Great intro to all the heros in the BG mode thus far, I am really enjoying the BG mode. I am quite addicted to the BG mode at this time and my favorite hero is Lord Jaraxxus (I love building huge demon boards) and George the Fallen (I love putting divine shields on everything). I look forward to seeing how the BG mode evolves going forward!
the thing is, I was trying to say that you don't need to farm arena to what you need for this game. The game doesn't force you to play expeditions -unlike Arena of Hearthstone- if you want to complete your collection as a f2p player.
Also, You are saying "Region rewards are not endless. They are just a system to get new players invested. We should judge the Runeterra draft economy on rewards that are draft rewards and weekly vault rewards, not region experience points for finite unlocks." but forgetting that those experience rewards also upgrade your Weekly Vaults. Ok, Region rewards will end in time but Weekly Vaults will refresh every week and every week you will need experiences to upgrade them.
The fact that "don't confuse Runeterra's economy with Hearthstone's economy." was there because of that.
I can understand that you want to play expeditions all the time tho. That's a different topic that you are a draft fan or not but truth is any player who plays runeterra doesn't need to farm expeditions because of the sake of f2p. That was what I meant.
So, Expeditions are not one of the most rewarding part of the game for f2p players, it is different from any other card game. Game's rewarding system is different. Expeditions are just a draft mode of this game which is fun to play while pushing your collection upwards with some rewards if you play them. It is more like Brawl mode of Hearthstone with more rewards than it. It even offers more experience than normal games so it will help your time to push your Weekly Vaults in less time. The only good thing about expeditions might even be that fact because Weekly Vaults are the most important thing to save stuff for upcoming expansions.
People won't spare as Draft players and Constructed players in this game. You can easily say that Riot didn't want to spare players as mode players when you see the economy model of the game. Arena is important for Hearthstone because so much f2p player farming it to "reach" p2p players and that's the worst thing for a game in my opinion. It causes players only farm. They can't even play constructed in time because they need cards to be able to win p2p players. Expeditions are not like Arena.
I liked the economy model of the Runeterra. That helps us to play more constructed than Arena. That's the thing. You can say that "someone plays draft modes because they like it", i can understand that. I also like to play draft mode but most people are playing drafts because they need cards in hearthstone and you know that. They are playing arena to collect cards to be able to play constructed, but they lose time to get experience in constructed and lose time to climb ranks. The new system Runeterra offers is a win-win in my honest opinion.
Oh and also, I am not saying that they are generous. It is a strategic move to shape your player base as ALL-mode players. They seem like they don't want to spare player base as i said before. They are just saying like; "hey, look here, You don't need to farm draft in this game to be able to play constructed. We will already make you able to play constructed. Draft is just for fun and some little rewards. There are also other stuff to extend your collection. Come play this game's all modes uncaringly which mode will give you more rewards. " That's what I'm reading from runeterra's economy model.
I have edit the post to add something. I hope you read after I edit.
Guide largely agrees with my findings so far. Only parts I might disagree with:
- I don't agree with Deryl being top tier. He's strong, but slots in just below the top in my opinion. Patchwerk, on the other hand, IS top tier because your goal is to top 4, not to win necessarily - and Patchy-boi basically always does.
- Absolutely don't agree with Yogg being that high either. He's fun, but he's really not powerful - he falls off by the time midgame rolls around.
- Elise is trash tier in my eyes. You can guarantee a specific tavern tier, sure, but it's still 3 gold for a minion that you only -might- want, with no other benefit for the rest of the game. By contrast, Bartendotron should be a little higher due to his smooth curve (enabling him to upgrade without being significantly punished for doing so, which is his real power).
I'd pretty much agree with everything else. Only other thing I'd consider arguing about is whether cleave is the most powerful effect in the game - it's relatively straightforward to position against, after all. Poisonous, meanwhile, is obnoxiously strong.
Great guide. My personal battlegrounds tier list is - Deryl = Yogg > Curator > everyone else, in terms of both fun and power. Although, Brann with Brann can get pretty dirty.
I do quite like these random brawls where I don't have to build a deck given my meagre F2P collection; and the random aspect can spice things up a little bit. However, the absurd randomness of this brawl makes it a lot less fun.
Maybe you're right about their generousity, but I don't think we should include region rewards when calculating if it's possible to go inifinite with Runeterra drafts. Players will max out on all region rewards soon.
Region rewards are not endless. They are just a system to get new players invested. We should judge the Runeterra draft economy on rewards that are draft rewards and weekly vault rewards, not region experience points for finite unlocks.
And although I got plenty of 7 wins in this soft beta meta. I'm not fooling myself that i'll be getting the same results in a years time, when a much higher percentage of the best draft players remain. It's a closed system for every draft player that wins 1 game there has to be a player that loses 1 game. That opponent in the sudden death final round will always be as good as you. Our average will be about 5.5 wins per run, and the rewards REALLY drop off below 7 wins. (5 win reward is: One Champion card, 1 gold chest, 800 shards; after completing the 2 trials of 1 expedition.)
Remember after 3 weekly Expeditions the following free Expeditions don't give rewards. You can't grind runeterra drafts for profit, and i maxed the weekly vault after 3 days play. Runeterra rewards are generous but heavily capped.
I still think we'll be struggling for the 48,000 shards a month that we need to play draft as soon as the finite region rewards are maxed out.
Meh kinda brawl, but the pack this weak was great, regular nozdormu and golden whitemane, finally completing my classic legendary collection (until the next HoF rotation, I guess).
I think they used battlegrounds access instead of card reveal dump this time.
I didn't check the reveals so maybe the first reveal might be a reveal stream tho because there are 24 hours between first 2 reveals on the countdown on the mainscreen.
Edit: Checked it out, it says that the first 3 reveals will be made by blizzard, so who knows maybe they are part of the reveal stream.
I'm asking myself the same question, it's strange that they didn't announce anything about the reveal stream (it's only 8 hours from now), but also would be so strange not to have it. So... I don't know, waiting for some news! I hope there will be, I love seeing a lot of cards and having back a bit of hype for the expansion
ohh thanks bro!! I actually remember opening that article but for some reason i missed the vote part XD!!! My bad! I have to pay more attention next time!! It was weird, because there is always info about absolutly everything related to hearthsone here in out of cards so it had to be anounced somewhere XD Anyway... did your team won?
I think it was announced along with the pre-pre-release of the Beta mode, but lots of news were flowing in at the same time, it was easy to miss. I do remember a post on the main page announcing the teams and the opportunity to vote. Sorry you missed it.
Somebody knows when was this battleground brawl announced? I never heard or read about it so i couldn t vote in time... : ( Now the votation is already closed... that was a missed opportunity to get some packs from the new exp...
You need to add experience rewards + chests to the rewards section imo. Because The economy of Runeterra is different than any other game. Even daily quests are giving you experiences, Weekly Vaults needs experiences to be upgraded, Regional rewards need experiences etc. Experience is almost the most important part of the economy for collecting.
So much people seemed confused the economy of the Runeterra with the economy of the Hearthstone. Everyone thinks that rewards are so less compared to Hearthstone or Magic or some other game but it isn't truly. Everyone forgets Weekly Vaults and Regional rewards which Expeditions upgrades them greatly if you can get wins from it.
Shards + Card reward of Expeditions are extras in my opinion, the real reward is Experience like how Daily quests gives. You can farm your expeditions through your Weekly Vault + Regional rewards and they also synergizes with each other.
Did you see Weekly Vaults ? Have you ever opened a Diamond Chest ? Have you ever got 7 wins from a Trial ?
Yes it is possible to get 12000 shards per week, even more if you don't spend your shards from regional rewards to cards. Also I don't think you will need those shards to craft cards. There are wildcards and You can get them back from 7 wins from trials.
You don't need to pay real money to consistently to enter. Sorry but your comment is totally wrong.
I got 1500 experience after 7 wins in first and 1 wins at second trial. I got 1 champion card + Diamond Chest + 3500 shards +1500 experience after first trial + 100 experience after second trial and also I got 1750 experience from my 7 wins and 25 experience from a lose at first trial + 250 experience from my second trial's win + 50 experience losing 2 games at second trial. That's total of 3675 experiences.
With that 3575 total experiences your regional reward gets at least 2 jumps which gives you also shards + cards.
Don't confuse economy of Runeterra with Hearthstone.
I have told it about here, if you can read, you can understand more.
for the other things that you have 4+ copies of cards and etc., That's what I also worry but game is so new, so less cards it has for now and I think riot proved that they will support the game with quick patches imo. With new expansions and more cards, The mode could be quite good. I mean, Runeterra doesn't even have enough cards to make a standard mode yet.
Do anyone remember how was the first Arena of Hearthstone ? So, don't compare games which has complete standard sets and didn't even released.
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
Great intro to all the heros in the BG mode thus far, I am really enjoying the BG mode. I am quite addicted to the BG mode at this time and my favorite hero is Lord Jaraxxus (I love building huge demon boards) and George the Fallen (I love putting divine shields on everything). I look forward to seeing how the BG mode evolves going forward!
Grimm Face Hunter
Genn is a solid craft for Wild, if anything for Shaman.
Let's see about this one.
Quest Trading - Play A Friend!
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Legends of Runeterra - Expeditions Review
the thing is, I was trying to say that you don't need to farm arena to what you need for this game. The game doesn't force you to play expeditions -unlike Arena of Hearthstone- if you want to complete your collection as a f2p player.
Also, You are saying "Region rewards are not endless. They are just a system to get new players invested. We should judge the Runeterra draft economy on rewards that are draft rewards and weekly vault rewards, not region experience points for finite unlocks." but forgetting that those experience rewards also upgrade your Weekly Vaults. Ok, Region rewards will end in time but Weekly Vaults will refresh every week and every week you will need experiences to upgrade them.
The fact that "don't confuse Runeterra's economy with Hearthstone's economy." was there because of that.
I can understand that you want to play expeditions all the time tho. That's a different topic that you are a draft fan or not but truth is any player who plays runeterra doesn't need to farm expeditions because of the sake of f2p. That was what I meant.
So, Expeditions are not one of the most rewarding part of the game for f2p players, it is different from any other card game. Game's rewarding system is different. Expeditions are just a draft mode of this game which is fun to play while pushing your collection upwards with some rewards if you play them. It is more like Brawl mode of Hearthstone with more rewards than it. It even offers more experience than normal games so it will help your time to push your Weekly Vaults in less time. The only good thing about expeditions might even be that fact because Weekly Vaults are the most important thing to save stuff for upcoming expansions.
People won't spare as Draft players and Constructed players in this game. You can easily say that Riot didn't want to spare players as mode players when you see the economy model of the game. Arena is important for Hearthstone because so much f2p player farming it to "reach" p2p players and that's the worst thing for a game in my opinion. It causes players only farm. They can't even play constructed in time because they need cards to be able to win p2p players. Expeditions are not like Arena.
I liked the economy model of the Runeterra. That helps us to play more constructed than Arena. That's the thing. You can say that "someone plays draft modes because they like it", i can understand that. I also like to play draft mode but most people are playing drafts because they need cards in hearthstone and you know that. They are playing arena to collect cards to be able to play constructed, but they lose time to get experience in constructed and lose time to climb ranks. The new system Runeterra offers is a win-win in my honest opinion.
Oh and also, I am not saying that they are generous. It is a strategic move to shape your player base as ALL-mode players. They seem like they don't want to spare player base as i said before. They are just saying like; "hey, look here, You don't need to farm draft in this game to be able to play constructed. We will already make you able to play constructed. Draft is just for fun and some little rewards. There are also other stuff to extend your collection. Come play this game's all modes uncaringly which mode will give you more rewards. " That's what I'm reading from runeterra's economy model.
I have edit the post to add something. I hope you read after I edit.
Battlegrounds new heroes!
I'd say Brann is A, Sindra and Elise are B. For S tier my personal candidates are Deryl, Yogg and Curator.
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
Guide largely agrees with my findings so far. Only parts I might disagree with:
- I don't agree with Deryl being top tier. He's strong, but slots in just below the top in my opinion. Patchwerk, on the other hand, IS top tier because your goal is to top 4, not to win necessarily - and Patchy-boi basically always does.
- Absolutely don't agree with Yogg being that high either. He's fun, but he's really not powerful - he falls off by the time midgame rolls around.
- Elise is trash tier in my eyes. You can guarantee a specific tavern tier, sure, but it's still 3 gold for a minion that you only -might- want, with no other benefit for the rest of the game. By contrast, Bartendotron should be a little higher due to his smooth curve (enabling him to upgrade without being significantly punished for doing so, which is his real power).
I'd pretty much agree with everything else. Only other thing I'd consider arguing about is whether cleave is the most powerful effect in the game - it's relatively straightforward to position against, after all. Poisonous, meanwhile, is obnoxiously strong.
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
Great guide. My personal battlegrounds tier list is - Deryl = Yogg > Curator > everyone else, in terms of both fun and power. Although, Brann with Brann can get pretty dirty.
This Week's Brawl is Shake, Deathrattle and Roll!
I do quite like these random brawls where I don't have to build a deck given my meagre F2P collection; and the random aspect can spice things up a little bit. However, the absurd randomness of this brawl makes it a lot less fun.
Diablo 3 Season 19
And got my first primal. Not one I can really use in my main build though. But will be fun to use in alts.
Legends of Runeterra - Expeditions Review
Maybe you're right about their generousity, but I don't think we should include region rewards when calculating if it's possible to go inifinite with Runeterra drafts. Players will max out on all region rewards soon.
Region rewards are not endless. They are just a system to get new players invested. We should judge the Runeterra draft economy on rewards that are draft rewards and weekly vault rewards, not region experience points for finite unlocks.
And although I got plenty of 7 wins in this soft beta meta. I'm not fooling myself that i'll be getting the same results in a years time, when a much higher percentage of the best draft players remain. It's a closed system for every draft player that wins 1 game there has to be a player that loses 1 game. That opponent in the sudden death final round will always be as good as you. Our average will be about 5.5 wins per run, and the rewards REALLY drop off below 7 wins. (5 win reward is: One Champion card, 1 gold chest, 800 shards; after completing the 2 trials of 1 expedition.)
Remember after 3 weekly Expeditions the following free Expeditions don't give rewards. You can't grind runeterra drafts for profit, and i maxed the weekly vault after 3 days play. Runeterra rewards are generous but heavily capped.
I still think we'll be struggling for the 48,000 shards a month that we need to play draft as soon as the finite region rewards are maxed out.
This Week's Brawl is Shake, Deathrattle and Roll!
Meh kinda brawl, but the pack this weak was great, regular nozdormu and golden whitemane, finally completing my classic legendary collection (until the next HoF rotation, I guess).
Grimm Face Hunter
I'm excited for you! I'm really hoping I unpack dragonbane. I think if that happens I'm finally going to craft Genn!
I've started playing wild with burgle Rogue and it's actually been fun so far so I really wish I could play this deck :)
no card reveal stream for DoD?
I think they used battlegrounds access instead of card reveal dump this time.
I didn't check the reveals so maybe the first reveal might be a reveal stream tho because there are 24 hours between first 2 reveals on the countdown on the mainscreen.
Edit: Checked it out, it says that the first 3 reveals will be made by blizzard, so who knows maybe they are part of the reveal stream.
Battlegrounds new heroes!
"M"atch"M"aking "R"ating
no card reveal stream for DoD?
I'm asking myself the same question, it's strange that they didn't announce anything about the reveal stream (it's only 8 hours from now), but also would be so strange not to have it. So... I don't know, waiting for some news! I hope there will be, I love seeing a lot of cards and having back a bit of hype for the expansion
no card reveal stream for DoD?
I highly doubt that. Those streams are generally big success and probably boost prepurchase once more.
Edit: are we talking about the final reveals or a stream this evening
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
ohh thanks bro!! I actually remember opening that article but for some reason i missed the vote part XD!!! My bad! I have to pay more attention next time!! It was weird, because there is always info about absolutly everything related to hearthsone here in out of cards so it had to be anounced somewhere XD Anyway... did your team won?
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
Here it is/was - 2 weeks and a day ago
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
I think it was announced along with the pre-pre-release of the Beta mode, but lots of news were flowing in at the same time, it was easy to miss. I do remember a post on the main page announcing the teams and the opportunity to vote. Sorry you missed it.
no card reveal stream for DoD?
Not sure, could just be that they haven't announced a reveal stream date/time yet.
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
Somebody knows when was this battleground brawl announced? I never heard or read about it so i couldn t vote in time... : ( Now the votation is already closed... that was a missed opportunity to get some packs from the new exp...
Legends of Runeterra - Expeditions Review
@neonangel
You need to add experience rewards + chests to the rewards section imo. Because The economy of Runeterra is different than any other game. Even daily quests are giving you experiences, Weekly Vaults needs experiences to be upgraded, Regional rewards need experiences etc. Experience is almost the most important part of the economy for collecting.
So much people seemed confused the economy of the Runeterra with the economy of the Hearthstone. Everyone thinks that rewards are so less compared to Hearthstone or Magic or some other game but it isn't truly. Everyone forgets Weekly Vaults and Regional rewards which Expeditions upgrades them greatly if you can get wins from it.
Shards + Card reward of Expeditions are extras in my opinion, the real reward is Experience like how Daily quests gives. You can farm your expeditions through your Weekly Vault + Regional rewards and they also synergizes with each other.
Legends of Runeterra - Expeditions Review
It is not possible ? I don't think so.
Did you see Weekly Vaults ? Have you ever opened a Diamond Chest ? Have you ever got 7 wins from a Trial ?
Yes it is possible to get 12000 shards per week, even more if you don't spend your shards from regional rewards to cards. Also I don't think you will need those shards to craft cards. There are wildcards and You can get them back from 7 wins from trials.
You don't need to pay real money to consistently to enter. Sorry but your comment is totally wrong.
I got 1500 experience after 7 wins in first and 1 wins at second trial. I got 1 champion card + Diamond Chest + 3500 shards +1500 experience after first trial + 100 experience after second trial and also I got 1750 experience from my 7 wins and 25 experience from a lose at first trial + 250 experience from my second trial's win + 50 experience losing 2 games at second trial. That's total of 3675 experiences.
With that 3575 total experiences your regional reward gets at least 2 jumps which gives you also shards + cards.
Don't confuse economy of Runeterra with Hearthstone.
I have told it about here, if you can read, you can understand more.
https://outof.cards/forums/legends-of-runeterra/runeterra-general/2007-expedition-reward-structure-discussion-fairly-low-risk-but-also-low-reward?page=1#comment-40879
for the other things that you have 4+ copies of cards and etc., That's what I also worry but game is so new, so less cards it has for now and I think riot proved that they will support the game with quick patches imo. With new expansions and more cards, The mode could be quite good. I mean, Runeterra doesn't even have enough cards to make a standard mode yet.
Do anyone remember how was the first Arena of Hearthstone ? So, don't compare games which has complete standard sets and didn't even released.
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
Af Kay is still powerful tho.
Hearthstone Battlegrounds Hero Guide
I agree with Dancin' Daryl. Everytime it occurs I'm choosing it. It's one of the best heroes in my opinion. Funny and powerful.
My second favorite was Bartendotron but Sindragosa passed it for now.