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While I see the resemblance to Prince Keleseth, this is different on multiple levels. Prince Keleseth affected all your minions, always, and caused a huge (while delayed) power spike on turn 2. If Keleseth was a 4 mana 5/4, I doubt it would have seen play, maybe just in Zoo warlock that has a hero power that allows you to make use of all those cards instead of taking ages to draw them.
You can't have a Dragon deck with 27 Dragons and this in your deck +2 spells because you'd be killed by basucally any aggro deck before you drop your first Dragon 9/10 games even if you do get this on turn 4. So, it's limited in that regard. Every control spell you put in to stop aggro (because you don't really have a low cost Dragon for it) takes another dragon out of your deck.
Most Dragon decks in the past contained as low as 7 dragons in order to operate. Lowering their cost by 2 is way different than lowering all your minions to 1 mana as well, by the way. 1 mana on Archmage Antonidas or a Mountain Giant is so much stronger than a 2 mana discount on a 9-drop and I don't get how people are missing that.
I don't honestly think Dragon decks are going to run that many dragons in the first place, even discounting memey 29 Dragons and one Frizz Kindleroost decks. Maybe Dragon decks aren't even really a thing, and they're more like Galakrond decks that HAPPEN to run Dragons, because the Invoke cards just so happen to be Dragons.
Most dragons are going to be big. So you need to draw this, and then you need to draw a big Dragon soon enough for the -2 cost to actually matter (and shaving 2 cost off an Alex if you draw her past turn 10 really isn't that big of a deal, for instance) and if you don't get your payoff, you're running a 4 mana 5/4, which really isn't something you want to run in a deck that wants to play a lot of big dragons...
The dream where you draw and play this on curve and nuke everything on Tempo is certainly fun, but it's just that, a dream... I just can't see any world where this whole gameplan actually works out. People will try it for sure, but mark my words, I think it's going to fall out of favor VERY quickly in Dragon decks, if Dragon decks are even a thing.
I still think I'd place pretty good money on there just being Galakrond decks that just happen to run dragons that end up being viable. I've been around the block long enough to know how this works.
But I've also been around the block long enough to know that you never know, no matter how much you might think you know.
Both posts in this thread are pretty bang on my reasoning too. It's not a bad card, it's a very strong one subjectively and it will see play in every dragon deck. But it's not the world being razed.
It'll discount a limited number of cards in your deck, most likely ten or less in any competitive list. Many of those will be high-drops whose discounted cost will not be all that disproportionately powerful. Overall, looking at a large representative sample of games, I'd expect (and being clear - this isn't scientific at all) to see this card have a significant impact in one in ten of them at most.
Further prediction - this card will be nerfed. It will not be nerfed because it's overly powerful, although T5 will likely present it as being so. It will instead be nerfed because every scrub that eats a one-game-in-a-thousand highroll curve against this card will whine about it endlessly until it's nerfed just to shut them up.
I don't even think it's going to be that.
Best case scenario I can see, it'll be what Trump calls the Two star treatment. It'll be tried out, it won't work out, and people will move on.
It might honestly be phased out fast enough to get the One star treatment.
I’m not usually into predicting a cards worth, but this thing is gonna be a problem...
I could see this either as a tempo play, or with banker's to enable combos. Not as strong as galaxy in effect, but it also leaves behind a solid body. Toss in spirit of the shark or brann, and you can get some really crazy things going.
It took a while for me to realize that he's in a hole in the floor. At first I thought he was standing on a plate or on a flying saucer of some sort.
I don't think it's most important but I think it's she not he.
I think different than most of the guys/gals around web.
This card is good, ok, but the system of card games doesn't let it busted in my opinion.
Think this is the last card of your deck because of the amazing rng. This card is basically a dead card in that situation for example.
Even you could achieve to play this in the curve, it is turn 3 at best (with coin) + you need to draw those decreased dragons and most of the aggro games end around turn 6-8. Dragons are heavy minions and midrange-oriented/combo potential/controllish cards mostly. Even If your deck has great draws, You can draw 2-3 cheap dragons against an aggro deck at best. Sometimes it can change the game if you can draw game-changing dragons like Crazed Netherwing, etc. . Aggro players will simply ignore this card and try to win asap if you drop this on curve and this card has no protection against it.
I mean, ok card seems super-strong and will probably staple in almost all dragon-based decks but not broken in my opinion. It is a great tool to play in dragon decks against control/combo decks. Doesn't help you against aggro decks.
I don't think this will get a nerf, At least not in the meta that Shamans end games around turn 4-7.
But yeah the card seems good, i must agree that. Great synergy with Fate Weaver for example if you want to see some Malygos + Holy Smite like finisher effects in standard again after Mind Blast's leave.
An/or shine more in some of aggressive Dragon Hunter decks.
4 mana 5/4 is not a dead card, its a good vanilla minion.
Remember keleseth?
i see this card more like Prince Keleseth or Luna's Pocket Galaxy. If you can make good deck with card like this, you can still play your game, but drawing it early makes you almost insta-win. We have been there, and seeing cards like this being coined by your opponent is one of worst hearthstone experience. In my opinion it is just bad for the game.
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oh and Shadowstep andSpirit of the Shark
Sorry if I make you misunderstood.
I already didn't say that the card is bad etc. I just said that the card is not broken as you thought.
Ok, It is frustrating to see coin + Frizz Kindleroost but not frustrating enough to be Prince Keleseth tier of frustrating. Prince Keleseth is a 2-cost card. Can be played on turn 1 twice with Shadowstep but that's not possible for Frizz Kindleroost. It is turn 3 at best. If you want to play it twice like Prince Keleseth in a turn, you need to wait for 6 mana and then you need to draw all of those dragons in turn 7 and you don't build dragon decks with only dragon minions. You need other guys to support your deck. So, you don't draw dragons in every turn. With Prince Keleseth, You always draw minions which are affected by Prince Keleseth's battlecry because it effects ALL minions, unlike Frizz Kindleroost.
I am saying that card is good enough to be a part of tier 1-4 decks but not broken af. That's all.
agreed with everything you said. I dont think this is a broken card so much as Pocket Galaxy for 5 was. I see this mainly used in combo decks and the occasional tempo dragon deck out there but nothing seriously unplayable against.
your argumentation is fair enough. And i can see some of your points as a valid ones. I hope it is you who is right, as im afraid cards like this can destroy game experience.
I hope so. :)
So pumped for this expansion!
Since it only applies to dragons in the deck, this may not be as busted as it looks. You need to play this on curve to get the most out of it, a reasonable amount of dragons in the deck and you need to not draw them before you play this. It's certainly a very strong card and maybe it's too powerful, but i think people are overreacting to it. But it's true that this invokes Prince Keleseth feelings. The person who draws this first and plays on curve is always going to be ahead. This makes classes that would otherwise struggle to run dragons have a chance at a good Dragon deck. The greediest dragons like Emeriss certainly love it.
People panicked when Lady in White was printed and that turned out ok so maybe this is not so bad.
Mana cost changes are worse than inner fire on all cards.
Also, Lady is 6 mana 5/5, this is 4 mana 5/4.
You can have only good dragons in your deck, while there are not that lot of good Lady worth white creatures