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Hmmm ... three more nerfs to mana-cheat cards.

Will Team 5 ever realize they do not have what it takes to balance this effect correctly?

Does this racing stuff foreshadow a mounted racing theme for constructed in the upcoming Hearthstone year?

The auto racing thing happened so recently ...

The female nipple taboo is a double standard, to be sure, but let's not pretend we are unaware that it exists.

But that's way too narrow a view. As I said, the majority of aggro and midrange decks that include a Demacian package run Fleetfeather Tracker and Brightsteel Protector precisely because of how powerful that pair can be in the early game. These decks rely on winning the board in the early game so that in the mid game they can finish off the opponent (with Ionian elusives, or with a buffed Pantheon, etc.). Those followers don't close out games, but they're just as instrumental in winning games because they create the space to leverage those powerful units. It's also common to splash Vanguard Sergeant to get For Demacia! and take advantage of a wide board to win.

Yes and that's exactly the issue, Demacia has lot's useful cards and they instrumental in wining but you don't have many cards that close the game and have to rely on other regions to do so. What's even worse is that these cards are better when paired with other champs/followers from other region than they are with Demacian champs followers. 

Take Fiora/Shen for example yes the deck used cards from Ionia and they were instrumental in helping you achieve victory but in the end day it was Fiora or Cithria who won you the game and it cards like those two that Demacia is lacking because when you don't close the game anything you did before will amount to nothing.

I used play lot's Jarvan/Shen and most of times I would be ahead on the board and still lose anyway because you don't have many ways to leverage your board advantage, you just attack and try to outgrind your opponent with value trading. It's like control level of slow but without those insane power turns that control has. That not something that happen with Sivir/Akshan for example, Sivir ability to share key words mean you can just give your entire board quick attack, spellshield and overwhelm with the The Absolver, so you get to both value trade and push damage.

Anyway as much as I have been enjoying this discussion, I have the feeling that we have said all that could be said on this subject ( or at very least I did) and that we are kinda just repeating ourselves at this point so this probably going to be my last post here. Plus there are other subjects that I would like to discuses.

Since diablo is out, does that mean that we get a free reset on heroic duels?

I really like the look of the free card back and I also like that the training grounds will be only 300 gold. For some reason I thought it would be 600g so I've been sitting on 600g since then, waiting.

I wish the patch was already live.

I'm assuming it will be. There's no way they somehow missed all the reports about it, seeing how it is the only achievement that doesn't currently have a workaround.

(Although they didn't mention the HOllow Abomination one either so who knows)

Sometime last week I finished the Track (Level 100) and took the Illidan portrait. I am at Level 117 now, and also looking forward to next week's mini-release.

Quote From TSkillet

 To me Sorcerer's Apprentice has always been a tool to make fun decks, and unorthodox combos work. If it caused problems it wasn't bigger than whatever the hell another class could do. 

You said it right there.  It was the catalyst for unorthodox combos to work.  For Exodia, Ignite, Firewalker, and any number of other OTK decks THIS was the one ingredient that would allow those decks to fly off the handle.  The idea that you can drop 2+ of them with clones in a turn and go off was the problem.  With The Demon Seed in wild, there was a plethora of cards to allow this to go off quickly and annihilate your opponent.  Instead of a nerf that would have killed a new card in standard, they just gut kicked it for Wild. 

Making it harder to pull of an OTK in early stages of the game is why it was targeted.  Not many players keep the apprentice on the board for more than a turn because it is a primary target. So hitting the stats made little to no sense. 

I no longer play, but the mage player in my cries a little. But was bound to happen 

I fucking called that Rapid Fire nerf on the data mined article on our site. 

oh thanks, now  I know why it looked like you guys were talking about a diferent card. XD

Sweet, ty both

Oh my god.  The duels update seems fantastic.  So many broken combos were toned down or removed completely.  This alone gives me hope!

They commented about Sorc Apprentice and Rapid Fire in the same section.

Is the no dev comment on Sorcerer's Apprentice nerf intended? Because if so that's hilarious. Devs just silently nerfed the card after it's been causing literal chaos in Wild for years. No comment needed, everyone knows whats up

BASED and apprentice-pilled

as an ignite mage rights activist im deeply hurt by this take

Hm, no specific mention of a fix for the You Are Not Worthy Paladin achievement in these patch notes. I really hope this one will be fixed in the upcoming patch or tables will get flipped, I am telling you right now.

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am  i missing something or dragon clutch give dragons +1/+1 and not overwhelm?  are you talking about a diferent card?

Out of Cards LoR card database isn't very up to date. Dragon's Clutch got buffed into grant +1/+1 and Overwhelm.

regarding the apprentice nerf, this is the precise reason why i think another eternal format would benefit the game to such a massive degree. this would give players the ability to run iconic but unfair decks like apprentice/turtle mage in wild and have a more balanced experience in the new format.

theres a huge divide between the people that love to play these decks and the people that hate to play against them and the only method i can see of pleasing both parties is a new format.

jesus fucking christ, 14 downvotes?? just for sharing my opinion that doesnt happen to align with the majority's??? i dont get it man