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Mini expansion?
There has been some interview recently with Cora and Liv Breeden, where they talked about Expansions Mini-Sets and two things caught my eye: You will get cards from the mini-set via Madnes…
There has been some interview recently with Cora and Liv Breeden, where they talked about Expansions Mini-Sets and two things caught my eye:
- You will get cards from the mini-set via Madness at the Darkmoon Faire card packs.
- Duplicate protection will guarantee if you've collected all the commons from Darkmoon Faire when the mini-set drops, you will get commons from the new mini-set.
So does this mean, f.e. if I buy the 80 preorder, is it good idea to open packs till I have all the commons and rares and keep the rest of the packs for this mini expansion? If so, how many packs do you think I should keep, so I could get all the common and rares from the new mini set? Or should I open all at once and buy the rest with gold when the mini set drops? What do you think? What would you do? Care to hear your thoughts.
Thanks :)
Darkmoon Faire Highlander Deathrattle Menagerie Hunter
I'm sorry. [deck]20078[/deck]
I'm sorry.
Can someone explain to me that why my polkelt didn't worked?
Here is my replay: https://hsreplay.net/replay/KuFjpH72LTHbvKQM2i7WRn#turn=6b On my turn 6 I play Polkelt and on my turns 7 and 8 I draw 1 cost cards as if Polkelt reverse ordered my deck!? Am I m…
Here is my replay:
https://hsreplay.net/replay/KuFjpH72LTHbvKQM2i7WRn#turn=6b
On my turn 6 I play Polkelt and on my turns 7 and 8 I draw 1 cost cards as if Polkelt reverse ordered my deck!?
Am I missing something? Can someone explain the reason to me..
ramp druid 8 mana on turn 4
ramp druid 8 mana on turn 4
ramp druid 8 mana on turn 4
76% WR to Legend
From Bronze10 to Diamond5 I played my version of Soulshard Demon Hunter (63% WR) and from Diamond5 to Legend I played Enrage Warrior (76% WR) Bronze10 to Diamond5: ### Soul Reaper DH# Class: Demonh…
From Bronze10 to Diamond5 I played my version of Soulshard Demon Hunter (63% WR) and from Diamond5 to Legend I played Enrage Warrior (76% WR)
Bronze10 to Diamond5:
### Soul Reaper DH
# Class: Demonhunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Phoenix
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# 2x (1) Battlefiend
# 2x (1) Consume Magic
# 2x (1) Spirit Jailer
# 2x (1) Twin Slice
# 2x (2) Blade Dance
# 2x (2) Manafeeder Panthara
# 2x (2) Soul Shear
# 2x (3) Aldrachi Warblades
# 2x (3) Shardshatter Mystic
# 2x (4) Ashtongue Battlelord
# 1x (4) Kayn Sunfury
# 2x (4) Marrowslicer
# 2x (5) Glaivebound Adept
# 2x (5) Soulshard Lapidary
# 2x (6) Skull of Gul'dan
# 1x (7) Soulciologist Malicia
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
# Generated by HDT - https://hsreplay.net
Diamond5 to Legend:
### Enrage Warrior
# Class: Warrior
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Phoenix
#
# 2x (0) Inner Rage
# 2x (1) Athletic Studies
# 2x (1) Risky Skipper
# 2x (1) Shield of Honor
# 2x (1) Sky Raider
# 2x (2) Armorsmith
# 2x (2) Battle Rage
# 1x (2) Corsair Cache
# 1x (3) Ancharrr
# 2x (3) Bloodsworn Mercenary
# 2x (3) Bomb Wrangler
# 2x (3) Livewire Lance
# 1x (3) Lord Barov
# 2x (3) Warmaul Challenger
# 2x (4) Kor'kron Elite
# 2x (7) Bloodboil Brute
# 1x (8) Grommash Hellscream
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
# Generated by HDT - https://hsreplay.net
Save your class packs for even more Madness!
I've been thinking and technically it should work. If you don't open your Mage and Hunter class packs till Madness at the Darkmoon Faire launches, you might be able to get some extra class specific c…
I've been thinking and technically it should work. If you don't open your Mage and Hunter class packs till Madness at the Darkmoon Faire launches, you might be able to get some extra class specific cards from the new expansion due to the no duplicates rule across all rarities. I'm keeping my packs to verify :D
These are the packs I'm talking about: https://imgur.com/a/JVigX9d
How it feels to play libram paladin
reward details
A part the general principle, is there any detail about how much you get from a win and how do you get rewards from progress ? I would like to know figures not "philosophy" - tks
A part the general principle, is there any detail about how much you get from a win and how do you get rewards from progress ?
I would like to know figures not "philosophy" - tks
Challenge a Friend in New System
I'm sure it's too early to tell, but I was wondering if anyone has heard whether or not all existing quests will be ported to the new system with appropriately adjusted XP rewards?Specifically thinki…
I'm sure it's too early to tell, but I was wondering if anyone has heard whether or not all existing quests will be ported to the new system with appropriately adjusted XP rewards?
Specifically thinking about the Challenge a Friend for 80 gold quest that exists now as I got it today and then challenged a friend. I was thinking after how this particular quest might not be continued, and how sad that would seem. I have never personally participated in the 80g quest sharing as I have local friends I usually trade those with. But I know many people save them until they can get a trade through the forums and double their shared gold.
Would be sad to see it go. Maybe it'll still be around. But unless any specifics have been shared about if any current quests won't be ported over we'll just have to wait and see I guess.
Quest progress
Hey guys, I just played a few games against 3 friends today (they all had the Challenge a friend quest) and after none of these games my quest log has been updated. I had 2 50 gold quests "…
Hey guys,
I just played a few games against 3 friends today (they all had the Challenge a friend quest) and after none of these games my quest log has been updated.
I had 2 50 gold quests "play 30 cards" and "destroy 25 minions" but there was no quest progress -> still 0/30 and 0/25.
Is it bugged? Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon yet?
RNG vs skill: a false competition
Hearthstone often called an RNG fiesta, and the prevailing wisdom is that it takes less skill to play than other TCGs/CCGs because of it. I’m not here to argue whether HS, MtG, LoR etc. is the …
Hearthstone often called an RNG fiesta, and the prevailing wisdom is that it takes less skill to play than other TCGs/CCGs because of it. I’m not here to argue whether HS, MtG, LoR etc. is the more skilful since as far as I know the concept of ‘skill’ cannot be quantified, so we’d be stuck using opinions and gut feelings which get us nowhere.
No, the purpose of this thread is to make the case that RNG, in HS as well as other (card) games, should not be regarded with the surface-level analysis that it usually receives. Namely: “you have less control of the outcome, therefore that outcome requires less skill”. To escape the ever-present debate of whether RNG in deck order counts, I'll focus more on randomness outside of card games, which helps shed a different light on things.
Chess and ‘the bamboozle play’
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I start with chess: a board game where 1 player goes up against another in a fair, zero-RNG battle of wits and planning. Well, no RNG except for who gets to go first anyway. In a sense we can view chess like a card game mirror match where both players’ decks start on the board. At every point in the game you know exactly what you are up against and you know exactly how every piece is going to behave.
In such a deterministic environment you can plan several turns ahead, working out what you want to do, how you want to do it, and devising counter-plays for your opponent’s inevitable counter-plays. It’s all very skilful… if you are a good player and that description applies to you. I am not a good chess player: I know the rules, but I’m not interested enough in the game to invest the time and effort to make chess a skill of mine. Because of this, I know that if I play against a good player, my odds of winning are very small (which frankly acts as a deterrent against me wanting to play the game, and is certainly a good argument for why HS has so much RNG: to let bad players still enjoy it. But I digress).
However, while I know I’m bad at playing chess conventionally, I also know I can help even the odds by reducing my opponent’s ability too. Which brings me to what I call ‘the bamboozle play’. The idea is simple: do something the opponent won’t expect yet doesn’t do you any harm either. Often this involves moving a piece that still leaves all your key pieces protected but has no influence on the current points of tension on the board. I basically pick a piece at random and as long as it can do something safe I’m happy to move it.
The upshot of the bamboozle play is that it leaves the opponent unsure what I’m going to do, thereby negating a lot of their advantage in being able to predict future turns. The bamboozle play itself is not especially skilful; yes, I must know the rules well enough to know what is safe to do, but it doesn’t go a whole lot deeper than that. However, the very idea of the bamboozle play is quite skilful since it is designed specifically to counter my main disadvantage.
Thus, by feeding a bit of randomness into how I play, I am a more skilful player than I would be without it. Of course I could choose to be even more skilful by actually learning to play chess properly, but I have better things to do than that.
The genius of Monte Carlo simulations
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Moving away from games, let’s talk about using RNG in a serious setting: to run scientific simulations and therefore better understand the world around us. The simulations in question, named after the casinos in the city of Monte Carlo (so it’s got some connection to card games through that at least), choose to ignore the known equations provided by mathematics and/or physics in favour of generating a heck of a lot of random numbers instead.
Perhaps the simplest example is calculating the value of the mathematical constant pi (i.e. the pi in the area of a circle = pi * r^2). The way to do this is to snugly put a circle inside a square so the circle’s diameter is equal to the square’s width, 2r = w, and then fire randomly generated vectors at it, each landing at a position (x,y) inside the square. Do this a lot of times, then at the end count what fraction of those vectors landed inside the circle. That will equal the ratio of circle area to square area (pi*(r/w)^2 = pi/4), so multiply it by 4 et voila! You have calculated pi!
You can do much more sophisticated things than this, and I personally have a lot of experience in running Monte Carlo simulations of polymers or swimming bacteria which need to interact in complex ways through the fluid they are in. Each random number does something that has no physical meaning, but real physics can be made to come out if you generate enough of them in the right way.
The point is that RNG can be extremely clever at a statistical level, but that only becomes apparent after a long time. If you focus on individual random numbers, then it looks uncontrolled and you might mistake the end result as an accident of chance when it is in fact just as likely to happen as if you used deterministic equations to get there.
Relating these to Hearthstone
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Now to bring things back to RNG in HS.
The bamboozle play can be most easily related to random card generation, letting you do something the opponent won’t expect and plan for. That could be entirely accidental, which is often the case with casting a random spell or summoning a random minion, in which case it is probably not skill or wisdom that led you to do it. Even here though there are examples where it does involve skill, e.g. recognising your only path to victory lies in summoning a taunt.
The discover keyword provides the cleanest demonstration of this ‘bamboozle skill’. There are at least 3 tiers of skill here: 1) you just pick randomly; 2) you pick the card that best suits your deck; 3) you pick the card that best suits your deck while also acting as a counter to the opponent. There’s a lot of knowledge and understanding that goes into making the right choice.
Ultimately, I think the middle ground random card generation (i.e. it goes into your hand, but you don’t have any choice in what card it is) hides the most skill of these three. Being able to work out a good use for a card that has no obvious use arguably shows more skill than following the same old game-plan with a low RNG deck. That comparison can be debated; I’m just pointing out there’s an argument for it.
Monte Carlo’s relation to RNG in Hearthstone is usually one of win rates rather than individual games. Put succinctly, you play the random effects that statistically improve your odds of winning, even if each individual effect looks uncontrolled. The entire reason RNG makes it into strong decks is statistical, and the people who worked out the RNG cards were good (I’m not looking at you netdeckers!) were the skilled players that saw past the variance… OK, and deck-trackers build the statistics for them so they only actually need to know that a larger number is good. But that diminishment of skill is down to the deck-trackers and HS websites, not the game design itself.
Ultimately, a player’s skill in any game is just a measure of how well they can navigate the environment they are given. You can be great at chess but hopeless in HS and vice versa, not so much because one game requires more skill than the other, but because the two games require a different set of skills. To comment on the amount of RNG in HS is to comment on the game environment, not the skill it takes to play it well.
To round things off I’m going to make a comment regarding Burgle Rogue (which has long been my favourite archetype and I am therefore very biased). Given my preference for the bamboozle play in chess, it is perhaps obvious that I would gravitate to a deck whose main win condition is to bamboozle the opponent into submission by doing it so much that statistics shine through within a single game. I guess all I really want is for people to recognise that there’s a lot more skill and planning going on than it looks like when you meet me on ladder and I beat you up with an Animated Avalanche in a deck with no elementals in it.
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Tl;dr: seriously? If you really want 1500 words condensed into a single sentence I guess I’ll repeat this: To comment on the amount of RNG in HS is to comment on the game environment, not the skill it takes to play it well.
Will Corrupt trigger with discounts?
Basically the title. I wonder if Corrupt can be triggered using discount effects like giants. Another example: You have [card]Kalecgos[/card] in play, draw a Corrupt card and proceed to cast [card]Py…
Basically the title. I wonder if Corrupt can be triggered using discount effects like giants. Another example: You have Kalecgos in play, draw a Corrupt card and proceed to cast Pyroblast for free. Will this fulfill the Corrupt condition? There are similar combos already in the game we might extrapolate from: Dragoncaller Alanna and Anubisath Defender should follow the same rules. Arcane Tyrant would probably be easier to pull off. Can someone tell me if this works?
Grinding to get Hero Alt Art
I finally got my Alt Art for my Warlock hero and I couldn't be happier. BUT... much like other awesome things, I want more. So I've been grinding to get my other favorite class alt art he…
I finally got my Alt Art for my Warlock hero and I couldn't be happier. BUT... much like other awesome things, I want more. So I've been grinding to get my other favorite class alt art heroes and I am finding the trial to be ridiculously tough.
SO my question comes to the forums to see what has everyone else done when you see the light at the end of the tunnel, like when you are around 950+ wins, and you start to feel like you cannot keep going? I am trying to kill off my Rogue wins and I have less than 15 left to go, but it honestly feels like I am getting encountered with every single possible counters to my decks.
This isn't a salt thread at all. I get the RNG of it all. I am just more conscious of it all right now as I just.... want... my... pirate... Valeera.
Follow up question on that as well, has anyone felt that same way when grinding out the last wins for your alt art?
Special Legendary Quest chain?
Hey guys, there´s one thing I´ve noticed in the Madness at the Darkmoon Faire introduction, but haven´t find any other info or confirmation on this: [quote from="Blizzard"]Pre-purch…
Hey guys,
there´s one thing I´ve noticed in the Madness at the Darkmoon Faire introduction, but haven´t find any other info or confirmation on this:
Pre-purchase either Madness at the Darkmoon Faire bundle to instantly get early access to Duels along with a special Legendary Quest chain that rewards 6 Scholomance Academy Packs!
So the question is, did those who pre purchased the bundles get the Legendary Quest chain? If so, what are those quests about? If not, when should the quest chain appear? Didn´t find any discusion towards this, so any informations/links would be apreciated :)
Cheers.
Card voice actor speculation
Most Hearthstone characters have uncredited, unconfirmed voice actors, but I bet everyone's probably speculating who they are. Some well-known characters are already credited in WoW and their voices …
Most Hearthstone characters have uncredited, unconfirmed voice actors, but I bet everyone's probably speculating who they are. Some well-known characters are already credited in WoW and their voices are very similar in Hearthstone, others have their VA listed on other sites. Here are my guesses (NOT confirmations) on the unconfirmed voice actors, which I assumed from comparing characters with known VAs in Hearthstone or notable roles in other media.
Abusive Sergeant: Jamieson Price (voice of Lord Jaraxxus)
Warsong Commander: Melodee Spevack (voice of Ichoron, as well as Garudamon from Digimon)
Bittertide Hydra: Lani Minella (voice of Golakka Crawler) She was credited in the Un'Goro leak under several animalistic voices like Golakka Crawler, "Pterodactyl" (there are several in the expansion) and "Hydra". Bittertide is the only hydra in the expansion and sounds a lot like Golakka.
Seaforium Bomber: Nika Futterman (Luna Loud from The Loud House, Sticks the Badger from Sonic Boom)
New Secretkeeper: Karen Strassman (voice of Chromie and Jandice Barov)
Illidari Felblade: Sophia Amoss (voice of Squeamlish and Spellward Jeweler)
Silas Darkmoon: Bob Beal (Veigar from League of Legends) They sound so similar with the voice crack and everything, but it's unlikely.
Lol... 12-2 first time playing. Nerfs incoming!
First off, I do not intend to share the class or deck I got 12 with literally in the first run I ever played. If you know me from the Riddle game you can msg me and will tell you how to spam wins. It…
First off, I do not intend to share the class or deck I got 12 with literally in the first run I ever played. If you know me from the Riddle game you can msg me and will tell you how to spam wins. Its the obvious one and wow with a little consideration I stomped my way through after a couple early losses while still building my deck.
Granted, I am a serious dungeon runner and everyone else is just starting to test it out, but the crap I employed was magabusted. We are talking turn two game overs.
Still. Love it. Blizz did good and I am about to start a new run handicapping myself with that class that is wayyyyyy off the hook. Half my matches were concedes.
aaaaaaand i was drunk off that vodka and energy drink : D it was super too easies
Tavern Pass Question....when best to buy?
Hearthstone says that "Purchasing the Tavern Pass at any point during the expansion will immediately grant the Golden Silas Darkmoon Legendary card, a 10% XP Boost that lasts for the duration of the …
Hearthstone says that "Purchasing the Tavern Pass at any point during the expansion will immediately grant the Golden Silas Darkmoon Legendary card, a 10% XP Boost that lasts for the duration of the expansion, and all items up to your current level on the free track" Does this mean that it is best to purchase Tavern Pass after reaching level 50 to get all the stuff a second time? If so, this may be a very good deal.
Hearthstone Best Twitch Moments of All Time
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Golden Transfer Student
Did anyone get the two golden transfer students after completing the rexxar adventure? I think i have completed all requirements but got nothing. Do I have the students in the deck when p…
Did anyone get the two golden transfer students after completing the rexxar adventure? I think i have completed all requirements but got nothing. Do I have the students in the deck when playing games on dalaran etc.. boards?
Is there a possibility to check what is missing for completion?