Ride And Die - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread
Submitted 3 years, 5 months ago by
ShadowsOfSense
Competition Theme: Ride And Die
It's time to saddle up your trusty steed and charge into battle with them!
- You must create a spell which buffs a minion and summons another minion when that minion dies
- Damn that's a mouthful - it's Mounts, guys, like Elekk Mount or Spikeridged Steed
Sinti is looking for the very best mounts this week - make sure you trained yours well!
As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.
Competition Phases
Here are the phases of this card design competition
- Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Jul 12 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Jul 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
- Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Jul 17 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Jul 18 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
- Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Jul 18 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Jul 19 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
- Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.
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Competition Theme: Ride And Die
It's time to saddle up your trusty steed and charge into battle with them!
Sinti is looking for the very best mounts this week - make sure you trained yours well!
As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.
Competition Phases
Here are the phases of this card design competition
Discussion Thread Rules
No thread rules were added to this season. Please populate and manually edit this thread with them.
Welcome to the site!
Here's my first take. It's probably too basic, though.
Even if I go with it, I think I'll probably use the same cost & stats as Ramming Mount, since it has better synergy with the effect.
The rules do not state that the minion has to be friendly, so until Shadows or Sinti shoot me down this is my idea:
The art could stand to be more Warcraft-y, though. Maybe I'll use a picture of a corrupted Medivh...
Edit: I could also "upgrade" the card to give +6/+6 for 3-mana and summon an Infernal. That would let me use an existing token, like a callback to Lord Jaraxxus or somethin'. Here's what that would look like, on the right.
I know mounts (and pretty much any other cards) don't normally give minion types, but I thought it'd be a fun mechanic as well as interesting flavor and support for Menagerie Warlock. And yes, I'll fix the watermark before I submit so you don't need to point it out.
-Hordaki (rhymes with Mordecai)
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Everyone's first instinct will naturally be to make a Mount card, but the prompt is actually more creatively open than it initially seems.
This is pretty similar to a mount idea, but I dig the flavor of guards surrounding a minion and then dispersing when their buddy is slain. I'm split between the Silver Hand or Adventurer effects since both make sense thematically and fit into Paladin's existing identities.
Hi everyone,
Here's my initial idea this time around:
Barreling Helboar for a tempo-aggro warrior spell. I imagine the warrior's minions attempting to ride this charging helboar into battle! I'm considering if the front half could have Rush on it (the rider steering the boar towards enemies).
Feedback:
@Wailor
@linkblade91
@Hordaki
@Demonxz95
@BloodMefist
First idea for this week. I'll add the token once I've found suitable art, but it's obviously a 2 Mana 3/2 with Stealth and a Beast tag. Flavor is Foxes = sly
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Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
New idea, since the old one was very boring.
Might change the watermark (and replace Recruit with "summon from your deck").
Feedback:
Overall, it's a nice card, but a bit basic, IMO.
Simple competition, but my mind is melted. Not sure about Imitation wording btw.
I'm kind of new to this, so I would like to get some feedback before I submit my card.
Off of Arkasaur's feedback, I went and found some different art to use. Perhaps this one better connects everything else together as well for Wailor ;)
Feedback
I'm going to point out the watermark anyway. XD
I quite like the idea and the flavor of the card, though I do agree with Wailor in that the All type doesn't seem fitting for a spell both mechanically and flavorfully. I'm not sure if you meant to make the card for Warlock or Warrior since you specify the former in your card description, but you use the latter as the class of the card at the moment. In any case, I'm thinking maybe MatDF would be a good set to put it in to fit the "darkness" approach of the set as well as the Menagerie archetypes.
Congrats on that win! I look forward to whatever competition you have for us.
Ancient Spirit is my favorite of the three cards. It's very simple, but it's also a very charming type of simple that makes it stand out against other cards of the same simplicity level. The only issue with the card I see is that it has used art. This art is already taken by the Big Wisps option of Wisps of the Old Gods.
Imitation is a funny card flavorwise, but it seems on average to be a worse Ancestral Spirit.
System Update is another funny card, though I find its ability to target any minion (as opposed to just Mechs) to be a little bit strange and bringing back Zilliax is something that not everyone will likely be happy with it. I think "summon a Zilliax" should also be changed to just "summon Zilliax". Zilliax isn't just a random unimportant mob that you find somewhere. It's a named Legendary character with proper Hearthstone lore.
Welcome aboard! It's always nice to see some new people getting involved with card creation. You will likely have some questions to ask and we are available here to answer them.
This idea of choosing a form to give a minion and then summoning that form of minion is an idea that I tried to do for the comp, but I couldn't get good wording for it, so I am glad that you seemed to have gotten it. The wording is a bit unconventional, but it does communicate what the card does pretty well.
The biggest problem I see with your card is that all 3 pieces of it use existing art. Kodo Mount uses the artwork of Getaway Kodo, Distressed Kodo uses the artwork of Stampeding Kodo, and Anxious Kodo uses the artwork of Thickhide Kodo. Finding good art for all of these pieces is probably going to be difficult, but it'll be worth it if you can.
A smaller problem is the use of the Classic watermark as the card doesn't belong in Classic due to using the Rush mechanic which was introduced in The Witchwood. This is a mistake that I see new people to this hobby make a lot, so you shouldn't feel too bad about it. The card feels like a Mount card in the new Stormwind set down to a tee, so it probably makes the most sense to use that watermark.
Hope to see you around for more. *thumbs up*
The fox is just too boring and Demon is right, the Stealth part might get dangerous. I came up with something a bit more flavorful instead:
I'll add feedback in about 12 hours from now.
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Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
^ Well, you made the choice for me: I'm going with Heart of Felfire. Don't need Take Possession and Demonic Possession in the same comp lol :P
I just messaged you on Discord to say that I'll drop Take Possession if you think we're too close. Plenty of time to come up with something else :)
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Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
Ah: I'm at work, so I can't see Discord lol. Shouldnt even be on my phone. You're good to go with Take Possession; I prefer Heart of Felfire anyway. I was just being difficult :P
Been a while since we've had a crab card, decided to make a versatile spell (not 100% on the cost and expansion):
Feedback, from oldest to newest:
I like the Hawkstrider much more. Kept the naming convention Blizzard was using for the new expansion, but might rename the minions to look less awkward. Also, either of these might be okay at 1-mana.
EDIT: Would making Rogue "+1/+1 and Deathrattle: Return this to your hand." be overpowered? In addition to bounce synergy, it effectively gives you a permanent 1/1 as it retains the Deathrattle of returning to your hand, which would be a great combo activator card. Rush is better suited to Warrior anyways.
Feedback, as promised:
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Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
I feel like posting.
Feedback time:
Cheese - I think I like Peculiar Pilots the most. Summoning a random Legendary is a huge variance and not really tied to the Warrior, while the other two are simply okay. Peculiar Pilots plays into Mech Hunter, while also being a sort-of callback to Piloted Shredder.
Lundy - I prefer the Hawkstrider. I don't like the art on the Mechanostrider, and it just feels bland. Conversely, the art for the Hawkstrider cards are perfect and Spell Damage adds a different dimension. The only thing you're missing is a watermark on the Strider minion.
Nirast - I mentioned it in Discord, but you should replace the Big Crab art so they're not the same and make it a Hunter minion.
anchorm4n - I believe you submitted already, but at any rate I'd say you're good to go with Take Possession.
Demonxz95 - That art is much better.
AeroJulwin - Hello! Welcome to OutofCards, and to our side of things :D For being new to this, you did a pretty good job overall; I like it a lot. A few things to consider: the watermark on the Kodo Mount card is for Classic/Legacy, so that should be changed, and the art for the Kodos is already being used by Stampeding Kodo and Thickhide Kodo, so those should be swapped out as well. Beyond that, I think you're good to go!
R - Imitation is weird: I think I know what you mean by "this minion", but I shouldn't have to guess or puzzle it out. System Update is a bit heavy-handed, so by the process of elimination I would say go with Ancient Spirit: it may be simple, but it's still a very effective card for Token Druid. It might have to cost 1, given it buffs, summons a body, and is Nature for Guff Runetotem.
Wailor - Cycle of Life is a cool card, but it should probably not be a K&C card. Recruit has a connotation that doesn't connect with the flavor of the card itself.
Arkasaur - I like it; not much to add, really, 'cause it seems ready to submit.
BloodMefist - I like Silver Hand Recruits more than the Adventurers, but the Adventurers appear to be the Flavor of the Month so maybe go with them? Hard to say. The SHR version is definitely the more "dangerous" one, given how much synergy exists for them.
Hordaki - I think you mean Menagerie Warrior :P I like the card, and its intended use-case; N'Zoth, God of the Deep is a favorite of mine. That being said, it doesn't seem like giving a minion all-types is really that effective, as we lack cards like Houndmaster or Fire Breather in Warrior. Ringmaster's Baton and Ringmaster Whatley exist, but the minion you're buffing won't benefit from including those in your deck.
Some more feedback:
Mechanostrider Mount, on the other hand, doesn't have such a neat effect (Rogue isn't known for using Rush) and has an awful art.
Also, I wouldn't go with Wooden Steed, since Shaman+Rogue wasn't a class combination in Scholomance.
Updated my cards:
More feedback:
Remember to force apply the watermark to your token cards if you have any. They don't have a rarity gem, but they do have a watermark (Xyrella's Elekk). Only 1 of the 6 currently submitted cards with a token thought of that and they used an exisiting token from an old set. (You do that by selecting "Custom" in the watermark drop down field [even if you're using the watermark from an existing expansion] and tick the box "Force Apply Emblem").
Cheese: I have to agree with Wailor, Repair Bots might be the card with the coolest flavor so far. Great idea!
Nirast: It's a bit too creative for my taste. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of a card that uses a choice between two options outside of "Choose One".
Really great ideas overall! So far I have voted seven times 4 stars and one time 5 stars (might have been more without the watermark problem mentioned above) out of 16 cards. Crazy!
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Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
I don't think it's unheard of, just not phrased this way. I think it should be something along the lines of:
"Give a minion +3/+4. If it's an enemy minion with 3 or less Attack, destroy it instead. When the target dies, summon a Crab."
Tried it in HearthCards. Sadly it takes up to much space on the card. Edit: Nevermind, if you cut it between "When" and "the target" it fits on four lines.
Death Coil
True, thanks for helping me out :)
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Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
There are actually more than there initially seems like there would be. Off the top of my head, Guess the Weight and Sphere of Sapience provide two options. As as aforementioned even though it doesn't work like a traditional choice card, Death Coil could also fit into that category as well. Actually if Death Coil counts, then Demonfire and Demonheart would also count.
In the realm of more than two options, then you expand this even further. I've always felt that Choose One shouldn't have been a Druid-specific keyword since in addition to opening lots of design spaces for other classes, modal effects are just a main staple for a lot of card games.
I was mostly thinking of cards that are worded "Do this, or do that", but your examples are also good, Demon.
I agree Choose One shouldn't be exclusive to Druid, and I would argue neither should Combo.
Quick feedback! Only got one day left!
The only one of these four I don't like particularly much is Wooden Steed. I feel like just playing Animated Broomstick is generally better. The fact that it uses a non-existant pairing of classes also bothers me. It would be completely fine with a custom watermark, but not in Scholomance (though that would then put you in a problem of generating a card which would be Wild-only at the time which not everyone may be fond of).
I like the simplicity of Repair Bots, though the first Peculiar Pilots will likely get a better score since it's more flashy.
Good luck to everyone in the finals!
If I had known that Take Possession would be a finalist and my card would not, I would have made a bigger stink and got anchorm4n to make a new card lol jk :P
Good luck to the finalists.
*gives anchorm4n the evil eye* ...Congratulations, ya bastard lol
thank you! I'll take care to do something completely different than you for the rest of the season :D
I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
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Congrats, anchorm4n!