So we have to sit here nice and tight for another 2 weeks? At least tease us with something. I was looking forward to seeing the first six cards of the new expansion, then wait two weeks for the rest of them to start trickling in.
Mostly agree. I haven't played a ton of BG overall, but I've had quite a bit of fun the last couple days trying out the dragons.
-Razorgore seems a really good. I saw someone get a couple of him down early, and they got HUGE. With Amalgams gone, poison is harder to find, so that matters.
-I've played as Galakrond, and he was good. I didn't do too well, but I don't want to blame him for that. Using his HP to angle for specific minions seems like it has potential, but I didn't get too lucky.
-The Red Whelps are everywhere! And they're good too, to the extent that shooting random targets is good. PSA: When one of yours kills one of theirs before it shoots, it doesn't get to shoot.
-Haven't seen Deathwing or Ysera yet, but yeah, they both seem potentially very good.
i would make riders 2/2 and remove overwhelm from level 1 [ make you work a little for the keyword not having it since the start] i think it will be nerfed next big patch it is so much power for 6 mana.
Over 24 hours and still no fix, in fact not even an official acknowledgement that there's any sort of issue. The combination of sloppy testing, combined with the ninja update (effectively lying to your customers) is just one more illustration of how comprehensively blizzard are managing to screw things up.
What a joke.
It's getting to the stage that, when a new update is announced, I've stopped getting excited about the prospect of new features, rewards, etc., and am simply resigned to the fact that blizzard are going to screw up the game for the next few days.
"Infinite" does not mean "lots of". It means "without end, limitless." If your hero power generates a lackey, you have access to infinite lackeys. No, the game will not go on infinitely, but you will never run out of lackeys.
Anyway, I think a lot of good points got made here, and I do not think Blizzard should do anything about this after all. I appreciate the discussion people had. Not sure why I got downvoted a bunch. I upvote people for having a good chat with me, even if I disagree with them.
Imo Lux still doesn't cut it. The value she can generate from 6 mana spells pales in comparison to Heimer. I think she should be cheaper with lowered stats, then she can be a "tempo" alternative to Heimer.
It has been a few days since you posted this. Do you still feel this way?
I find Lux to be a very solid Champion in several different region pairings.
Judging by the interactions in this thread, it really does seem like you haven't fully appreciated the subtle -- but extremely important -- differences between this and other card games. My advice would be to watch a streamer, pause frequently to try to predict their plays, and take note when and why you are wrong.
Most of the time when they do something you didn't expect, it is not just a difference of opinion. And because you have experience with other games, I'm willing to bet your errors have little to do with general fundamentals and everything to do with the many unique aspects of Runeterra.
- Games are a lot faster now, because there's a lot more 4- and 5-cost minions that exist to be fat bodies rather than amplifiers. Smacking someone for 20 damage meant you utterly stomped them, previously, while now it just means Razorgore and a couple of other fat dragons stuck around
- Deathwing is being oddly underrated given he can go from early to late game with two Rat Packs on his board and nothing else :P
- Ysera is late-game-oriented but feels disgustingly strong due to her reliability with a Dragon comp
- Dragons in general are being overplayed, along with Beasts, meaning you can pick up high placements by running Demons and Murlocs simply because people won't go for them unless they got stuck with a railroaded hero - this is pretty much just because they're new, so take advantage of it in the short term
- Mechs feel really weak right now, probably because both Dragons and Murlocs can pull their Divine Shield signature (and do it with minions that don't fold the second a light breeze hits them without their shield up)
- Speaking of Divine Shield, George is MUCH more powerful now. Not only did his hero power get buffed, but adding DS synergies into the game gave him a huge amount of relevance
I could go on, but most of you probably stopped reading already. Your experiences?
Does anyone elso also only receive the packs on only one of their servers? I got mine on my "america account", where I play just rarely, but no pack on my EU account which I play everyday and I'm kinda dissapointed...
Were the twitch drops supposed to only go to one server per account? Seems unfair :(
I have laughed every time I've seen someone call Kat weak. People horribly underrated Rally in the opening stages of the game, and honestly it's still underutilised.
Answer to OP - Frostbite, removal, tempo. The first two have already been covered in the thread, and the third has been touched on.
Kat isn't really a Champion. I mean... she is, technically, but the way she works means she's more akin to a damaging spell with Rally built in. If your opponent is spending 4 mana repeatedly on a Shunpo that you can block with any old chump, you respond by flooding the board. Kat produces aggression by giving her player multiple attacks in any given turn, what she doesn't really give is value. She has no response to a board full of 3/3s.
So what do i do? I suppose i can freeze but that's just temporary and i use mana on a delay effect while the enemy builds the board. with cheap creatures that keep dealing chip damage on me.
If you wait until after they announce her as an attacker and then block and frostbite her, she'll die. She only recalls if she strikes, and she can only strike if she has >0 attack.
In general, though: don't loose board. Being able to rally multiple times doesn't mean jack for your opponent if they don't have the attackers to back it up. If they play 2 cheap units: you play 1 medium sized unit that can kill them both off. Before long, they'll run out of cards meaning they won't have any units besides Katarina who is a terrible blocker--then you punish them.
The downside of her is that you have to pay 4 mana each turn, if you are ahead, you can surely just close out games with her, but if you have a bad early or your opponent managed to reset the board or get ahead, you will struggle to be able to use her effectively.
I've seen people say she is a weak champ but at least from my experience she's the most annoying thing ever. 3 health means very few spells can kill her, unless you're P&Z or Shadow Isles you're fucked basically. The quick attack means she survives every time she strikes after she upgrades. Not joking, and i find this stupid. Even if my blocker would normally kill her, she just returns to hand all fine and dandy. And the fact she Rallies every time you play her is very difficult to deal with, not a lot of ways to win the board early in this game without minion combat and that is exactly what she beats me on i feel.
So what do i do? I suppose i can freeze but that's just temporary and i use mana on a delay effect while the enemy builds the board. with cheap creatures that keep dealing chip damage on me.
Blizzard Confirms Hearthstone's 2020 Plans will be Detailed in the Middle of March, Updates on 16.4 Bugs
I was already expecting first week of March for expansion news, but I guess it'll be more like second week? The anticipation is killing me.
Blizzard Confirms Hearthstone's 2020 Plans will be Detailed in the Middle of March, Updates on 16.4 Bugs
So we have to sit here nice and tight for another 2 weeks? At least tease us with something. I was looking forward to seeing the first six cards of the new expansion, then wait two weeks for the rest of them to start trickling in.
Blizzard Confirms Hearthstone's 2020 Plans will be Detailed in the Middle of March, Updates on 16.4 Bugs
Finally the kids on Reddit can calm down lol
Eternal - March 2020 Sealed League: Aftershock
The new monthly Eternal league starts on March 1 and you get a cool new card back for joining.
Here be dragons
Mostly agree. I haven't played a ton of BG overall, but I've had quite a bit of fun the last couple days trying out the dragons.
-Razorgore seems a really good. I saw someone get a couple of him down early, and they got HUGE. With Amalgams gone, poison is harder to find, so that matters.
-I've played as Galakrond, and he was good. I didn't do too well, but I don't want to blame him for that. Using his HP to angle for specific minions seems like it has potential, but I didn't get too lucky.
-The Red Whelps are everywhere! And they're good too, to the extent that shooting random targets is good. PSA: When one of yours kills one of theirs before it shoots, it doesn't get to shoot.
-Haven't seen Deathwing or Ysera yet, but yeah, they both seem potentially very good.
Let's talk about Hecarim
i would make riders 2/2 and remove overwhelm from level 1 [ make you work a little for the keyword not having it since the start] i think it will be nerfed next big patch it is so much power for 6 mana.
Let's talk about Hecarim
5 mana 3/3 no fear no overhwlem and the riders being a 2\1
Hearthstone's 16.4 Update is a Mess - Mage Bundle Nerf, Mobile Issues, Battlegrounds Queues, Unnerfed Ghostly Mogu Fleshshaper
Over 24 hours and still no fix, in fact not even an official acknowledgement that there's any sort of issue. The combination of sloppy testing, combined with the ninja update (effectively lying to your customers) is just one more illustration of how comprehensively blizzard are managing to screw things up.
What a joke.
It's getting to the stage that, when a new update is announced, I've stopped getting excited about the prospect of new features, rewards, etc., and am simply resigned to the fact that blizzard are going to screw up the game for the next few days.
Dragon's Hoard into Dark Pharoah Tekhan should not be allowed.
"Infinite" does not mean "lots of". It means "without end, limitless." If your hero power generates a lackey, you have access to infinite lackeys. No, the game will not go on infinitely, but you will never run out of lackeys.
Anyway, I think a lot of good points got made here, and I do not think Blizzard should do anything about this after all. I appreciate the discussion people had. Not sure why I got downvoted a bunch. I upvote people for having a good chat with me, even if I disagree with them.
Let's talk about Hecarim
Don't you guys think the card is a bit overtuned?
How would you nerf him? or maybe nerf the rekindlererBADCARDNAME probably The Harrowing as well.
I mean dealing with a Hecarim is hard but manageable the problem is the next 2 Hecarims that come Back to Back turn after turn..
For me.. I had 2 copies and crafted the third one today.. it feels so unfair to play the card or against it.
How would you nerf him? 7 mana? remove overwhelm(only shadow isles with this keyword IIRC)? nerf riders?
Maybe you think he doesn't deserve nerfing and it's ok every second deck is shadow isles.
Your region progress
100 percent this.
A reset would make no sense whatsoever.
Thoughts on Recent Patch Nerfs/Buff's (Lux Buffed a THIRD TIME!?)
It has been a few days since you posted this. Do you still feel this way?
I find Lux to be a very solid Champion in several different region pairings.
Good deck for low level climbing?
Judging by the interactions in this thread, it really does seem like you haven't fully appreciated the subtle -- but extremely important -- differences between this and other card games. My advice would be to watch a streamer, pause frequently to try to predict their plays, and take note when and why you are wrong.
Most of the time when they do something you didn't expect, it is not just a difference of opinion. And because you have experience with other games, I'm willing to bet your errors have little to do with general fundamentals and everything to do with the many unique aspects of Runeterra.
Here be dragons
So, thoughts on the new Battlegrounds additions?
So far, for me:
- Games are a lot faster now, because there's a lot more 4- and 5-cost minions that exist to be fat bodies rather than amplifiers. Smacking someone for 20 damage meant you utterly stomped them, previously, while now it just means Razorgore and a couple of other fat dragons stuck around
- Deathwing is being oddly underrated given he can go from early to late game with two Rat Packs on his board and nothing else :P
- Ysera is late-game-oriented but feels disgustingly strong due to her reliability with a Dragon comp
- Dragons in general are being overplayed, along with Beasts, meaning you can pick up high placements by running Demons and Murlocs simply because people won't go for them unless they got stuck with a railroaded hero - this is pretty much just because they're new, so take advantage of it in the short term
- Mechs feel really weak right now, probably because both Dragons and Murlocs can pull their Divine Shield signature (and do it with minions that don't fold the second a light breeze hits them without their shield up)
- Speaking of Divine Shield, George is MUCH more powerful now. Not only did his hero power get buffed, but adding DS synergies into the game gave him a huge amount of relevance
I could go on, but most of you probably stopped reading already. Your experiences?
Get 2 Free Descent of Dragons Packs for Watching Hearthstone on Twitch - This Week Only!
Does anyone elso also only receive the packs on only one of their servers? I got mine on my "america account", where I play just rarely, but no pack on my EU account which I play everyday and I'm kinda dissapointed...
Were the twitch drops supposed to only go to one server per account? Seems unfair :(
Hearthstone's 16.4 Update is a Mess - Mage Bundle Nerf, Mobile Issues, Battlegrounds Queues, Unnerfed Ghostly Mogu Fleshshaper
Yo, quick update on the Android crash.
Seems like players who re-download HS via the Amazon app will somehow bypass the bug and be able to play today with patch added.
I'm on mobile data so there's no way I'm gonna d/l +6GBs of HS plus the Amazon thingies, but hey, it's a solution, rite?
Pretty angry here, I don't even care about Battlegrounds and the dragons on it, yet we have to endure such poor Quality Testing performance.
How to deal with Katarina
I have laughed every time I've seen someone call Kat weak. People horribly underrated Rally in the opening stages of the game, and honestly it's still underutilised.
Answer to OP - Frostbite, removal, tempo. The first two have already been covered in the thread, and the third has been touched on.
Kat isn't really a Champion. I mean... she is, technically, but the way she works means she's more akin to a damaging spell with Rally built in. If your opponent is spending 4 mana repeatedly on a Shunpo that you can block with any old chump, you respond by flooding the board. Kat produces aggression by giving her player multiple attacks in any given turn, what she doesn't really give is value. She has no response to a board full of 3/3s.
How to deal with Katarina
Shadow Isles has the best chance to deal with her with its multitude of removal spells.
Piltover & Zaun is almost as easy.
Noxus has Whilrling Death ... use it wisely!
Ionia has Mark of Death and Yasuo. You're probably going to have to rely on your deck's other region unless you have lots of stun/recall.
Freljord can Frostbite her to keep her from bouncing, then use a Challenger to finish her off (if you're lucky).
Demacia can Detain her, use Single Combat or Judgment, or just chump block every time she appears.
If you are not running any of these options, yeah, you're pretty much screwed (also maybe not the best deckbuilder?).
Hearthstone's 16.4 Update is a Mess - Mage Bundle Nerf, Mobile Issues, Battlegrounds Queues, Unnerfed Ghostly Mogu Fleshshaper
Yeah, that's the big issue. There isn't much reason to read that block of text in the shop if the blog conveyed seemingly accurate information.
If anyone wants a refund, I can't imagine it would be hard to argue it. They definitely can refund Hearthstone stuff.
How to deal with Katarina
If you wait until after they announce her as an attacker and then block and frostbite her, she'll die. She only recalls if she strikes, and she can only strike if she has >0 attack.
In general, though: don't loose board. Being able to rally multiple times doesn't mean jack for your opponent if they don't have the attackers to back it up. If they play 2 cheap units: you play 1 medium sized unit that can kill them both off. Before long, they'll run out of cards meaning they won't have any units besides Katarina who is a terrible blocker--then you punish them.
Hearthstone's 16.4 Update is a Mess - Mage Bundle Nerf, Mobile Issues, Battlegrounds Queues, Unnerfed Ghostly Mogu Fleshshaper
Glad I fought the urge to buy the Mage packs... That's a bloody slap in the face to those that did buy them.
How to deal with Katarina
The downside of her is that you have to pay 4 mana each turn, if you are ahead, you can surely just close out games with her, but if you have a bad early or your opponent managed to reset the board or get ahead, you will struggle to be able to use her effectively.
She is one of the more unique champs for sure.
[Game] Card Treasure Hunt (The Resurrection Attempt)
Didn't know that, but cool story and a great riddle!
Give me a board
Give me a brother
Take up the sword
No need to bother
How to deal with Katarina
I've seen people say she is a weak champ but at least from my experience she's the most annoying thing ever. 3 health means very few spells can kill her, unless you're P&Z or Shadow Isles you're fucked basically. The quick attack means she survives every time she strikes after she upgrades. Not joking, and i find this stupid. Even if my blocker would normally kill her, she just returns to hand all fine and dandy. And the fact she Rallies every time you play her is very difficult to deal with, not a lot of ways to win the board early in this game without minion combat and that is exactly what she beats me on i feel.
So what do i do? I suppose i can freeze but that's just temporary and i use mana on a delay effect while the enemy builds the board. with cheap creatures that keep dealing chip damage on me.
Dragon's Hoard into Dark Pharoah Tekhan should not be allowed.
Also to note - as a long-time Quest Rogue player, the idea of calling one 4/4 a turn 'infinite' is laughable :P