That's a real cool feature, thanks a lot! Also for letting us know your thought process. The customer service on this page is insane. As a certified quality manager, that warms my heart.
I did say when we launched I always wanted my transparency with stuff =D
My only regret is that we don't talk more about upcoming stuff. Sometimes stuff just isn't worth talking about if its too far out because it would let competitors know what we're thinking. I'd rather anyone that wanted to lift features from here instead have to be reactionary. Though, no one has made an attempt at that yet over the past year so that's funny :P
What a coincidence that the quest shaman built I had is very similar to his. I personally found Questing Explorer just too unreliable, especially in the late game. Cult Neophyte and Devolving Missiles are better tech cards. That heal option is interesting though.
For anyone curious, this is not a value deck. Its burn. Focus on your opponent's face is the real play.
The thing is.. If they increase the overall reward of playing.. What's the point of arena? It stays the same.
When you ask for something you always have to ask for more than it is doable.. But I insist a guranteed epic at 7 wins would totally make me to play the mode.
And I really think an arena ticket as a quest reward is a great way to make players play arena more (a rare quest of course)..
To be honest, arena rewards are currently still okay, assuming you'd put the work in. Like yourself, I've grinded arena in my early days cause' I have literally no cards or dust to build even a decent aggro deck to go into ranked (I got my first month-end card back around 8 months from my start date. To put things in perspective, all you needed to do then was to reach rank 25).
A simplification of the details; you pay 150 gold, and you get 1 pack no matter what + a random reward of either dust or gold. The rewards scale with the number of wins, and the common ideal is to reach 7 wins, whereupon you get your gold back guaranteed. But this is only half the picture. To get the ticket's worth in gold, the actual number of wins required is 2 (for a chance of 40-50 gold) to 4 (where you are guaranteed 50 gold).
So all that is required to basically get 50 gold + a pack is actually 2-4 wins, very achievable. 3 wins is basically a gold standard in many cases. I won't discuss any higher than that, since most players don't get past 3 wins anyway.
But to go back to your proposal, its just broken. 50 gold to start, and only 1 win is all that is required to get value, 3 wins to get your gold back AND a pack. Let's be honest. If this was the structure back then I would be swimming in gold right now. Arena is grindy, and it should be grindy because the rewards it gives out for those who grind it is always better than it would be if you were grinding up gold via quests.
I left arena once I had a few decks to play with and never looked back. The reason is simple. Arena is only fun for only a small portion of players (and I mean really small). The vast majority of us (who play it at all) grind it for gold. If the idea is to make arena fun, its simple enough to remove all the rewards and allow players to go for it without charge. Hell, I'd play arena every now and then if I can go for it without charge, even without the rewards.
it only pays for itself at 1 win, that's of course if 1 win in constructed is also worth more than 3.33 gold(the current system).. here it's worth 20 gold but you put 50 gold, so the 1 win is fair.. the earlier tiers were more carefully placed in this suggestion, I actually thought about them being fair.
3 wins = higher than 50% win rate already that's where your deck is "Good" kind of the pack + fee is a reward that has value but.. it doesn't feel great at 7 wins which is actually an insane win rate and at least 40 minutes into a run……. if not a hour.. I find arena interesting but requires too much time and grinding for while the rewards are good compared to the entry fee, they are not exciting… at all..
1. Add guaranteed epics to the end
2.make the arena grind for max reward shorter
3. make the arena entry fee more affordable.
of course the arena rewards can increase that way cause the whole economic system is increasing!
also do note that on 6 wins for example you are missing on 20 gold from the 3 wins thing which is also really really grindy..
I think people who grind need to be rewarded more.. that's the point.. and of course as a player I want bigger rewards but something in the middle will be also much better but having a mode for 6 years while having the same rewards.. it's just not scalable.
Arena is supposed to be grindy because its the main method for anyone to get a decent amount of gold off this game, aside from your daily quests. I think getting your money's worth in 2-4 wins is a decent enough compromise.
I absolutely believe, as you do, that grind should be provided with comparable rewards. But this should come with a certain balance, with pros for both consumer and producer. Your reward tier is simply too generous, at least on the gold front.
I would advocate letting the gold/dust rewards stay as it is, but improve the other rewards, like granting guaranteed extra packs for higher milestones. Maybe also remove the useless rewards too like getting random bs cards.
Also, a short comment on your statement "cause' the whole economic system is increasing". It hasn't. Packs still cost 100 gold, dust value is still at 4x the card's worth, and a decent player can expect at least 8k gold per expansion. Unless the battlepass system causes this to crumble, I just can't agree with you on this.
As expected, I don't play any of these decks, despite having most of the legendaries, and if I only went back and started disenchanting past legendaries starting with Naxxramas I'd probably have them all before I was even done with TGT. If you'd call me a hoarder you;d be on the spot, as I never even play wild.
Despite all these except hunter featured heavily in GM, you can have playable, competitive ladder decks like Paladin (a class that haven't seen actual play for the past few years- and no, Shirvallah OTK doesn't count) for half the dust.
In my only case of Legend climb attempt (few minutes ago), it was in Wild, which is possibly easier.
But I made it by taking a deck that proved strong to me (Discolock) and tuned it against the meta I was expecting and actually encountering: in Wild it was full of board&weapon Aggro, so I went for Freeze package (3 cards, not just 1), and it worked really well.
So maybe trying to tech against the meta may help. I don't know how to counter Standard higher meta, or if it is possible at all, but the principle should be of some help.
PS: and yes, as og0 suggested, you need the right state of mind: get rid of expectations, you already reached a great result. Anything that comes now from D4 and on should be taken as a gift. Just play at your best and try to laugh at your bad luck when it happens. Legend rank is a side effect.
Trying to counter the meta you find? Admirable, but mistaken.
Each time i do that, like either changing decks or tech some cards in like silence or oozes, those opponents are gone and only appear like 2 times out of 20 when before it was like 8 or more times.
I hear ppl saying this ALL THE TIME, and it really triggers me cause it just feels like they are playing a different game than me. Like for real give me your account so that i can play against the decks that im ready to face.
Like all those streamers and their youtube videos like "pick this deck and farm the X deck" and im like "bro each time i do that those decks become a rarity to face". Like for real whats the secret behind tech or deck countering and actually facing them? cause i dont know what it is.
This is my experience every.. damn.. time...
I'll be playing and running into Pirate warrior every other game (wild) so I tech in a couple of Golakka Crawler. Lo and behold I never see another pirate warrior again. That's just an example, if I never want to see a secret mage ever again I just tech in a Eater of Secrets, that's me never playing Secret mage ever again until the very next game after I take them out!
The current work around would be to choose the HS portal before clicking "Recent Threads". Browsing the Forum, use the "go back" function of your browser, don't click the OOC banner at the top.
I already tried this. When clicking from the HS portal, it am still redirected here which shows runterra posts.
To be honest, arena rewards are currently still okay, assuming you'd put the work in. Like yourself, I've grinded arena in my early days cause' I have literally no cards or dust to build even a decent aggro deck to go into ranked (I got my first month-end card back around 8 months from my start date. To put things in perspective, all you needed to do then was to reach rank 25).
A simplification of the details; you pay 150 gold, and you get 1 pack no matter what + a random reward of either dust or gold. The rewards scale with the number of wins, and the common ideal is to reach 7 wins, whereupon you get your gold back guaranteed. But this is only half the picture. To get the ticket's worth in gold, the actual number of wins required is 2 (for a chance of 40-50 gold) to 4 (where you are guaranteed 50 gold).
So all that is required to basically get 50 gold + a pack is actually 2-4 wins, very achievable. 3 wins is basically a gold standard in many cases. I won't discuss any higher than that, since most players don't get past 3 wins anyway.
But to go back to your proposal, its just broken. 50 gold to start, and only 1 win is all that is required to get value, 3 wins to get your gold back AND a pack. Let's be honest. If this was the structure back then I would be swimming in gold right now. Arena is grindy, and it should be grindy because the rewards it gives out for those who grind it is always better than it would be if you were grinding up gold via quests.
I left arena once I had a few decks to play with and never looked back. The reason is simple. Arena is only fun for only a small portion of players (and I mean really small). The vast majority of us (who play it at all) grind it for gold. If the idea is to make arena fun, its simple enough to remove all the rewards and allow players to go for it without charge. Hell, I'd play arena every now and then if I can go for it without charge, even without the rewards.
it only pays for itself at 1 win, that's of course if 1 win in constructed is also worth more than 3.33 gold(the current system).. here it's worth 20 gold but you put 50 gold, so the 1 win is fair.. the earlier tiers were more carefully placed in this suggestion, I actually thought about them being fair.
3 wins = higher than 50% win rate already that's where your deck is "Good" kind of the pack + fee is a reward that has value but.. it doesn't feel great at 7 wins which is actually an insane win rate and at least 40 minutes into a run....... if not a hour.. I find arena interesting but requires too much time and grinding for while the rewards are good compared to the entry fee, they are not exciting... at all..
1. Add guaranteed epics to the end
2.make the arena grind for max reward shorter
3. make the arena entry fee more affordable.
of course the arena rewards can increase that way cause the whole economic system is increasing!
also do note that on 6 wins for example you are missing on 20 gold from the 3 wins thing which is also really really grindy..
I think people who grind need to be rewarded more.. that's the point.. and of course as a player I want bigger rewards but something in the middle will be also much better but having a mode for 6 years while having the same rewards.. it's just not scalable.
Thanks mate! I haven't tried pushing for legend again, yesterday I reached D6 and I don't think I have the time to push this season, we will see. Good luck to anybody pushing for first time legend!
That's the main reason why I asked to be able to choose a portal permanently here. The current work around would be to choose the HS portal before clicking "Recent Threads". Browsing the Forum, use the "go back" function of your browser, don't click the OOC banner at the top.
That's a real cool feature, thanks a lot! Also for letting us know your thought process. The customer service on this page is insane. As a certified quality manager, that warms my heart.
The Battle Pass is being introduced to make money, make no bones about it. The explanation following the news of the BS was not good and so they have come out with this. The BS may help but some part of the community will be upset and will see a down size of the player base. What is being taken away is choice about how you spend your gold now. The battle pass takes that away in its present format.
New to Runeterra! Been playing on and off a few weeks, loving the game and likely moving from Hearthstone to it. Would be great to have some friends to chat about the game with, especially with the new expansion coming.
For my own experience, You don't have to move completely for being able to play runeterra compettitively. I'm now a casual Hearthstone (Just doing daily quests per 3 days and maybe some meme games after that, sometimes playing arena because there is no real draft in Runeterra right now) and competitive Runeterra (doing dailies, trying to get all bonus experiences, trying to climb ladder etc.) player and my time mostly enough for both and I'm not even spend all of my free time to these 2 games and playing other games aswell. But yeah, consider it i'm a first preview player of Runeterra and completed all sets also My call of the mountain set will be completed in first day of the expansion thanks to my shards and wildcards. Never spend any real money to Runeterra tho. So you don't need to left Hearthstone completely.
Just some advices which comes from my experiences. :)
and unfortunately, I'm an EU player and there's no meaning to add you right now. When cross shards duels have come after 3 weeks (according to this article) I'll add you.
Warn me here for its viability but I feel like he is the ultimate meme source for me after Purrsuit of Perfection with Karma/Heimerdinger. It porbably passed it and will be on 1st place. :)
TARIC-LULU ELUSIVE SUPPORT
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TARIC-LULU ELUSIVE SUPPORT
instead of zenit blade, it would´t be better use Pale Cascade, it gives you +2/+1 for the round, it´s a burst spell and you can draw a card with it.
Out of Cards Changelog - 2020-08-24
I did say when we launched I always wanted my transparency with stuff =D
My only regret is that we don't talk more about upcoming stuff. Sometimes stuff just isn't worth talking about if its too far out because it would let competitors know what we're thinking. I'd rather anyone that wanted to lift features from here instead have to be reactionary. Though, no one has made an attempt at that yet over the past year so that's funny :P
I didn't say stuff enough, so, stuff.
Firebat's Decks of the Week - A Pro Level Deck for Every Hearthstone Class That Isn't Paladin
I have a golden Glide I'd love to disenchant for full value.
I still think the card is broken on paper, it's just that no DH with the card seems to show signs of being OP enough to trigger the nerf...
Firebat's Decks of the Week - A Pro Level Deck for Every Hearthstone Class That Isn't Paladin
What a coincidence that the quest shaman built I had is very similar to his. I personally found Questing Explorer just too unreliable, especially in the late game. Cult Neophyte and Devolving Missiles are better tech cards. That heal option is interesting though.
For anyone curious, this is not a value deck. Its burn. Focus on your opponent's face is the real play.
Short on Dust? Not Here! 4 Wallet Destroying Decks to Start the Week
But i loved shirvallah otk was jamming it until April
Nightfall Bilgewater
Was trying to create a nightfall deck that used the warning shots and rex from bilgewater, and came up with this, what do you guys think?
Arena rewards need to change
Arena Awards are fine: if you just get back 50 gold you broke even. All that takes is 3 wins usually.
Arena rewards need to change
The thing is.. If they increase the overall reward of playing.. What's the point of arena? It stays the same.
When you ask for something you always have to ask for more than it is doable.. But I insist a guranteed epic at 7 wins would totally make me to play the mode.
And I really think an arena ticket as a quest reward is a great way to make players play arena more (a rare quest of course)..
Arena rewards need to change
Arena is supposed to be grindy because its the main method for anyone to get a decent amount of gold off this game, aside from your daily quests. I think getting your money's worth in 2-4 wins is a decent enough compromise.
I absolutely believe, as you do, that grind should be provided with comparable rewards. But this should come with a certain balance, with pros for both consumer and producer. Your reward tier is simply too generous, at least on the gold front.
I would advocate letting the gold/dust rewards stay as it is, but improve the other rewards, like granting guaranteed extra packs for higher milestones. Maybe also remove the useless rewards too like getting random bs cards.
Also, a short comment on your statement "cause' the whole economic system is increasing". It hasn't. Packs still cost 100 gold, dust value is still at 4x the card's worth, and a decent player can expect at least 8k gold per expansion. Unless the battlepass system causes this to crumble, I just can't agree with you on this.
Short on Dust? Not Here! 4 Wallet Destroying Decks to Start the Week
As expected, I don't play any of these decks, despite having most of the legendaries, and if I only went back and started disenchanting past legendaries starting with Naxxramas I'd probably have them all before I was even done with TGT. If you'd call me a hoarder you;d be on the spot, as I never even play wild.
Despite all these except hunter featured heavily in GM, you can have playable, competitive ladder decks like Paladin (a class that haven't seen actual play for the past few years- and no, Shirvallah OTK doesn't count) for half the dust.
Stuck at Diamond 5. Like, really stuck.
This is my experience every.. damn.. time...
I'll be playing and running into Pirate warrior every other game (wild) so I tech in a couple of Golakka Crawler. Lo and behold I never see another pirate warrior again. That's just an example, if I never want to see a secret mage ever again I just tech in a Eater of Secrets, that's me never playing Secret mage ever again until the very next game after I take them out!
Is there a way to filter Recent Threads by Game?
I already tried this. When clicking from the HS portal, it am still redirected here which shows runterra posts.
Arena rewards need to change
it only pays for itself at 1 win, that's of course if 1 win in constructed is also worth more than 3.33 gold(the current system).. here it's worth 20 gold but you put 50 gold, so the 1 win is fair.. the earlier tiers were more carefully placed in this suggestion, I actually thought about them being fair.
3 wins = higher than 50% win rate already that's where your deck is "Good" kind of the pack + fee is a reward that has value but.. it doesn't feel great at 7 wins which is actually an insane win rate and at least 40 minutes into a run....... if not a hour.. I find arena interesting but requires too much time and grinding for while the rewards are good compared to the entry fee, they are not exciting... at all..
1. Add guaranteed epics to the end
2.make the arena grind for max reward shorter
3. make the arena entry fee more affordable.
of course the arena rewards can increase that way cause the whole economic system is increasing!
also do note that on 6 wins for example you are missing on 20 gold from the 3 wins thing which is also really really grindy..
I think people who grind need to be rewarded more.. that's the point.. and of course as a player I want bigger rewards but something in the middle will be also much better but having a mode for 6 years while having the same rewards.. it's just not scalable.
Stuck at Diamond 5. Like, really stuck.
Thanks mate! I haven't tried pushing for legend again, yesterday I reached D6 and I don't think I have the time to push this season, we will see. Good luck to anybody pushing for first time legend!
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I know but if your plan is to rush down your opponent its not the worst 1 drop.
Is there a way to filter Recent Threads by Game?
That's the main reason why I asked to be able to choose a portal permanently here. The current work around would be to choose the HS portal before clicking "Recent Threads". Browsing the Forum, use the "go back" function of your browser, don't click the OOC banner at the top.
Out of Cards Changelog - 2020-08-24
That's a real cool feature, thanks a lot! Also for letting us know your thought process. The customer service on this page is insane. As a certified quality manager, that warms my heart.
Hearthstone's Battle Pass Should be More Rewarding Than Progression Today
The Battle Pass is being introduced to make money, make no bones about it. The explanation following the news of the BS was not good and so they have come out with this. The BS may help but some part of the community will be upset and will see a down size of the player base. What is being taken away is choice about how you spend your gold now. The battle pass takes that away in its present format.
[D5 - Legend] Broom Paladin!
Interesting take especially with the exclusion of Libram of Wisdom.
Too slow or takes too much hand space?
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For my own experience, You don't have to move completely for being able to play runeterra compettitively. I'm now a casual Hearthstone (Just doing daily quests per 3 days and maybe some meme games after that, sometimes playing arena because there is no real draft in Runeterra right now) and competitive Runeterra (doing dailies, trying to get all bonus experiences, trying to climb ladder etc.) player and my time mostly enough for both and I'm not even spend all of my free time to these 2 games and playing other games aswell. But yeah, consider it i'm a first preview player of Runeterra and completed all sets also My call of the mountain set will be completed in first day of the expansion thanks to my shards and wildcards. Never spend any real money to Runeterra tho. So you don't need to left Hearthstone completely.
Just some advices which comes from my experiences. :)
and unfortunately, I'm an EU player and there's no meaning to add you right now. When cross shards duels have come after 3 weeks (according to this article) I'll add you.
Aurelion Sol is the Newest Legends of Runeterra Targon Champion Coming in Call of the Mountain (6 New Cards Revealed!)
Warn me here for its viability but I feel like he is the ultimate meme source for me after Purrsuit of Perfection with Karma/Heimerdinger. It porbably passed it and will be on 1st place. :)
Cross-Shard Friend Challenges Are Not Arriving in Call of the Mountain
What are the cross shared friend challenges?
Please leave a deck-tuning suggestion/improvement idea for me. I am still a new player.
Is there a way to filter Recent Threads by Game?
Hi,
Is there a way to filter Recent Threads by Game?
For example, for me, I only play hearthstone, but when I click recent threads, I see all the threads from the other games like Runeterra.