I've been having fun with a Bazaar Burglary deck with only 3 other rogue cards so my opponent can't actually finish the quest. The current iteration uses Tess, 1x Secret Passage to fast forward the quest completion, and Lilian Voss to turn useless totem spells into something useful.
Actual synergy with Saurfang, though. Not only Saurfang's Whirlwind to guarantee that the traps go off, but also more summoned units to proc Saurfang's berserker's ability.
I don't believe the word "exclusive" was ever used in the pre-order bundle promo. If you read that into it, you have no one to blame but yourself. If you feel shitty about your purchase, take it as a lesson to actually read the wording of offers and not to make assumptions.
Honestly I think I would consider bringing Tamsin over Sylvanas in your lineup, even if it does upset the 2/2/2 balance. You're vulnerable to Fighters, certainly, but Tamsin brings more to the table than Sylvanas does: Tamsin can block heals, summon a scaling Taunt minion, and gain Shadow Damage for boosting all of your main abilities. Combine her with Vol'jin's Shadow Weakness debuff and you can seriously shred people. Conversely, you're only playing Sylvanas because she's green: she lacks utility, provides nothing for her teammates, and her Attack-buff won't go off much - if at all - so you're down an ability. She's not playing to her strengths, whilst doing the bare minimum for the team at-large.
Discussing value is typically a petty thing to begn with
Welp, you started it to be fair. How's that saying go...? Was it 'reap what you sow'? Or perhaps 'you made your bed, now lay in it'? In either case you started this little "petty" debate.
especially when you consider everyone who bothered enough to reply to my comment values these portraits enough to bother to reply to my comment.
Ah yes. "If you don't agree with my opinion, don't bother replying. If you did reply, your inherent reply indicates that you agree with me on some level. So I'm right no matter what choice you make!" - Huntard as his best Vizzini impression
Besides I have already stated why I value the exclusivity of this portait; because it is a pre-order bonus. By principle it should be exclusive. I am not upset that others can obtain it (as I have also already said), I am upset that Blizz is selling them.
No, your *expectation* was that being a pre-order bonus made it exclusive. The reality is: who cares if a 3 year old expansion's portrait is finally available? You ARE upset at the fact others can obtain it (otherwise we wouldn't be having this argument). You just think that by stating "I'm upset at Blizzard, not you guys!" you can cast your position in a different light that makes you look more favorable.
Also, who is to say someone didn't work hard to obtain the portrait? I belive the federal minimum wage for these portraits was only 7.50 when they were released. Things cost more or less for people of different circumstances (though that is a different argument altogether).
We aren't talking about wages in this thread. I'm pretty sure there are other places on the internet to either brag about your wage or state "woe is me" about your wage (depending on your situation) than a Hearthstone forum. But since you brought it up: It doesn't matter. Everyone here who maybe bought the portrait. Spent time buying that portrait, outside of the game. How you earned that money is your business and NO ONE here cares how you earned your money to buy the portrait. Thus you can't use the leverage that "I worked hard to make 8.50 an hour to buy that portrait!"
Honestly this entire argument is ridiculous and the fact that you have to keep replying "to be right" is hilarious at best, and sad at worst.
Gotta say, this one is pretty fun. Made a Silver Hand pally deck with the questline thinking I'd screw over all non-Paladin opponents.
First game, Odd Questline Hunter. My deck was only 1 drops so both of us got his Baku activation and suddenly it was Odd Pally with mostly useless questline vs an Odd Hunter with a bunch of 1 cost Paladin spells that don't do damage. Opponent didn't know you can't have two Quests active at once, so he played my Quest first and screwed himself over throwing away most of his damage spells, while I completed both my Questline and his Questline, giving me a "0 mana summon two 3/3s" hero power that refreshes.
I never actually thought or meant to suggest you were upset about other players getting their hands on the portraits, but obviously I failed to present my arguments in a way to make that clear. That is definitely on me.
I do think that the heart of this is the philosophy of keeping or breaking promises and expectations, and how important that is to different people. If something is stated as an actual promise, then I expect whoever made it to keep their word until the end of time or they request permission to break it. (Extreme circumstances like being held at gunpoint would also be fine.)
If the expectation is built off of precedent rather than formal confirmation, however, then I have no problems with changes if they are for good reasons. I believe this is where Blizz stands with the portraits, although if you have any quotes saying otherwise, probably surrounding Mecha-J since he was the first pre-order portrait, then I'm willing to reassess it.
As the years go on I've found it harder and harder to find a constructed deck that really calls out to me. One where you get obsessed with matchups and enjoy looking the list over and trying to sub in different cards.
Unfortunately it gets tiring to see same decks being played almost robotically where there is so little to no creativity open in them. Efficiency has taken the wheel from Interesting. Compare Jace Darkweaver to Shudderwock for example. One clearly invites more wonder into the game than the other.
I would really love if they targeted cards that are fan favorites in Wild and rly try to give them some help so they can actually be enjoyed.
I still think you missed the point I orginally made; I feel shitty having bought the 80 dollar bundle for the skin when I could have only spent 15 bucks. I never stated that I was upset that others could buy the skin, the other guy said I was upset by it. I think it is great people who wanted them have the option. I simply stated the only value they had to me were their exclusiveness, which was indeed lost. I cannot be bothered to come up with a reason against how a loss of exclusivity other than a very feels based one, which is that it makes me feel like a chump (maybe you are right and I should try to look positively at it???).
I actually did not know Mecha-J was sold recently, and to be honest it does kinda sting. I felt pretty cool knowing I was one of the few people to have them. You are right about how this situation only leads to a loss of faith in Blizz which was the intent of my original and somewhat untelling post.
Through the lens of someone who saved up exclusively for the skin, the knowledge of them being available for a cheaper price would make them happy. You are correct in saying it doesn't actually help my argument, in retrospect.
At the end of the day, it is dissatifying to spend 80 dollars on something you could have gotten for 15.
Value is entirely subjective. A 1st edition, mint condition, classic set Charizard card would be worth no more than a couple of pounds to me if I had no plans to sell it, because I have very limited use for it. I'd happily spend more for some random Regi card, because I actually care about those a bit. This scenario is comparable to HS portraits: I am willing to spend money on some of them, but only those I expect to use.
However, there is a supply and demand complication for physical cards, which is where their value comes from in practice. It's the dumb, irrational part of capitalism, but hey, if people are happy to spend thousands on pieces of cardboard then who am I to stop them? That whole story is completely removed from HS portraits. They do not reside in the same world of economics, which is why comparing the two is unhelpful.
What you have failed to convince me of is why them being pre-order bonuses means it is a bad thing for them to reappear. They were exclusive for 2-3 years, and there doesn't seem to be an argument that the loss/reduction of exclusivity has any real downsides. At most, I can see a loss of faith in Blizzard's word, but that should surely have already been eroded by card backs reappearing, not to mention Mecha-Jaraxxus doing the same recently. Really though, people and companies should change their minds if it leads to a net positive, and minor as this portrait matter is, I do see it as a net positive.
As for the working hard in the real world to pay for the bundles, I accept that is a valid interpretation. I'm not sure it is helping your argument much though. I imagine the people who had to save up for the big pre-order bundle to obtain the portraits would be happy to hear future ones will eventually be made available at a much more affordable price.
The problem with that argument is that there is no inherit value in a lot of the things we enjoy; collectible cards, expensive shoes, and autographs are things with no inherit value that have value. This is why one piece of cardboard with ink resembling a pokemon is worth more than another piece of cardboard with ink resembling a pokemon. Discussing value is typically a petty thing to begn with, especially when you consider everyone who bothered enough to reply to my comment values these portraits enough to bother to reply to my comment. Besides I have already stated why I value the exclusivity of this portait; because it is a pre-order bonus. By principle it should be exclusive. I am not upset that others can obtain it (as I have also already said), I am upset that Blizz is selling them.
Also, who is to say someone didn't work hard to obtain the portrait? I belive the federal minimum wage for these portraits was only 7.50 when they were released. Things cost more or less for people of different circumstances (though that is a different argument altogether).
There is a vast gap between exclusive physical collectibles, whose value for being re-sold is largely tied up in that exclusivity, and hero portraits in HS which cannot be resold. Exclusive or not, HS skins have no inherent value beyond whatever use you manage to get out of them yourself. So if they lose their exclusivity, absolutely nothing tangible changes on your end.
Maybe if you had to work really hard to obtain them, then there is some merit to their exclusivity because they would be indications of your ability. HS has a few card backs like that, but it's just not true with these hero portraits; all they say is you had the money to spend on them when they first appeared.
So if they have no resale value, and they don't carry any prestige due to the difficulty of earning them, then what exactly is there to be upset about with them reappearing? If you don't have a good answer for that, then I can only advise you learn to be happy with this sort of thing. It will make absolutely no difference, except you are happier, which is a good thing.
cariel/Vol’Jin/Sylvanas and tlk/natalie Séline/ Tirion on the bench. Not sure Tamsin make the cut.
cariel for the early taunt, Vol’Jin and Sylvanas for the shadow damage, would snipe any team Caster except Guff I guess. Out of the bench Natalie Seline for more burst or Lich king if Cariel die. Tirion if heavy Casters
I’ll just drop another one into the hat, but does anyone actually remember this guy is in the current core set? Sadly he’s way too slow to see play nowadays, but I’m very sure everyone remembers him
Yep, I'm pretty sure a lot of people forgot this card existed. Never seen her played, so I don't even know what her voice line is.
Its the anacondra + celestial alignment before they existed. Pretty key card in maly druid, just discount this and turbo through your deck and kill with malygos the next turn.
Sad that when malygos got rotated, this card pretty much lost every niche it ever had in standard.
Illidan the Inspired
you can 2 golden and 2 regular
Lets play a game - Non-existing cards
Poor guy
Legends of Runeterra Masters Europe - Chronicles of Bandlewood Continues
Seeing deck like turbo thralls having 100% win rate really make wish that the ladder followed tournament format.
Half and Half
I've been having fun with a Bazaar Burglary deck with only 3 other rogue cards so my opponent can't actually finish the quest. The current iteration uses Tess, 1x Secret Passage to fast forward the quest completion, and Lilian Voss to turn useless totem spells into something useful.
Half and Half
So 1/3 of your deck is 0 mana draw 2? That's insane lol
Tavish Stormpike
Actual synergy with Saurfang, though. Not only Saurfang's Whirlwind to guarantee that the traps go off, but also more summoned units to proc Saurfang's berserker's ability.
Diablo
Black Soulstone seems really bad compared to the other equipment. Am I missing something?
Rastakhan's Rumble and Saviors of Uldum Pre-Order Hero Skins Have Returned - Buy King Rastakhan and Elise Starseeker
I don't believe the word "exclusive" was ever used in the pre-order bundle promo. If you read that into it, you have no one to blame but yourself. If you feel shitty about your purchase, take it as a lesson to actually read the wording of offers and not to make assumptions.
Lets play a game - Non-existing cards
Half and Half
Finally a reason to bring back Tess Greymane
Mercs’ launch: who are you going to level up first?
Honestly I think I would consider bringing Tamsin over Sylvanas in your lineup, even if it does upset the 2/2/2 balance. You're vulnerable to Fighters, certainly, but Tamsin brings more to the table than Sylvanas does: Tamsin can block heals, summon a scaling Taunt minion, and gain Shadow Damage for boosting all of your main abilities. Combine her with Vol'jin's Shadow Weakness debuff and you can seriously shred people. Conversely, you're only playing Sylvanas because she's green: she lacks utility, provides nothing for her teammates, and her Attack-buff won't go off much - if at all - so you're down an ability. She's not playing to her strengths, whilst doing the bare minimum for the team at-large.
Rastakhan's Rumble and Saviors of Uldum Pre-Order Hero Skins Have Returned - Buy King Rastakhan and Elise Starseeker
Welp, you started it to be fair. How's that saying go...? Was it 'reap what you sow'? Or perhaps 'you made your bed, now lay in it'? In either case you started this little "petty" debate.
Ah yes. "If you don't agree with my opinion, don't bother replying. If you did reply, your inherent reply indicates that you agree with me on some level. So I'm right no matter what choice you make!" - Huntard as his best Vizzini impression
No, your *expectation* was that being a pre-order bonus made it exclusive. The reality is: who cares if a 3 year old expansion's portrait is finally available? You ARE upset at the fact others can obtain it (otherwise we wouldn't be having this argument). You just think that by stating "I'm upset at Blizzard, not you guys!" you can cast your position in a different light that makes you look more favorable.
We aren't talking about wages in this thread. I'm pretty sure there are other places on the internet to either brag about your wage or state "woe is me" about your wage (depending on your situation) than a Hearthstone forum. But since you brought it up: It doesn't matter. Everyone here who maybe bought the portrait. Spent time buying that portrait, outside of the game. How you earned that money is your business and NO ONE here cares how you earned your money to buy the portrait. Thus you can't use the leverage that "I worked hard to make 8.50 an hour to buy that portrait!"
Honestly this entire argument is ridiculous and the fact that you have to keep replying "to be right" is hilarious at best, and sad at worst.
Half and Half
Gotta say, this one is pretty fun. Made a Silver Hand pally deck with the questline thinking I'd screw over all non-Paladin opponents.
First game, Odd Questline Hunter. My deck was only 1 drops so both of us got his Baku activation and suddenly it was Odd Pally with mostly useless questline vs an Odd Hunter with a bunch of 1 cost Paladin spells that don't do damage. Opponent didn't know you can't have two Quests active at once, so he played my Quest first and screwed himself over throwing away most of his damage spells, while I completed both my Questline and his Questline, giving me a "0 mana summon two 3/3s" hero power that refreshes.
Rastakhan's Rumble and Saviors of Uldum Pre-Order Hero Skins Have Returned - Buy King Rastakhan and Elise Starseeker
I never actually thought or meant to suggest you were upset about other players getting their hands on the portraits, but obviously I failed to present my arguments in a way to make that clear. That is definitely on me.
I do think that the heart of this is the philosophy of keeping or breaking promises and expectations, and how important that is to different people. If something is stated as an actual promise, then I expect whoever made it to keep their word until the end of time or they request permission to break it. (Extreme circumstances like being held at gunpoint would also be fine.)
If the expectation is built off of precedent rather than formal confirmation, however, then I have no problems with changes if they are for good reasons. I believe this is where Blizz stands with the portraits, although if you have any quotes saying otherwise, probably surrounding Mecha-J since he was the first pre-order portrait, then I'm willing to reassess it.
Are you enjoying HS now?
As the years go on I've found it harder and harder to find a constructed deck that really calls out to me. One where you get obsessed with matchups and enjoy looking the list over and trying to sub in different cards.
Unfortunately it gets tiring to see same decks being played almost robotically where there is so little to no creativity open in them. Efficiency has taken the wheel from Interesting. Compare Jace Darkweaver to Shudderwock for example. One clearly invites more wonder into the game than the other.
I would really love if they targeted cards that are fan favorites in Wild and rly try to give them some help so they can actually be enjoyed.
Lets play a game - Non-existing cards
Literally noone is running this card in their package (deck)
Rastakhan's Rumble and Saviors of Uldum Pre-Order Hero Skins Have Returned - Buy King Rastakhan and Elise Starseeker
I still think you missed the point I orginally made; I feel shitty having bought the 80 dollar bundle for the skin when I could have only spent 15 bucks. I never stated that I was upset that others could buy the skin, the other guy said I was upset by it. I think it is great people who wanted them have the option. I simply stated the only value they had to me were their exclusiveness, which was indeed lost. I cannot be bothered to come up with a reason against how a loss of exclusivity other than a very feels based one, which is that it makes me feel like a chump (maybe you are right and I should try to look positively at it???).
I actually did not know Mecha-J was sold recently, and to be honest it does kinda sting. I felt pretty cool knowing I was one of the few people to have them. You are right about how this situation only leads to a loss of faith in Blizz which was the intent of my original and somewhat untelling post.
Through the lens of someone who saved up exclusively for the skin, the knowledge of them being available for a cheaper price would make them happy. You are correct in saying it doesn't actually help my argument, in retrospect.
At the end of the day, it is dissatifying to spend 80 dollars on something you could have gotten for 15.
Rastakhan's Rumble and Saviors of Uldum Pre-Order Hero Skins Have Returned - Buy King Rastakhan and Elise Starseeker
Value is entirely subjective. A 1st edition, mint condition, classic set Charizard card would be worth no more than a couple of pounds to me if I had no plans to sell it, because I have very limited use for it. I'd happily spend more for some random Regi card, because I actually care about those a bit. This scenario is comparable to HS portraits: I am willing to spend money on some of them, but only those I expect to use.
However, there is a supply and demand complication for physical cards, which is where their value comes from in practice. It's the dumb, irrational part of capitalism, but hey, if people are happy to spend thousands on pieces of cardboard then who am I to stop them? That whole story is completely removed from HS portraits. They do not reside in the same world of economics, which is why comparing the two is unhelpful.
What you have failed to convince me of is why them being pre-order bonuses means it is a bad thing for them to reappear. They were exclusive for 2-3 years, and there doesn't seem to be an argument that the loss/reduction of exclusivity has any real downsides. At most, I can see a loss of faith in Blizzard's word, but that should surely have already been eroded by card backs reappearing, not to mention Mecha-Jaraxxus doing the same recently. Really though, people and companies should change their minds if it leads to a net positive, and minor as this portrait matter is, I do see it as a net positive.
As for the working hard in the real world to pay for the bundles, I accept that is a valid interpretation. I'm not sure it is helping your argument much though. I imagine the people who had to save up for the big pre-order bundle to obtain the portraits would be happy to hear future ones will eventually be made available at a much more affordable price.
Rastakhan's Rumble and Saviors of Uldum Pre-Order Hero Skins Have Returned - Buy King Rastakhan and Elise Starseeker
The problem with that argument is that there is no inherit value in a lot of the things we enjoy; collectible cards, expensive shoes, and autographs are things with no inherit value that have value. This is why one piece of cardboard with ink resembling a pokemon is worth more than another piece of cardboard with ink resembling a pokemon. Discussing value is typically a petty thing to begn with, especially when you consider everyone who bothered enough to reply to my comment values these portraits enough to bother to reply to my comment. Besides I have already stated why I value the exclusivity of this portait; because it is a pre-order bonus. By principle it should be exclusive. I am not upset that others can obtain it (as I have also already said), I am upset that Blizz is selling them.
Also, who is to say someone didn't work hard to obtain the portrait? I belive the federal minimum wage for these portraits was only 7.50 when they were released. Things cost more or less for people of different circumstances (though that is a different argument altogether).
Rastakhan's Rumble and Saviors of Uldum Pre-Order Hero Skins Have Returned - Buy King Rastakhan and Elise Starseeker
There is a vast gap between exclusive physical collectibles, whose value for being re-sold is largely tied up in that exclusivity, and hero portraits in HS which cannot be resold. Exclusive or not, HS skins have no inherent value beyond whatever use you manage to get out of them yourself. So if they lose their exclusivity, absolutely nothing tangible changes on your end.
Maybe if you had to work really hard to obtain them, then there is some merit to their exclusivity because they would be indications of your ability. HS has a few card backs like that, but it's just not true with these hero portraits; all they say is you had the money to spend on them when they first appeared.
So if they have no resale value, and they don't carry any prestige due to the difficulty of earning them, then what exactly is there to be upset about with them reappearing? If you don't have a good answer for that, then I can only advise you learn to be happy with this sort of thing. It will make absolutely no difference, except you are happier, which is a good thing.
[Game] Card Treasure Hunt (Hearthstone Riddles)
Oh wow, the game finally died?
Mercs’ launch: who are you going to level up first?
As shadow team, I’m looking forward this line up:
cariel/Vol’Jin/Sylvanas and tlk/natalie Séline/ Tirion on the bench. Not sure Tamsin make the cut.
cariel for the early taunt, Vol’Jin and Sylvanas for the shadow damage, would snipe any team Caster except Guff I guess. Out of the bench Natalie Seline for more burst or Lich king if Cariel die. Tirion if heavy Casters
The nature comp’ fat thrall
You mean guff/Brightwing/Bru’kan as a starter or Guff/Brightwing/ Thrall
Lets play a game - Non-existing cards
I’ll just drop another one into the hat, but does anyone actually remember this guy is in the current core set? Sadly he’s way too slow to see play nowadays, but I’m very sure everyone remembers him
Lets play a game - Non-existing cards
Its the anacondra + celestial alignment before they existed. Pretty key card in maly druid, just discount this and turbo through your deck and kill with malygos the next turn.
Sad that when malygos got rotated, this card pretty much lost every niche it ever had in standard.