I tried burning him with vengeance they used a burst spellshield with spell mana. I tried buffing a follower to drop him they used two cheap spells to give him barrier with the draw engine they have I just found it impossible to kill him with my deck. I’d say vengeance needs a buff but it’s fine against everyday that does’t have spellshield which leads me to believe once again spellshield is just to damn useful.
Glad to see I’m not alone in wondering how to kill him. I’m glad the are trying to balance underused cards so they are useful but damn he is strong
When playing a deck with frostbite though he isn’t that much of a proble
I have to disagree with the last sentence buddy, spell shield can counter frostbite and even if you don't have it Lee Sin players are only going to attack after they give him a barrier, so he will still survive the encounter even if he doesn't kill you units.
That's a very narrow minded view my friend. Take the example of the They Who Endure deck, it existed since the beta but back then it was considered to be nothing but a meme deck, because you did nothing but spam blockers hoping that you would draw They Who Endure and Atrocity before your opponent could finish you off. It's not until the release rising tides that the deck became top tier, because it got access to the infamous Blighted Caretaker into Cursed Keeper combo among other things. allowing you to trade effectively while boosting They Who Endure.
Long story short if it wasn't for the card mentioned above endure wouldn't be seeing much play.
I think that the true problematic card is [Hearthstone Card (Warning Shot) Not Found] that card enable so many powerful play for free ( Sejuani, Riptide Rex, any plunder card ) and worst of all you can't interrupt it.
I didn't think that the sarcasm in my post could have been anymore obvious but hey this is the internet I guess.
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Sure thing, but how many serious Sejuani nerf discussions we had since rising tides? 2? Given how problematic this card is i think overall that the Community slep big way on Sejuani's powerlevel.
No one is sleeping on Sejuani power, the things is the card is a juggernaut in decks that can turbo her but in decks who can't do that, she just came across as decent.
I can make a bad deck for any champion you care to name. That doesn't make them "just decent."
You can make a bad deck for any champion ? That's quite impressive.
I didn't think that the sarcasm in my post could have been anymore obvious but hey this is the internet I guess.
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Sure thing, but how many serious Sejuani nerf discussions we had since rising tides? 2? Given how problematic this card is i think overall that the Community slep big way on Sejuani's powerlevel.
No one is sleeping on Sejuani power, the things is the card is a juggernaut in decks that can turbo her but in decks who can't do that, she just came across as decent.
Can we at least agree that maybe Sejuani should be harder to level up?
Considering that, like Ezreal, she levels up off the board and she's utterly backbreaking once she gets there, I think adding 1 or 2 rounds to her requirement would not be out of line.
I would like you to know that Sejuani is a perfectly balanced card.
I would also like you to know that Sejuani/Glangplank is most definitely NOT my favorite deck, and that the statement above is NOT biased.
I think the topic subject is quite interesting, the problem is how you present it: "Hey guys, i am an expert at this game, riot team are just a bunch of incompetent scrubs, here are my reason why and everyone who disagrees is also a scrub"
Back to the topic: 1- Jagged Butcher isn't the best drop 1 in the game. Precious Pet is. There is no 1 drop that can trade with Precious Pet on T1 alone. If we are taking 2 card combo into consideration, then the best T1 drop would be Zaunite Urchin + Jury-Rig, as this particular combo also generates 3 attack stats but without losing card advantage. So either way you are wrong.
2- Make it Rain is only situational good. The catch is that those "situations" happens quite often in the current meta. What makes this card particularly decent is its synergy with Kegs and holds a reliable Plunder effect. Best removal in the game is by far Ravenous Flock
3- Riptide Rex is not a finisher card. Is an AOE removal that SOMETIMES works also as a finisher. There isn't a single deck with a gameplan relying exclusively on Riptide Rex to close games.
4- Sejuani I see where you are going. I agree Sejuani has much better synergy with Bilgwater but so does Yasuo with Noxus and Maokai with Bilgwater and so on. I believe those champions were designed to be played on Bilgawater decks, but for Lore reasons they belong to other regions.
5- Petty Officer is the only one a fully agree. It just has too many stats overall with little risk, on top of situationally being able to generate a Keg.
And finally yes, this is indeed a QQ thread due to this part: "but I just want to play the new set, and there's literally no reason to right now and that sucks"
I agree with everything that you said except for the Precious PetBADCARDNAME part, Solari Soldier can trade favorably with pet on turn one.
By the way ramp aka the only targon list is actually really bad from a win rate perspective so you are basically saying hey this one targon list is almost playable at high level
Having above 50% win rate is bad? I really hope that you were being sarcastic there buddy. Besides that not the only new deck that's from the expansion that's doing well Shen/Lulu, Trundle/Tryndamere, Leona/Lux are also competitive decks.
When's the last time any of you saw a Mogwai stream talking about the meta, or a meta update by Swim, thats because the meta is dominated by Bilgewater and until adjustments are made there is nothing to talk about. I'm all for liking the region, but do you guys seriously want the game to stagnate forever?
The things is the meta is not stagnate, during the last days of rising tides control/tempo decks were the most popular but because of Trundle/Aurelion Sol there has been a resurgence of aggro decks.
So basically, your argument is "Hush is unhealthy because it's an indirect nerf to these archetypes that many people considered unhealthy."
No my argument is that one cheap card that you can't respond to, should not be able to shut down a deck, and those two were just examples there are other archetypes that Hush can shut down.
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The decks you mentioned were polarizing, uninteractive, and unfun to play against before Hush came along, so I don't think you'll find much sympathy on that front.
Polarizing? The same thing could have been said for Midrange Frostbite, Deep Monsters, Shen/Fiora. All top tier deck have their fans and their haters but unhealthy and uninteractive, that just nonsense. There are many decks who could beat them consistently including the one mentioned above.
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In fact, Ezreal was on the watchlist for a possible nerf, and Karma was on a previous watchlist. If Hush keeps them in check, they won't have to be nerfed, so maybe you should be grateful Hush exists.
I should be grateful? Are you serious ? I couldn't care less about Ezreal and Karma getting nerfed. In fact I'd rather have strong cards getting hit with the nerf hammer than having the game introduce a card than can shut down an archetypes will being completely useless against others.
Neither SpellShield nor Hush appear in any of the top-tier decks right now, so it's pretty obvious that these effects are not a problem. Targon as a region is barely represented in the competitive meta right now, apart from Trundle-ASol.
In fact, these effects are absolutely necessary if you want Targon decks to have any chance at all against the heavy hitters of the previous set.
I have to disagree on Hush, sure it doesn't appear on any top-tier deck but that's mostly because there isn't any top tier Targon deck at moment, which pretty normal since we still don't have all the cards for this expansion yet.
Most Targon decks that I encounter in ranked do run the card and she pretty much the reason why I stopped using decks like The Rekindler/Anivia or Ezreal/Karma, spending 10 rounds setting up your board and leveling up your champions, only for your opponent to deny you your win condition with one 3 mana card that you can't respond to due to it's burst speed, is not healthy card design not to mention salt inducing.
Anyway this is just my opinion on the matter fell free to disagree.
Spell shield doesn't seem to be that powerful, in my experience playing ranked I haven't faced any opponent that use Bastion, Shroud of Darkness or any card that give your units spell shield; I do agree however that certain cards like Fused Firebrand are a bit too strong, a 5/5 with fury is already hard to kill and doesn't need any extra protection.
I've been checking SIXMOREVODKA website, in their gallery there are a bunch concept art for what appears to be Shurimen followers. So I guess Shurima is the next region.
They can just release new cards and champions for existing regions and hopefully introduce Hearthstone style adventures. The game really need some form of solo content beside fighting the IA.
Void will not be a region almost certainly, Nocturne is from the void and is already in SI, like teemo and Lulu from Brandle City.
I Suspect Ixtal will not be a region also, it has very few champions. Shurima should be next one and i expect that will be it atleast for now. They can always split regions in the future.
I think Riot wants to release expansions without new regions soon to stabilize the game, and considering the current model of expansions beeing released in 3 sets. After Shurima 9 regions 90 cards 9 champions in set1 makes alot of sense.
I Don't think LOR needs too many more regions, i would prefer variety in terms of card types and strategies, even hearthstone has Hero cards and Weapons and MTG has so much stuff Artifacts/Enchantments/Equipment/Planeswalkers etc.
Nocturne is not from the void I don't know were you got that from, in the lore he's a demon born from shadow magic during the rune wars.
What if they decide to merge both regions a la Piltover & Zaun. I know it sound crazy but think about it : Malzahar, Kassadin, Kai'sa were Shuriman humans who gained void power, we also have Rek'sai and Kog'maw who currently reside in the Shuriman continent.
The patch is 1.11 not 1.10
Looking forward to the new lab, was hoping for some adjustment to Lee Sin, Oh well guess you can't have it all.
Bastion : Grant an ally +1+1 and Spell shield.
Me : I have a bad feeling about this one.
So many great concept art choosing one must have been difficult.
I have to disagree with the last sentence buddy, spell shield can counter frostbite and even if you don't have it Lee Sin players are only going to attack after they give him a barrier, so he will still survive the encounter even if he doesn't kill you units.
Of course you can try going for some combo like frostbite into Culling Strike, Reckoning or Rimefang Wolf and even then a Lee sin player have many ways to counter those plays. Deny and Bastion for the former, Hush and Concussive Palm for the latter.
Your not rude buddy, thanks for the insight.
That's a very narrow minded view my friend. Take the example of the They Who Endure deck, it existed since the beta but back then it was considered to be nothing but a meme deck, because you did nothing but spam blockers hoping that you would draw They Who Endure and Atrocity before your opponent could finish you off. It's not until the release rising tides that the deck became top tier, because it got access to the infamous Blighted Caretaker into Cursed Keeper combo among other things. allowing you to trade effectively while boosting They Who Endure.
Long story short if it wasn't for the card mentioned above endure wouldn't be seeing much play.
I think that the true problematic card is [Hearthstone Card (Warning Shot) Not Found] that card enable so many powerful play for free ( Sejuani, Riptide Rex, any plunder card ) and worst of all you can't interrupt it.
You can make a bad deck for any champion ? That's quite impressive.
I didn't think that the sarcasm in my post could have been anymore obvious but hey this is the internet I guess.
No one is sleeping on Sejuani power, the things is the card is a juggernaut in decks that can turbo her but in decks who can't do that, she just came across as decent.
I would like you to know that Sejuani is a perfectly balanced card.
I would also like you to know that Sejuani/Glangplank is most definitely NOT my favorite deck, and that the statement above is NOT biased.
I agree with everything that you said except for the Precious PetBADCARDNAME part, Solari Soldier can trade favorably with pet on turn one.
Having above 50% win rate is bad? I really hope that you were being sarcastic there buddy. Besides that not the only new deck that's from the expansion that's doing well Shen/Lulu, Trundle/Tryndamere, Leona/Lux are also competitive decks.
The things is the meta is not stagnate, during the last days of rising tides control/tempo decks were the most popular but because of Trundle/Aurelion Sol there has been a resurgence of aggro decks.
No my argument is that one cheap card that you can't respond to, should not be able to shut down a deck, and those two were just examples there are other archetypes that Hush can shut down.
Polarizing? The same thing could have been said for Midrange Frostbite, Deep Monsters, Shen/Fiora. All top tier deck have their fans and their haters but unhealthy and uninteractive, that just nonsense. There are many decks who could beat them consistently including the one mentioned above.
I should be grateful? Are you serious ? I couldn't care less about Ezreal and Karma getting nerfed. In fact I'd rather have strong cards getting hit with the nerf hammer than having the game introduce a card than can shut down an archetypes will being completely useless against others.
I have to disagree on Hush, sure it doesn't appear on any top-tier deck but that's mostly because there isn't any top tier Targon deck at moment, which pretty normal since we still don't have all the cards for this expansion yet.
Most Targon decks that I encounter in ranked do run the card and she pretty much the reason why I stopped using decks like The Rekindler/Anivia or Ezreal/Karma, spending 10 rounds setting up your board and leveling up your champions, only for your opponent to deny you your win condition with one 3 mana card that you can't respond to due to it's burst speed, is not healthy card design not to mention salt inducing.
Anyway this is just my opinion on the matter fell free to disagree.
Spell shield doesn't seem to be that powerful, in my experience playing ranked I haven't faced any opponent that use Bastion, Shroud of Darkness or any card that give your units spell shield; I do agree however that certain cards like Fused Firebrand are a bit too strong, a 5/5 with fury is already hard to kill and doesn't need any extra protection.
I've been checking SIXMOREVODKA website, in their gallery there are a bunch concept art for what appears to be Shurimen followers. So I guess Shurima is the next region.
They can just release new cards and champions for existing regions and hopefully introduce Hearthstone style adventures. The game really need some form of solo content beside fighting the IA.
Nocturne is not from the void I don't know were you got that from, in the lore he's a demon born from shadow magic during the rune wars.
What if they decide to merge both regions a la Piltover & Zaun. I know it sound crazy but think about it : Malzahar, Kassadin, Kai'sa were Shuriman humans who gained void power, we also have Rek'sai and Kog'maw who currently reside in the Shuriman continent.