 support cards. They don't state "this round" for the buffs. Is this inconsistent wording or does anyone think it's a permanent buff in stats? (All other support cards specify "this round", except Shen and stirred spirits - but barrier and ephemeral only last one round by definition anyway)
Edit: ok I realised the cards say "Grant" instead of "Give", thus the buffs are indeed permanent.
Blizzard Responds to the Hearthstone Battle Pass Survey - Current Reward Values to be Preserved, Play Hearthstone Your Way to Progress
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Blizzard Responds to the Hearthstone Battle Pass Survey - Current Reward Values to be Preserved, Play Hearthstone Your Way to Progress
Team 5 - I will make my judgement when we see what's actually implemented.
If I'm earning less gold per expansion cycle (8K on all 3 regions maybe) with the same time, I will consider your promise broken.
On the other hand, keep the promise but let people play in a way that is best for them, and I will applaud you.
Blizzard Responds to the Hearthstone Battle Pass Survey - Current Reward Values to be Preserved, Play Hearthstone Your Way to Progress
Thank God. When I read the article about this I was ready to say goodbye to Hearthstone. Been playing since launch and have every card made (half of them golden). I am a daily player, but not for hours every day. I truly enjoy Hearthstone but will not spend hours everyday playing it. I am very happy with what Lee said.
Mecha'thun's Secret Passage
Hemet would be doing the same job as Polkelt/Myra's but might be worth trying out as another way to thin the deck.
Mecha'thun's Secret Passage
What do you think about using Hemet in this deck?
Older Hearthstone Heroes Are Returning to the Shop, Much Like Old Card Backs
I say more power to them (and to everyone who missed out the first time). The preorders are about the packs, with a major bonus on top of that of course, but I didn't pay for exclusive rights to a skin. I got my money's worth out of Mecha Jaraxxus and the like; don't see why others can't experience the same thing.
I honestly feel like people have even less legs to stand on in this debate versus the one about the card backs, 'cause at least you could say "well I had to earn the card backs." You didn't earn anything for the skin; you just ponied up the money for it.
Blizzard Responds to the Hearthstone Battle Pass Survey - Current Reward Values to be Preserved, Play Hearthstone Your Way to Progress
This is a really good take! I was one that misread the battle pass stuff earlier, and I would hate for it to screw over F2P players. I would love a system that is affordable, fun, and rewarding. How I envision battle passes work is like that, but the survey one we saw didn't seem like that. I too hope the devs can create a system that's best for everyone.
Older Hearthstone Heroes Are Returning to the Shop, Much Like Old Card Backs
If you’re willing to wait literal YEARS for the aesthetic reward to come back around, I’m pretty sure that you’re a devoted enough player that you’re not going to be content with just F2P packs. They’ll get your money one way or the other.
New Targon Card - Arbiter of the Peak
I was thinking that comparison too, but I was thinking even with the overwhelm this--like Plaza Guardian--is more-so meme material than competitive.
Specifically, I envisioned a Targon + P&Z deck featuring:
...with an goal of creating a bunch of cheap Arbiters, then attacking en-masse.
Older Hearthstone Heroes Are Returning to the Shop, Much Like Old Card Backs
No more exclusivity? Well, no more money from me Blizzard. I ain’t pre-ordering sh*t from now on since I can just wait for few years and get it for the actual price.
Older Hearthstone Heroes Are Returning to the Shop, Much Like Old Card Backs
this is nice, now I can add guys like Hazelbark, Sylvannas and Khadgar to my collection.
But man I was kinda hoping for any news on a new hero for Rogue. They did a little tongue in cheek tease for the Tauren druid hero but Rogue's the only class out of the original 9 with less than 2 hero portraits.
Older Hearthstone Heroes Are Returning to the Shop, Much Like Old Card Backs
You have been downvoted by salty and entitled F2P players.
SpellShield is a New Keyword Coming in Call of the Mountain - 4 New Targon Cards Revealed
If you're up against a Freljord deck that doesn't run any Fast spells, what else are you going to use it on?
You're going to include Bastion (or Deny) to protect your units from magic. You can't know ahead of time what specific spells those will be. Against Freljord, Deny is very often a dead card. Bastion isn't.
Also note that as a Burst-speed spell, Bastion cannot be countered by Deny.
New Targon Card - Mountain Sojourners
This is going to be a total feast-or-famine card. 5 mana for 2/5 worth of stats is bad--massive tempo loss compared to other popular 5-drop like Avarosan Hearthguard, Thresh, Garen, Radiant Guardian, etc. But 5 mana for 6/9 worth of stats over 3 bodies is insane. So I think she's going to thrive on decks that can keep units on board (think today's bannerman decks), but in general the payoff isn't going to be enough for most decks.
Hearthstone is Getting a New Type of Vanity Card
I think it is a bad idea honestly, for 1 card to look differently in 3 places. It can be confusing as hell.
However... Introducing just nice alternate arts is great for the game. It gives existing players, or players who care about it, a goal to play towards.
I generally don't care that much about arts in HS... but I can see alternate cards being quite popular, and I think they should have introduced it a damn long time ago. It's a great way to monetize the game.
SpellShield is a New Keyword Coming in Call of the Mountain - 4 New Targon Cards Revealed
When a card says "Do X to do Y," the X part must be possible before the Y part can happen, and the X part happens regardless of whether the Y part actually goes off.
With Noxian Fervor, it's clear that the 3 damage to an ally will always happen, even if the enemy target gains SpellShield.
With Vile Feast, it appears to be sufficient that you target an enemy unit for the Drain, and does not matter whether the Drain actually occurs (see Barrier), so that means the spiderling would indeed be summoned.
SpellShield is a New Keyword Coming in Call of the Mountain - 4 New Targon Cards Revealed
That is correct.
But imo realistically speaking it won't be used as anti frostbite tool, there are much better situations to use it.
Blizzard Responds to the Hearthstone Battle Pass Survey - Current Reward Values to be Preserved, Play Hearthstone Your Way to Progress
One thing I think everyone can agree on is it will DEFINITELY be nice to be able to just play BG or Arena or Tavern Brawl and not miss out on the daily quest rewards because we don't want to play standard or wild.
SpellShield is a New Keyword Coming in Call of the Mountain - 4 New Targon Cards Revealed
To answer my own question: Yip confirmed via Twitter that SpellShield does NOT cancel the whole spell, only the part that affects the protected unit.
SpellShield is a New Keyword Coming in Call of the Mountain - 4 New Targon Cards Revealed
Protect a unit from Frostbite, which is something that exists nowhere else in the game.
Be used in a deck without Ionia.
Get drawn by Zap Sprayfin.
Hearthstone is Evaluating the Basic & Classic Sets for a Revamp, Much Like Priest Received with Ashes of Outland
That's 200 IQ response right there :O
Thanks for putting out the idea, I will consider this as well now, writing it down to not forget about it :)
Blizzard Responds to the Hearthstone Battle Pass Survey - Current Reward Values to be Preserved, Play Hearthstone Your Way to Progress
No puedo estar más de acuerdo contigo.
Repasemos.
Nos llevaron de la alternancia Expansión/Aventura a 3 Expansiones por año
Nos dijeron que no se publicarían aventuras y nos han hecho pagar por distintas aventuras después de LoE
Implementaron las dobles legendarias de clase
Todas las 'ayudas', legendarias, y ahora épicas, no repetidas, son un impulso genial para el coleccionismo, pero carece de valor para el f2p que abre entre 60 y 80 sobres por expansión.
Modificaron las recompensas (misiones) al inicio de este año sin decir nada en el parche. Nauseabundo. Un mínimo de 5 sobres menos por cuatrimestre.
Han creado cartas dobles que encarecen el juego sin que por el momento escuche las críticas que debería por parte de streamers, webs de seguimiento, incluso de HS mathematics.
Lanzan el globo sonda de un Battlepass nefasto, y ahora intentan, como bien comentas, calmar aguas para seguir su camino, el de la extorsión.
Están llevando cosméticos de temporada a la tienda, todo orientado a la recaudación, sin ceder nada a la dedicación al juego, sin recompensar adecuadamente el tiempo que algunos jugadores le dedican a este juego, a su visibilidad, deteriorada, pero que todavía lo estaría más de no contar con el apoyo de todos ellos.
No sé lo que sucederá pero si sé lo que me gustaría ocurriese. Me gustaría que desde Reddit se boicoteara el juego si las acciones que lleven a cabo no son éticas, si dejan de ser un juego f2p para pasar a ser un extorsionador de tiempo o un p2w; dejar de jugar, a ver quién necesita a quién.
Lo sé, lo sé, utópico y poco posibilista aunque desde hace mucho que no cuentan con mi tiempo, lo indispensable, ni un segundo más.
New Targon Spell - Bastion
By the way -- Yip confirmed via Twitter that SpellShield stops only the effect on the unit it protects. It does not cancel the entire spell the way Fizz does.
Older Hearthstone Heroes Are Returning to the Shop, Much Like Old Card Backs
I see that you kinda misunderstood me.
First of all - I'm opposed to (and I hate) any paid advantage in games except for skins. In ideal world you would be able to EARN everything just by playing (which is why I'm not playing Hearthstone anymore, i switched to Legends of Runeterra).
I'm also aware of what Blizzard is doing with their games - having both item shop (with mounts, pets, max lvl, and more) AND paid membership is ludicrous. And for them Hearthstone players are nothing more than dairy cow (see cost of lootboxes aka card packs).
I only stated that what they are about to do is taking away exclusive aspect of hero arts - they advertised them as such.
They used to be rare because you couldn't but them anymore. Now they loose their rare value.