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I don't understand why you folks keep playing this game. Most of the posts here seem to be from disappointed people that keep on doing it because of unpractical reasons (big collection, dailies, to enjoy some stupidity etc).

Why waste your time? Isn't a game supposed to be fulfilling? When are you gonna cut your losses? Isn't your time worth more?

You might say you don't have something to play while you poop. But why do you need to play anything then? Focusing on what you are doing is beneficial for your body. Not focusing is detrimental. 

Moreover, you spend 15 minutes on the toilet when you could've been done in 5. Why waste 10 minutes with something completely useless (since you are clearly not enjoying the game)?

Cut your losses and be happy with something new.

I won't miss shaman. It's not even that it's Tier S (it's not, but definitely tier 1. I beat plenty of them with quest hunter). The bigger problem is how it feel s and how shaman wins that needs a nerf.

Their Galakrond invokes allow for near constant board floods, and they can access to some pretty powerful discover mechanics that have the potential to chain (Dragonqueen Alexstrasza in singleton builds, lackeys, discovered shaman spells that also discover, etc.), since Blizzard insists on allowing cards to discover themselves for some godforsaken reason.

Faceless Corruptor is pretty strong but I'm not convinced it's OP yet. People keep saying it's a 5-mana 10/8, but you need to spend at least 1-mana to produce a minion or token of some kind for Faceless to target. You can't argue that it doubles it's own power based solely on its own cost; it's can't do that on an empty board, so there's always a deeper cost, even though the payoff is extremely good.

Mutate and Mogu Fleshshaper could potentially both use a simultaneous rework. Mutate might be fine for now, but the recommendation that DelkoHS made for Mogu is my favorite one: make the discount only apply to your side of the board. You want to discount Mogu? Play your own minions and empty your hand to get there. If that doesn't cool the jets on Mogu, then they could examine Mutate's cost, although to keep things in line for wild, that would mean a cost bump for Evolve, too.

We need Blizzard to really nail this balance patch. Shaman might not be utterly broken, but it is terrible to play against, and we're already coming off a shaman-dominant meta that went unanswered by Blizzard.

Crossing fingers for Wild (EvoShaman, but also Secret Mage)

#PrayForWild

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Without Evolve, Mogu Fleshshaper isn't really that big of a deal imo. Shaman does far more broken things right now.

Really? You think 0-mana transform into an 8-mana minion is fine?

I reckon Dragonmaw Poacher might get hit too. Even it's not currently being played much, it severely discourages the use of dragons in an expansion centered around dragons. Arena has already shown how oppressive it can be.

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Not sure why everyone has such a hateboner for Warrior. I've played the matchup a bunch of times and while it's strong it doesn't really seem overpowered unless you're playing a real greedy deck with lack of defense.

If anything Parachute Brigand needs to be a 2/1 or something because it's just not fair when that thing drops twice on turn 1 and you have no realistic chance of getting rid of it.

I have been playing rush warrior + galakround I have NO idea why people are playing pirates it's clearly inferior to rush warrior, I have been winning none stop, even against shamans..

Rush warrior had 2 problems: lack of reach, and lack of card draw that doesn't loses you as much tempo, guess what galakround does? +3 attack and card draw.. Pirate warrior while strong just has so much of it's power on a legendary weapon that if they don't draw it well it's just a meh deck and even the "god draw" is not that insane..

What list of Rush Warrior are you using? It sounds interesting.

Probably the fastest intervention ever by Team 5. I'm happy to see that finally they're changing their behavior about balance, at last for Standard (let's hope that also Wild will recieve a more costant focus).

Maybe the coming of LoR is finally forcing Blizzard to bring innovations and improvements.

Agree, kind of. 1 card invoke twice with 7/5 worth of stats (some have rush) is very valueble. Tempest Galakrond is easily invoked to third phase makes shaman not also good on tempo, but on value as well. 

But you’re a Child of Galakrond. Why would you want to nerf your dad?

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if Faceless Corruptor is not on that list I'm going to scream.

 

Also, the really dropped the ball on Shaman this time. Galakrond is so op that he improves the winrate of any deck you put him in by 5%...and Galakrond Shaman sits at over 60% winrate.

Let that sink in: a completely new deck (well, sort of) immediately rises to 60% winrate without even having been refined. The last time that happened was Even Paladin with Call to Arms at 4.

 

Not sure why everyone has such a hateboner for Warrior. I've played the matchup a bunch of times and while it's strong it doesn't really seem overpowered unless you're playing a real greedy deck with lack of defense.

If anything Parachute Brigand needs to be a 2/1 or something because it's just not fair when that thing drops twice on turn 1 and you have no realistic chance of getting rid of it.

 

Running Weapon removal is key at this point. If you can shut down Ancharr early and they don't have Hoard Pillager in their opening hand then you're good (although they might need to nerf the Pillager to 5 to make the weapon removal not pointless)

I have been playing rush warrior + galakround I have NO idea why people are playing pirates it's clearly inferior to rush warrior, I have been winning none stop, even against shamans..

Rush warrior had 2 problems: lack of reach, and lack of card draw that doesn't loses you as much tempo, guess what galakround does? +3 attack and card draw.. Pirate warrior while strong just has so much of it's power on a legendary weapon that if they don't draw it well it's just a meh deck and even the "god draw" is not that insane..

Eternium Rover is still the king of the early game, you add the rush/enrage package and you have a very sturdy early game, the invoke cards provide the mid game and galakround gives the insane late game.

And Faceless Corruptor needs a huge nerf the card was insane enough on paper.. on practice it's even more insane, and I thought the targeting was random as well..

minimum a 7 mana card not even 6 mana, that's a Bonemare buff effect..

Imagine if Bonemare had rush itself, gave rush to target instead of taunt, had better buff with hand buffs and to top it off was 5 mana instead of 7.. that's the card blizzard released. (well you can't go face with it, but still...)

Hey! Your rush deck sounds interesting. Might share the decklist? Thanks in advance! 

At least that doesn't put 2 8/8 rush on top of the bs you get from shaman these days.

Corrupt Elementalist is not a problem in of itself. The tremendous problem is that it imbalances the Galakrond from other classes in shaman's favour. Invoke cards are supposed to be bad for their mana cost while upgrading Galakrond. This card however, is just good in of itself, and it upgrades Galakrond way too fast, AND it basically means shaman doesn't have to play the other bad invoke cards.

At the moment, its one of the highest winrate cards in G-shaman. It needs a nerf to 7, or lowered stats on 6.

[Hearthstone Card (Faceless corrupter) Not Found], being a neutral card at least means I can play it myself. I don't see how its broken given that Oasis Surger didn't get nerfed so I'm thinking this would be a skip.

Maybe Galakrond's 8/8 rush will be turned to 6/6. That might just reduce the swing.

Dragon's Pack might get the nerf stick for being stupid stats on 5 but if they nerfed Corrupt Elementalist to the ground then maybe this can get a break for now.

More pressing is the upcoming winter break. They want this deck gone before they leave their offices 

Not the first time they sacrificed "symmetry" or flavour for gameplay/ balance purposes

Do you remember times of GvG, Naxx, Tournament when they said they wouldn't change any cards because they wouldn't feel like cards? Those were fun times, I quitted the game for a long time, probably person responsible for such an idiotic approach is no longer part of Team 5. Always a good thing to see balance changes, they can't come fast enough.

I'm gonna quote some other user from the site:

"Whoever designed/tested Faceless Corruptor must've been on acid."

Damn!

I still didn't open my packs!!

I don't know, everybody sees that Shaman Galakrond is really strong, but isn't it only because of start of expansion and greedy decks not playing for tempo but value? Everybody was crying about Bomb Warrior and Token Druid at the start of the Rise of Shadows, but the meta adjusted gradually and those decks have become obsolete.

i have no clue what to take out tbh. I tried several cards but the result is crap.. I guess that they will nerf the card anyway, so lets just forget about it and keep the deck how it is:)

I'm still seeing ads next to and between comments.

Edit: This stopped happening on this page as soon as I posted. Maybe the page needs to be regenerated for the ads to be expelled because pages that are cached server-side still have ad slots in them?

Full dust refund! ..

*...If you manage to disenchant Galakrond. Kappa

It is a problem. You can invoke twice with one card and get a lot of tempo with the rush minions. Yes the stats of the card feel meh but the value from it, is just too good.

This warlock Galakrond still amuses me.. I mean, if you are playing zoo, you are meant to be playing an aggro deck. Aggro decks should not rely on hero cards, especially those that costs 7 mana

Even with the Invoke stuff to summon the imps, still the invoke cards are not aggro oriented!!!

IMO this Galakrond Warlock was an extreme design flaw. They should have created something that could make a control deck more viable. 

If someone makes a competitive deck with this card, then he/she will get my applause!

I'm not sure how much they can do about Galakrond itself, since symmetry with other classes is so integral to it's design. Your other predictions are spot on, though 

Wow, that's unprecedented. I'm pretty sure nerfs are based on the data they collect, so they are clearly seeing something wildly out of control. 

But it's rather shocking that this escaped from playtest.  

I was doing an arena today and guess what ? He is still here !!! Maybe the guy created the deck yesterday but it feels terrible to face it ....