So, we're a few days into the expansion. Of course a lot of decks are still being refined heavily but looking at hsreplay just now surprised me. The meta archetypes tab in particular: https://hsreplay.net/meta/#tab=archetypes
The only quest deck with a positive winrate is the paladin one. Obviously half of the quests were quite obviously going to be meme tier at best. But quest druid and shaman not being able to hit an average winrate of 50% or higher baffles me.
My assumption why only Uther's quest seems competitive would be because quest paladin destroys the 'strongest' deck right now, control warrior. With a whopping 76.8% winrate no less. Whereas all the other decks stand no chance against good ol' Garrosh. Even quest shaman with its near infinite value seems to be no match.
What are your thoughts on why this is the case? Do you think druid, shaman or any other quest deck can still climb to a positive winrate?
Archivist Elysianna if you've got it would improve the matchup against warrior. Or any big minion for the most part should be fine. He's not vital to the deck succeeding in most matchups.
Maybe Corrupt the Waters, because condition is a non-condition, and reward is basically universal for any deck. And powerful.
All the other cards you mentioned have important or even major vulnerabilities that rule them out of 'safety', even if they may turn out to be very good, as i think it is the case for Activate the Obelisk.
Zephrys the Great is granted fun, that's for sure. Yet again, Highlander is not 'safe' right now.
Highlander is not safe? Literally the best archetype in wild atm and zephrys is a great addition! Why are you lying?
First, this is obviously a thread about Standard.
Second, do you have any proof for accusing me of being a liar?
Sure, Zephrys is a great addition, but before SoU, Renodecks were around t3. I doubt one card can make them jump on top tier.
Proof, or there's only one liar here, and that's not me.
I should look at the original warcraft games as some of the major characters I believe are present in both Warcraft and modern WoW. Can't wait for Reforged to have the updated experience.
Hearthstone is heavily based around the lore of the WoW universe, does this incentivise you to try it or had you already played it before starting Hearthstone?
For me personally, Hearthstone introduced the Warcraft universe in an interesting way leading to me playing the game on a regular basis.
You have to play Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos and it's expansion Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne if you haven't done it yet (or wait for Warcraft 3: Reforged). The story/campaign is epic and the gameplay is pretty good. It's also the game that made me love elves in most fantasy settings, although I still hate almost all of the Tolkien (Arwen is one of the few exceptions) and Warhammer Fantasy "pointy ears" with passion. :P :P :P
This deck seems too much leaning on a control strategy begging the question: Why not just run Dr. Boom? Unless quest warrior is built much more aggressively, I can't see it being able to outmaneuver any other warrior deck or even something like conjurer mage or quest shaman.
Played WoW for over 10 years with no breaks in between (outside of the occasional computer dying & needing to be replaced). I was a major mount/title/ach/transmog collector with close to or a little over 300 mounts by the time I quit in early WoD (with almost all tcg mounts, rbg, mounts, many 1% raid and dungeon drop mounts, etc).
I've been playing WoW since 2009, but recently just off and on. I think the fact that Hearthstone was based on Warcraft is what really got me interested in it. I got into the Hearthstone beta and I've been playing ever since!
It depends on whether you care about ladder progress or not. I personally don't care (stuck at rank 15) and for me, Zephrys the Great has been an absolute blast.
Combining him with cards like Youthful Brewmaster, Barista Lynchen or Elise the Enlightened allows you to have multiple "perfect top-decks", which is just so much fun to play and difficult to play against: will I get a heal, a board clear, a single target removal, Tirion Fordring, or something completely unexpected? You never know and it's always fun to be able to react well to the situation on the board.
It's definitely been fun for me to play my own Highlander Mage and Druid, so I can definitely suggest Zephrys and some Highlander action, but no idea whether these'll be good if you want to climb ladder.
I play WoW, I played it and I will probably play it in the future. Ever since I was a kid, I felt in love with RPGs and the aforementioned MMO allows me to explore certain classes and dive into the fantasy of the game. My favourite class has always been druid (which isn't the case in hs). I just love transforming into different creatures and taking differerent roles - the one of a dps (melee and range) and a tank.
Right now I play in a private Wotlk server, because I had fun playing this expansion before and I haven't killed the Lich King yet.
I played Warcraft 3 and Dota for a long time, but never got to World of Warcraft itself. Mostly because i played another huge MMO at the time, Lineage 2, for several years and i knew what kind of time sink it would be for me to start WOW, so surprisingly enough, i was strong enough to resist :)
Tho i am very sad that i have limited knowledge about Warcraft lore today, it would let me appreciate the connections in Hearthstone more or give me an edge when creating content for the game. I mean i look things up, but sometimes i just dont know what im missing, since i never got to play WOW and might not even know i should be looking for it in a first place :/
Thats why i love reading articles about lore and see ppl talk about certain events and such, i can learn a lot from that and make connection between characters i didnt know existed.
I've played WoW for 10 years, from its release until the end of the Cataclysm expansion. But then life has taken so much of my time that I cannot play a mmorpg at the level I want, so I prefered to freeze and move into something else instead of keep up as a casual.
But I've been interested in Warcraft's lore since WC1, so I've always been interested in every quest, every event and the like. Actually I keep updated on what's going on even if I don't play anymore.
Quest deck winrates
So, we're a few days into the expansion. Of course a lot of decks are still being refined heavily but looking at hsreplay just now surprised me. The meta archetypes tab in particular: https://hsreplay.net/meta/#tab=archetypes
The only quest deck with a positive winrate is the paladin one. Obviously half of the quests were quite obviously going to be meme tier at best. But quest druid and shaman not being able to hit an average winrate of 50% or higher baffles me.
My assumption why only Uther's quest seems competitive would be because quest paladin destroys the 'strongest' deck right now, control warrior. With a whopping 76.8% winrate no less. Whereas all the other decks stand no chance against good ol' Garrosh. Even quest shaman with its near infinite value seems to be no match.
What are your thoughts on why this is the case? Do you think druid, shaman or any other quest deck can still climb to a positive winrate?
Do Nothing Priest
Archivist Elysianna if you've got it would improve the matchup against warrior. Or any big minion for the most part should be fine. He's not vital to the deck succeeding in most matchups.
Highlander Face Hunter is Rediculous
Exactly my thoughts. Running Sandbinder to get only a single card makes no sense. Neither does running Vereesa Windrunner in this deck.
Safe crafts?
First, this is obviously a thread about Standard.
Second, do you have any proof for accusing me of being a liar?
Sure, Zephrys is a great addition, but before SoU, Renodecks were around t3. I doubt one card can make them jump on top tier.
Proof, or there's only one liar here, and that's not me.
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I know this is going to trigger even some Horde fans, but still...
:D :D :D
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I should look at the original warcraft games as some of the major characters I believe are present in both Warcraft and modern WoW. Can't wait for Reforged to have the updated experience.
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I'm on HS BECAUSE i come from WoW (and WC3 before it). 😎
Highlander Face Hunter is Rediculous
Why Vereesa Windrunner? I don't think you have enough spells to justify her. Probably would be better off with Siamat for a 2nd target for Sandbinder
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
You have to play Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos and it's expansion Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne if you haven't done it yet (or wait for Warcraft 3: Reforged). The story/campaign is epic and the gameplay is pretty good. It's also the game that made me love elves in most fantasy settings, although I still hate almost all of the Tolkien (Arwen is one of the few exceptions) and Warhammer Fantasy "pointy ears" with passion. :P :P :P
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
Played WoW, don't have time for it anymore and don't like the direction the game has gone. Will be Horde for life though. FOR TEH HORDE!
Hack the System
This deck seems too much leaning on a control strategy begging the question: Why not just run Dr. Boom? Unless quest warrior is built much more aggressively, I can't see it being able to outmaneuver any other warrior deck or even something like conjurer mage or quest shaman.
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
Played WoW for over 10 years with no breaks in between (outside of the occasional computer dying & needing to be replaced). I was a major mount/title/ach/transmog collector with close to or a little over 300 mounts by the time I quit in early WoD (with almost all tcg mounts, rbg, mounts, many 1% raid and dungeon drop mounts, etc).
Good times :)
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I've been playing WoW since 2009, but recently just off and on. I think the fact that Hearthstone was based on Warcraft is what really got me interested in it. I got into the Hearthstone beta and I've been playing ever since!
Untapped Potential
yay, got it in my first 10 packs together with zephrys! :D
Safe crafts?
It depends on whether you care about ladder progress or not. I personally don't care (stuck at rank 15) and for me, Zephrys the Great has been an absolute blast.
Combining him with cards like Youthful Brewmaster, Barista Lynchen or Elise the Enlightened allows you to have multiple "perfect top-decks", which is just so much fun to play and difficult to play against: will I get a heal, a board clear, a single target removal, Tirion Fordring, or something completely unexpected? You never know and it's always fun to be able to react well to the situation on the board.
It's definitely been fun for me to play my own Highlander Mage and Druid, so I can definitely suggest Zephrys and some Highlander action, but no idea whether these'll be good if you want to climb ladder.
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I play WoW, I played it and I will probably play it in the future. Ever since I was a kid, I felt in love with RPGs and the aforementioned MMO allows me to explore certain classes and dive into the fantasy of the game. My favourite class has always been druid (which isn't the case in hs). I just love transforming into different creatures and taking differerent roles - the one of a dps (melee and range) and a tank.
Right now I play in a private Wotlk server, because I had fun playing this expansion before and I haven't killed the Lich King yet.
The Greatest Dinomancers (aka. 5/5 Dreadsteed Warlock)
Awesome. Just awesome!
Cora Leaves Casting Hearthstone, Joins the Final Design Team
Super good for her of course but I will miss that pretty face lol
Safe crafts?
Wild safe and Standard safe are 2 very different things.
I am more tempted to play wild more than ever but am missing the first few sets that rotated because I Thanosed them lol
Quest Trading - Play A Friend!
Battletag: OneUp21900
Region: EU
Trade Only: Yes
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I played Warcraft 3 and Dota for a long time, but never got to World of Warcraft itself. Mostly because i played another huge MMO at the time, Lineage 2, for several years and i knew what kind of time sink it would be for me to start WOW, so surprisingly enough, i was strong enough to resist :)
Tho i am very sad that i have limited knowledge about Warcraft lore today, it would let me appreciate the connections in Hearthstone more or give me an edge when creating content for the game. I mean i look things up, but sometimes i just dont know what im missing, since i never got to play WOW and might not even know i should be looking for it in a first place :/
Thats why i love reading articles about lore and see ppl talk about certain events and such, i can learn a lot from that and make connection between characters i didnt know existed.
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
Played WoW to get the Paladin hero.
Very bad experience - players standing, waiting to respawn for NPC, then one kills him, rest is standing and waiting for respawn....
I prefer singleplayer RPGs
Quest Trading - Play A Friend!
Battletag: ckmsimon#3868
Region: asia
Trade Only: Yes, you go first
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I've played WoW for 10 years, from its release until the end of the Cataclysm expansion. But then life has taken so much of my time that I cannot play a mmorpg at the level I want, so I prefered to freeze and move into something else instead of keep up as a casual.
But I've been interested in Warcraft's lore since WC1, so I've always been interested in every quest, every event and the like. Actually I keep updated on what's going on even if I don't play anymore.
As a Hearthstone player have you ever tried WoW?
I first played Wow when we got a new paladin hero for reaching level 20 in the game. Reached lvl 20 and never played it again.
Sadly not my cup of tea.
My only previous experience with the Wow universe was with the Original Warcraft RTS games