Yeah I'm having a personal challenge to reach rank 5 with one of these funky deathrattle hunter decks.
Egg hunter is a little better but still too slow at super aggro rank sub 5. Maybe recruit hunter is better at rank 5 or legend ?
This used to be such a powerhouse in standard. I crafted all the cards just to relive the experience but sadly it's not up to the wild power level/speed.
I was terrified to play against that deck and I don't remember ever winning a game against.
Maybe you should make a video so i can learn from it :P
The Malfurion DK really is not going to work with the Quest though, I mean he brings his own Hero Power replacing the passive and since the quest is slow in itself - imo not a situation like with Rexxar and Zul'jin where you would want to run both for a long game
Too soon for bury this card, but for now for standart - it's trash, choose one cards not too powerful and you must play like moron and not 100% use your mana 4 turns. And reward technicly - do nothing. In wild it's bad too, yes, it's very powerful with jades idols in late game, but jades already too strong without it, and you can use Fendral, who is 3-5, only bad thing - you must pay 4 mana. IDK, maybe Blizz gives us broken choose one cards and it will be a thing, but i think, it will be like in last time with quests - 7/9 are trash without support and really slow.
I'd just make it 2 mana 2/3, basic card for beginners to fool around with weak charge decks. And it will be an OK 2 drop for warrior in arena, they need as many of those as possible because they suffer the most from heropowering on 2
Priest one looks too boring to me. I like the quest but the reward doesn't seem fitting as it's already on so many cards. I think the priest quest will be "play 5 of your opponent's cards. Reward: (passive) cards that didn't start in your deck cost 3 less"
No, the current Chooseone cards do not justify the Quest: to be fair, the reward isn't much better than the basic Hero Power with the current card pool.
If you are Token, you want to close the game as fast as possible and Untapped Potential would slow you down by a lot. On the other hand, Control only exists in the form of HealDruid, which is more of a meme archetype right now, and you don't have enough reasons to want the new HP (consider that attacking with your face is a way to receive damage and thus being able to heal).
However, we should consider that Blizz will also support these new archetypes, so I'm sure we'll see at least two good Choose One cards, one of which will be auto include in every Control-ish deck, that will make the Untapped Potential worth experimenting.
Moreover, Biology Project may see some play now: don't mistaken me, it's still a bad card, but it can allow you to leave some unspent mana even in the first stages of the game (at the cost of a considerable drawback tho).
The levels of RnG in Dalaran Hiest are really starting to fuck me off now Just let me have a fucking deck than can beat Vargoth onwards for fucks sake.
Don't even know how many times I have tried at this point but it is certainly no longer very fun. Considering people have done every fight in every wing with every hero and deck and I can't even do this one with any single class, on normal. Seriously fuck this shit
1-9 brain-dead easy wins, 10-12 you don't get one single incy piece of good RnG or Heart of the cards or any of your treasures or anything, just get fucked over and over.
I get what you say and agree, it's like people from new Olympic games getting the same medal someone won on another Olympic. This things are meant unique for a special reason, and thats simply showing off something you have an no other do.
I'm proud of having the very first cardback and like to play against other people that also have it. It's a way of connecting to another old-time player...
I have been buying all new expantion preorders ( the 50 $ one or sometimes the 80 $ one ) since pretty much beta ( expect one or two expantion/adventure )
however, this time I won't be buying the new expantion preorder at all, I have been very bored with hearthstone lately, having nearly no intent to play the game more than daily quests and free arena run tickets, before I usually enjoyed to grind the ladder a bit, to legend even sometimes, but nowadays I nearly not even enjoy grinding past rank 5 anymore and after I get rank 5 I usually already play the meme decks I would play if i reached legend and pretty much don't care about the game anymore appart from the fun aspect...
Also the HS streamers/youtubers I used to like watching like kolento, thjis, kripp and trump I skip entirely nowadays and only still watch Dane and Kibler and that's pretty much it for HS content ! Other streamers/YTrs I used to watch like sajvz, dog, toast, sjow have already abandoned the game, and to be fair, nearly am I !
so this expantion will be a no for me, I will only be spending my gold on this one ! I'm enjoying playing other steam games way more and I already spend on the steam summer sale for 10+ games the money I would have payed for the HS expantion
I haven't been playing druid much but I'm tempted to try it this upcoming expansion (no I ain't playing the current token druid; simply not my style). My question is do you think the current Choose one cards are enough or would the coming expansion have to include a bunch of new options to make the card viable?
I love to win with my wild mill druid deck. It's not really competitive but my "surprise" finish (tokens + savage roar/branching paths) always put a smile on my face, especially after I milled half of my opponents deck. Neutralize and coldlight oracles are such great cards :-)
Added bonus is that it's not completely powerless vs agro (if you are able to put some minions on the board at least)
For the record, this is the art the actual Sir Finley card will be using.
Looks pretty kickass the me.
Oh. I didn't know that was the art. I see nothing wrong with this art at all. On the contrary, I quite like it. Finley even has his jawline and machete back. Thanks for sharing!
Before I continue, I would like apologize, if you don't find my arguments convincing or well-structured in this post or I miss some of your points. I don't have much time atm, because in one hour my mother and I would travel to Barcelona for one week and I won't be able to continue our little discussion. Don't be rush replying to me, you have plenty of time. :D
"If the power level isn't too terrible (Leeroy, Edwin, unleash the hounds), you could still enjoy the card in standard. Cards like Warsong Commander and Starving Buzzard are worse than river crocolisk and chillwind yeti. These are cards that aren't playable in wild OR standard and there's a whole load of other basic cards you'd put in a 30 card deck over these. "
I can't argue with that. And don't get me wrong, I always welcome card improvements such as direct buffs or redesigns, which would make underwhelming cards like WC to become playable again. But my issue is, that charge is a very sensitive topic in hearthstone. When I was a new player, I would have never imagined, that Stonetusk Boar would become a frustrating card. But in Un'goro and in K&C it was a core piece in Quest Rogue, in Boomsday it took part of a famous TopsyTurvy Priest deck (it was weak, but pro players would achieve some victories with it). It also enhanced Deathstalker Rexxar by giving the zombeasts charge. So it's not hard to imagine how an unnerfed WC would cause problems in wild.
"Unnerfed warsong, charge and other nerfed cards would not cause problems in the current card pool, so why not let us have our fun while nothing is conflicting? In addition, there a lot of nerfed cards that were nerfed simply because of power level, not design space issues."
I am not a warrior expert and I don't typically build combo decks, but imho just because we can't see the problematic deck right now, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't exist. I've linked all of the 3- or less Attack minions in my first post on this thread, so if someone has the mood to come up with a warrior combo deck, they are welcome to share their theorycraft. In this line of thoughts, I would like to give an example of one deck, that came out of the blue - Star Aligner Druid. When I saw that epic's reveal for the first time, I was very curious to see how people would play it. But I would have never imagined, that people would use it in a competitive deck, yet alone in wild. One very clever person saw the connections and they built it. You know the deck and how dominant it was in wild, so I won't talk about it any longer - imho the charge mechanic is more obvious to abuse.
" You can rat, hecklebot or deathlord out their commander (or berserker, or worgen), especially if it's in a more combo oriented list. You can unseen saboteur their charge. Warlocks can play their gnome or demonic project. Mages are running ice block and paladins could theoretically run time out."
I've expected you would say that. And I can't deny that hand/deck-disruption cards exist in wild, but I would like to state, that those aren't always reliable. If we see some lists, that run very few minions (most pre-standard Mecha'thun decks and AK75), you would easily pull a combo piece. But in the case with Mecha'thun warlock, where people ran many minions and can hold onto them, in order to minimize the chances of losing something important, the rat can whiff. Regarding Big Priest and other taunt decks - there is always a Brawl for those moments. I would play them right before I decide to go for the kill, but I agree with you, that Priest has way too many resurrect spells and the OTK warrior won't be able to deal with them at one point.
"How broken is this combo even? You compare it with hunter's rhino combo but that combo is completely fair. It's comprised fully of classic/basic cards but has seen little play until recently, making the class 4th or 5th best in the standard meta. Making a charging 15+ attack minion with warrior is possible, but requires a lot (relative to wild) of mana and combo pieces"
I didn't want to say, that this combo is broken. I wanted to say, that it would become popular the same way hunters use Tundra Rhino and Hyenas frequently. Also, I would like to disgree with you, that only now this combo is seeing a good amount of play. The truth is, almost everytime when (beast) mid-range hunter is popular, this 3-card combo is being run.
" As for standard midrange mech/bomb warrior, they only exist in standard. Their board fighting abilities isn't good enough to keep up with the wild midrange or faster decks. "
Why not? I have seen wild lists utilizing Coldlight Oracle to either make the opponent mill crucial cards or to draw bombs faster.
Regarding the rest of your post - I agree with it more or less.
[Note] - In my last post I forgot to say, that designing 100+ new cards, if the devs were to HoF the two sets, would be very hard to do. They have to spend a lot of time designing cards, that fit their philosophy regarding the 9 classes, their strenghts and weaknesses.
Alleria's Big Monsters
Yeah I'm having a personal challenge to reach rank 5 with one of these funky deathrattle hunter decks.
Egg hunter is a little better but still too slow at super aggro rank sub 5. Maybe recruit hunter is better at rank 5 or legend ?
This used to be such a powerhouse in standard. I crafted all the cards just to relive the experience but sadly it's not up to the wild power level/speed.
I was terrified to play against that deck and I don't remember ever winning a game against.
Maybe you should make a video so i can learn from it :P
A Weekend of Wild Decks
Thanks for the feature!
Whats your guess for the other QUESTS in SOU?
No clue, but I think the Paladin one is going to involve Murlocs and Hunter is going to be akin to Dinomancy (Brann's Dinosaur really stuck out to me)
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
The Malfurion DK really is not going to work with the Quest though, I mean he brings his own Hero Power replacing the passive and since the quest is slow in itself - imo not a situation like with Rexxar and Zul'jin where you would want to run both for a long game
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
The current cards doesn't make the new quest worth it, but probably more interesting ones are coming so it's too soon to judge.
please make a link to the FORUM in the home page
It's almost impossible to go the the Forum section - tks
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
btw ... how to start a new thread?
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
I would bet there will be powerf "chose one" cards coming
Shaman² | (Murlocalypse)
why the nimbus? shouldm't be better an additional murloc?
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
Too soon for bury this card, but for now for standart - it's trash, choose one cards not too powerful and you must play like moron and not 100% use your mana 4 turns. And reward technicly - do nothing. In wild it's bad too, yes, it's very powerful with jades idols in late game, but jades already too strong without it, and you can use Fendral, who is 3-5, only bad thing - you must pay 4 mana. IDK, maybe Blizz gives us broken choose one cards and it will be a thing, but i think, it will be like in last time with quests - 7/9 are trash without support and really slow.
A Case for an Unnerfing and Hall of Faming of Warsong Commander
I'd just make it 2 mana 2/3, basic card for beginners to fool around with weak charge decks. And it will be an OK 2 drop for warrior in arena, they need as many of those as possible because they suffer the most from heropowering on 2
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
Malfurion the Pestilent and the new Quest don’t really mesh well together, plus, there are almost no good Choose One cards.
Whats your guess for the other QUESTS in SOU?
I really would like the Hunter reward to be a hero power Lock and Load, but I recognize it would probably be a bad idea.
I really would like the Mage reward to be Unstable Portal hero power, but I recognize it would probably be a bad idea
I really would like the Rogue reward to be a Hallucination hero power, but I recognize it would probably be a bad idea
I really would like that no quest was related to murlocs, and that is probably not a bad idea, but Blizzard might do it regardless
I really would like that the warrior quest wasn't related to rush, but I recognize it would probably be a good idea.
Rexxar's Emerald Dream
True that. I mentioned it within guide as well.
Whats your guess for the other QUESTS in SOU?
Priest one looks too boring to me. I like the quest but the reward doesn't seem fitting as it's already on so many cards. I think the priest quest will be "play 5 of your opponent's cards. Reward: (passive) cards that didn't start in your deck cost 3 less"
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
No, the current Choose one cards do not justify the Quest: to be fair, the reward isn't much better than the basic Hero Power with the current card pool.
If you are Token, you want to close the game as fast as possible and Untapped Potential would slow you down by a lot. On the other hand, Control only exists in the form of HealDruid, which is more of a meme archetype right now, and you don't have enough reasons to want the new HP (consider that attacking with your face is a way to receive damage and thus being able to heal).
However, we should consider that Blizz will also support these new archetypes, so I'm sure we'll see at least two good Choose One cards, one of which will be auto include in every Control-ish deck, that will make the Untapped Potential worth experimenting.
Moreover, Biology Project may see some play now: don't mistaken me, it's still a bad card, but it can allow you to leave some unspent mana even in the first stages of the game (at the cost of a considerable drawback tho).
We'll see.
Group Therapy! Need to blow off some steam? Mega salty? Here's the place!
The levels of RnG in Dalaran Hiest are really starting to fuck me off now Just let me have a fucking deck than can beat Vargoth onwards for fucks sake.
Don't even know how many times I have tried at this point but it is certainly no longer very fun. Considering people have done every fight in every wing with every hero and deck and I can't even do this one with any single class, on normal. Seriously fuck this shit
1-9 brain-dead easy wins, 10-12 you don't get one single incy piece of good RnG or Heart of the cards or any of your treasures or anything, just get fucked over and over.
So balanced and progressive in difficulty.......
Fuck you Blizz. Fuck you.
Questilion for ipad pro users
Questilion sounds like a new Hewlett-Packard computer
Dalaran Crashes Into Blackrock Mountain - Blackrock Crash Brawl Rewards Old Seasonal Card Back
I get what you say and agree, it's like people from new Olympic games getting the same medal someone won on another Olympic. This things are meant unique for a special reason, and thats simply showing off something you have an no other do.
I'm proud of having the very first cardback and like to play against other people that also have it. It's a way of connecting to another old-time player...
Have you pre-ordered the expansion yet?
I have been buying all new expantion preorders ( the 50 $ one or sometimes the 80 $ one ) since pretty much beta ( expect one or two expantion/adventure )
however, this time I won't be buying the new expantion preorder at all, I have been very bored with hearthstone lately, having nearly no intent to play the game more than daily quests and free arena run tickets, before I usually enjoyed to grind the ladder a bit, to legend even sometimes, but nowadays I nearly not even enjoy grinding past rank 5 anymore and after I get rank 5 I usually already play the meme decks I would play if i reached legend and pretty much don't care about the game anymore appart from the fun aspect...
Also the HS streamers/youtubers I used to like watching like kolento, thjis, kripp and trump I skip entirely nowadays and only still watch Dane and Kibler and that's pretty much it for HS content ! Other streamers/YTrs I used to watch like sajvz, dog, toast, sjow have already abandoned the game, and to be fair, nearly am I !
so this expantion will be a no for me, I will only be spending my gold on this one ! I'm enjoying playing other steam games way more and I already spend on the steam summer sale for 10+ games the money I would have payed for the HS expantion
Questilion for ipad pro users
Would an Android tablet be any good for your needs? The reason I ask is deck tracker works with Android and I don't think there is a version for iOS.
Quest Coming up! Do you think it's good already?
I haven't been playing druid much but I'm tempted to try it this upcoming expansion (no I ain't playing the current token druid; simply not my style). My question is do you think the current Choose one cards are enough or would the coming expansion have to include a bunch of new options to make the card viable?
I already spotted Raven Idol , Malfurion the Pestilent , Nourish and Wardruid Loti was confirmed to work. Crystal Power on an Acolyte of Pain or some "whenever damaged"-type minion could be fun as well but what else is there?
What new options are you expecting?
The Pepper Thread - Share Some Good Vibes!
I love to win with my wild mill druid deck. It's not really competitive but my "surprise" finish (tokens + savage roar/branching paths) always put a smile on my face, especially after I milled half of my opponents deck. Neutralize and coldlight oracles are such great cards :-)
Added bonus is that it's not completely powerless vs agro (if you are able to put some minions on the board at least)
Let's talk about the new design of each explorer
Oh. I didn't know that was the art. I see nothing wrong with this art at all. On the contrary, I quite like it. Finley even has his jawline and machete back. Thanks for sharing!
A Case for an Unnerfing and Hall of Faming of Warsong Commander
Before I continue, I would like apologize, if you don't find my arguments convincing or well-structured in this post or I miss some of your points. I don't have much time atm, because in one hour my mother and I would travel to Barcelona for one week and I won't be able to continue our little discussion. Don't be rush replying to me, you have plenty of time. :D
"If the power level isn't too terrible (Leeroy, Edwin, unleash the hounds), you could still enjoy the card in standard. Cards like Warsong Commander and Starving Buzzard are worse than river crocolisk and chillwind yeti. These are cards that aren't playable in wild OR standard and there's a whole load of other basic cards you'd put in a 30 card deck over these. "
I can't argue with that. And don't get me wrong, I always welcome card improvements such as direct buffs or redesigns, which would make underwhelming cards like WC to become playable again. But my issue is, that charge is a very sensitive topic in hearthstone. When I was a new player, I would have never imagined, that Stonetusk Boar would become a frustrating card. But in Un'goro and in K&C it was a core piece in Quest Rogue, in Boomsday it took part of a famous TopsyTurvy Priest deck (it was weak, but pro players would achieve some victories with it). It also enhanced Deathstalker Rexxar by giving the zombeasts charge. So it's not hard to imagine how an unnerfed WC would cause problems in wild.
"Unnerfed warsong, charge and other nerfed cards would not cause problems in the current card pool, so why not let us have our fun while nothing is conflicting? In addition, there a lot of nerfed cards that were nerfed simply because of power level, not design space issues."
I am not a warrior expert and I don't typically build combo decks, but imho just because we can't see the problematic deck right now, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't exist. I've linked all of the 3- or less Attack minions in my first post on this thread, so if someone has the mood to come up with a warrior combo deck, they are welcome to share their theorycraft. In this line of thoughts, I would like to give an example of one deck, that came out of the blue - Star Aligner Druid. When I saw that epic's reveal for the first time, I was very curious to see how people would play it. But I would have never imagined, that people would use it in a competitive deck, yet alone in wild. One very clever person saw the connections and they built it. You know the deck and how dominant it was in wild, so I won't talk about it any longer - imho the charge mechanic is more obvious to abuse.
" You can rat, hecklebot or deathlord out their commander (or berserker, or worgen), especially if it's in a more combo oriented list. You can unseen saboteur their charge. Warlocks can play their gnome or demonic project. Mages are running ice block and paladins could theoretically run time out."
I've expected you would say that. And I can't deny that hand/deck-disruption cards exist in wild, but I would like to state, that those aren't always reliable. If we see some lists, that run very few minions (most pre-standard Mecha'thun decks and AK75), you would easily pull a combo piece. But in the case with Mecha'thun warlock, where people ran many minions and can hold onto them, in order to minimize the chances of losing something important, the rat can whiff. Regarding Big Priest and other taunt decks - there is always a Brawl for those moments. I would play them right before I decide to go for the kill, but I agree with you, that Priest has way too many resurrect spells and the OTK warrior won't be able to deal with them at one point.
"How broken is this combo even? You compare it with hunter's rhino combo but that combo is completely fair. It's comprised fully of classic/basic cards but has seen little play until recently, making the class 4th or 5th best in the standard meta. Making a charging 15+ attack minion with warrior is possible, but requires a lot (relative to wild) of mana and combo pieces"
I didn't want to say, that this combo is broken. I wanted to say, that it would become popular the same way hunters use Tundra Rhino and Hyenas frequently. Also, I would like to disgree with you, that only now this combo is seeing a good amount of play. The truth is, almost everytime when (beast) mid-range hunter is popular, this 3-card combo is being run.
" As for standard midrange mech/bomb warrior, they only exist in standard. Their board fighting abilities isn't good enough to keep up with the wild midrange or faster decks. "
Why not? I have seen wild lists utilizing Coldlight Oracle to either make the opponent mill crucial cards or to draw bombs faster.
Regarding the rest of your post - I agree with it more or less.
[Note] - In my last post I forgot to say, that designing 100+ new cards, if the devs were to HoF the two sets, would be very hard to do. They have to spend a lot of time designing cards, that fit their philosophy regarding the 9 classes, their strenghts and weaknesses.