Should The Coin be a dead element?

Submitted 4 years, 8 months ago by

The coin is there to counter the disadvantage of going second. However in it's current state it is not an equalizer, but an (unfair) advantage for the player who goes second.

My proposal is to have the coin you get from going second ONLY give you one mana crystal. It shouldn't count as a spell /  card and will not work as a combo enabler.

Coins generated later in the game can work as normal.

What do you think?

 

  • agentmcr's Avatar
    495 40 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    The coin is there to counter the disadvantage of going second. However in it's current state it is not an equalizer, but an (unfair) advantage for the player who goes second.

    My proposal is to have the coin you get from going second ONLY give you one mana crystal. It shouldn't count as a spell /  card and will not work as a combo enabler.

    Coins generated later in the game can work as normal.

    What do you think?

     

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar
    Ancestral Recall 1585 2271 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    Players who go second still lose more than players that go first. 

    Even in rogue.. 

    Having 1 less mana each turn and if both play a minion at the same time, the one who gone first is able to attack first. 

     

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  • RavenSunHS's Avatar
    Refreshment Vendor 880 1487 Posts Joined 03/27/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    Just to point out that despite The Coin and the extra card, who goes second is still at disadvantage, in average (stats-wise).

    However, some decks are indeed at huge advantage having an extra free spell, namely Wild Quest Mage or Kael decks.

    All in all, I believe they prefer to keep it as it is, because otherwise average stats would be even more unfavourable against who goes 2nd.

    From my Wild point of view, having a soft nerf against Wild Quest Mage would still be risible against the other t1 (or tgod) decks of the meta.

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  • dapperdog's Avatar
    Dragon Scholar 1890 5610 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    Certain decks and class work better with the coin, some don't. Aggro decks in particular enjoy massive advantages going first.

    This have been argued for ages, but I think the last time I heard of any form of statistic from blizzard was that going first have a 1% advantage in terms of win rate. Since there's no way to balance the advantage afforded to the ones going first (minion attack initiative), I suppose its only fair that the advantages of the coin provides shouldnt be taken away neither.

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  • Avalon's Avatar
    Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    Certain decks can take advantage of going second because of tempo effects like Combo or similar.

    To be honest though, outside of these cases The Coin may even not be enough to even the scales. Sometimes going first gives you so much initiative that not even an Innervate can turn the tables.

     

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  • KANSAS's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    According to the stats on my Hearthstone Deck Tracker, I have a 56% win rate total, while going second I have a 53% win rate, and going first I have a 59% win rate. In spite of the extra card and coin, I still lose more often going second.

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  • CursedParrot's Avatar
    640 720 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    Maybe the coin should also freeze an enemy? That way it could be used to counter the attacking advantage of going first

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  • Tript's Avatar
    160 53 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    Ah finally! Nerf the coin thread on out of cards! I've waited for this sinds the beginning!

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  • MenacingBagel's Avatar
    Zombie Chow 815 723 Posts Joined 09/24/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago

    Just remove turns completely and let both players take their turns at the same time obvious solution duh.

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  • agentmcr's Avatar
    495 40 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
    Posted 4 years, 8 months ago
    Quote From Tript

    Ah finally! Nerf the coin thread on out of cards! I've waited for this sinds the beginning!

    You're welcome! :-)

    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

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