Just hit diamond with an old staple the deck list is pretty much the same as I always run the archetype.

Heavy on the pings, heavy on the turbo leveling, and then with a full set of tentacle draw to A devalue open attacks, B provide card advantage, and C go deep faster.

I believe landmark is a staple for the archetype not running it is usually wrong, because again you can guarantee flips to devalue open attacks, or guarantee deep at end of turn, or just play something that is proactive but cant be removed by opponent.

Overall meta seems fine, I still don't love the dice roll decks that are fairly prevalent but a good player will always win 70% more then he losses at low plat ranks so it doesn't really matter you'll climb easily.

OK,

So this is the third I am going to start this game a fresh, right from the beginning, as a F2P (too long of a story).

My first time to climb fast as a F2P, was with Zoolock and concede Shaman (long long time ago).

My second time was with beast hunter and Reno Priest (long time ago).

What is the best cheep F2P deck out there this time? 

Thank you for your help :)

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So I have thoughts about the latest tier list and let's go through the decks one by one.

1. Pirates - like yeah great aggro deck but also has essentially been the same since rising tides give or take a few new tools. If you lose to this its your fault.

2. Timeliness - also a bad deck, but it can highroll so hard that you don't even get to play the game with your good deck and for that reason hits number 1 on my nerf list (equipment timeliness interaction)

3. Ezreal Kenin - lol what? Like don't get me wrong infinite card advantage Ionia is always a valid deck because it is only 1 deck but that being said I find the champ pkg here lacking as a win condition and more often you just let them die so you can draw more cards.

4. Kindred Nasus - new equipment sac cards are scary who doesn't want infinite 7/7's in a undying deck, and for one mana? Probably not nerfable unless you make the 7/7 cost 8 or something. 

5. Kaisa - yeah honestly I like her she's easy to beat and is champ focused midrange eith only 1 decent win condition. Very balanced since her spell got put to slow speed.

A tier is mostly more infinite card advantage shenanigans,  we have a Gwen deck which is cool, Evelyn Viego still doing their thing, Annie, Darkness, Scouts.

All good stuff, so basically I only see 1 nerf that's needed (time lines equipment) because it's less of a deck and more I get to roll 2 dice each turn and hope they combine into something broken.

Oh also deep, azir irelia, Lurk, with ekko and Kaine being solid B tier options.

Quote From MrRhapsody

I'm at the worst mental state of my life, my creativity is gone, my passion is gone, my will is gone, and they won't come back any time soon, the whole deal of this custom expansion making for me was about the self improvement that came with it, like making cards, logos, lore, etc, but if the only thing I feel like doing now is go to work and spend the rest of the day looking at the roof waiting for the end of it, then I don't  think there's a point to keep working on it, nothing I do feels fun or meningful anymore

...

but my situation is critical and I must have full dedication to the treatment so I don't make something stupid.

I don't know the best words when it comes to this kind of situation, despite having lived it myself. When you reach that point where nothing seems to mean anything anymore and the most "productive" thing you can manage is just...surviving to the next day. I'm still trying to recover, even a full decade after I collapsed in a heap of darkness and loneliness. But I'm working on it, and that matters. Admit you need help, and seek it out: as far as I'm concerned there is no alternative waiting in the wings, so it's absolutely essential that you keep striving to make the only life you get a better one. For as long as it takes. Live, and fight your sorrow. We'll be here when you're ready to return; take all the time you need.

As for your project, I don't think I'm in a position to take it from you. I'm not making much progress on my own endeavors, including some IRL stuff: I don't want to get into the details, but I'm on the cusp of a pretty important life-changing decision and that needs my attention. I would be honored to work on it for you, but I can't give the expansion its due diligence right now :(

The flavor of the expansion is pretty cool, though, I must say. "Radioactive" could be a fun Keyword to experiment with.

Welcome to Medivh's Tower Format! Tower is a format in which there is no RNG other than when a player draws from their deck. This means no Discover, Copy, Random, or other words that can do something non-specific. Below is the ban list (which I'm not going to update regularly once this is posted) for players to build their decks around.

This Format is a sub-format of Standard AND Wild.

The goal of the Format is to cut down on "Paveling Book" scenarios and to rely purely on skill and deckbuilding, and in order to do that certain Key Words, Words,  and cards must be banned.

Banned Words & Key words:

Discover
Adapt
Random or "At the end/beginning of turn do X to another enemy/friendly character".
Copy
Numbers that aren't exact, i.e. "1-4" "3-6" as opposed to just "2".
50% Chance

Below I've listed out each each expansion which contains a list of cards that are banned from each class including neutral cards. At the bottom of each expansion is a Debatable section where I explain why or why I didn't ban a particular card and the reasoning. Below that I give my thoughts on the impact the cards currently make in the Standard and Wild Formats.

Legacy

Curse of Naxxramas

Goblins vs Gnomes

Blackrock Mountain

The Grand Tournament

The League of Explorers

Whispers of The Old Gods

One night in Karazhan

Mean Streets of Gadgetzan

Journey to Un'Goro

Knights of the Frozen Throne

Kobolds and Catacombs

The Witchwood

The Boomsday Project

Rastakhan's Rumble

Rise of Shadows

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Demon Hunter

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None

Druid

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Hunter

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Mage

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Paladin

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Priest

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Rogue

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Shaman

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Warlock

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Warrior

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Neutral

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EVIL Cable Rat

Debatable

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Catrina Muerte & Mass Resurrection because random is implied.

Heistbaron Togwaggle because one of his options has 'random" in the text.

Mage losing Khadgar, Conjurer's Calling, and Power of Creation ruins any dreams of summoning big minions out of nowhere. The combo itself is the reason why I came up with this Format………… three years ago. Control Priest losing Convincing Infiltrator is another big hit to the deck.

Saviors of Uldum

Descent of Dragons

Ashes of Outland & Demon Hunter Initiate Set

Scholomance Academy

Madness at the Darkmoon Faire

Forged in the Barrens

United in Stormwind

Fractured in Alteric Valley

Voyage to the Sunken City

Murder at Castle Nathria

If I missed any cards that should be banned or if you think certain cards please let me know below, I did numerous passovers on the list and I'm sure I've missed at least one card. There're a lot of close call cards that didn't make it onto the list and I'm not sure if I made the right call on not banning them. If you believe that some should/should not be on the list please let me know. With your comments I'll be putting them into the Debatable sections of each expansion so others can reasonings as to why or why not a card is banned.

This is one of 6 formats that will be presented in a Hearthstone Format Overhaul I'm working on.

Thank you for reading.

-Grif

Competition Theme: Cast On, Cast Off

It seems like an awful lot of effort to play all these cards. If only they could help out somehow...

• You must create a card which can play other cards
  • There's plenty of ways to go about this - at random (Servant of Yogg-Saron) or very specific (Lady in White); from hand (Felwalker), from deck (Nightshade Bud) or from the past (Tess Greymane). Maybe you'll find another different way!

Sothis is looking for some cards to be cast this week - so why not get the cards to do the casting?

As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

Competition Phases

Here are the phases of this card design competition

• Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Aug 29 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Sep 3 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Sep 3 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Sep 4 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Sep 4 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Sep 5 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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One thing you can say about awakening is that it successfully shook up the play patterns and deck building requirements to such an extent I basically didn't know how to play or recognize LOR anymore.

And while I stand by the statement that some of the new additions are pretty strong as a dedicated control player, as in play and respond not just jam put card advantage till you win.

I didnt know what to do and I felt the new set was to blame, so let me share my findings on what works great if you don't want to play Ionia or Shurima, cuz I really don't:

1. 3 minimorphs feel pretty much required, Lee Sin, machine gun Aussie, Viego, all backed by 4 mana denys, so guess what burst removal can't be denied so run 3.

2. 1 mana equipment removal, I feel like silence and surpess and quietus are low key necessary as a 3 of no mater what.

3. Now you get to build the rest of your deck including pings, vengences/concerted strikes, draw, cycling creatures etc.

4. Synergy and turbo level pkg

5. Play slow play smart, generally speaking meta decks are just insane at tempo and infinite value, and turboing and just all sorts of crazy **** but once you recognize the new patters you're good here's a few examples

- snap kill monkey!

- only remove equipment that is providing additional value to the opponent appropriately judging this action takes a lot of games

- gently devalue open attack spam, this is huge for how I play control where you incentive a linear play style in the opponent that luls them into a false security that they are winning 3 dmg here or there, meanwhile they are essentially doing nothing while you for example burst level Lux or double darkness, or set up overwhelm swings etc.

- finally big take away in a 6 deny meta don't play ramp, don't play deep, these were strong picks last meta I really would not recommend right now, but lurk seems good.

So yeah back to big winstreaks in Plat one week after the expansion, my brews are doing well, but a lot of my old decks are unplayable now Awakening was a huge shift but overall a fun one, so good job Riot maybe hahaha.

Forge is very good, again scaling without a great number of adequate answers is scary.

And much like attach you get your buffed piece of equipment back.

I feel bad for darkness you had 1 month again in the spotlight buddy oh well.

Grandma bunny was my first craft because memes, and truthfully her kit is kinda bad but she's kinda good. So feels like a runeterra champ minus the inflexible deck building restriction.

My first deck is a simple yordal tribal build with her and it seems good but not broken compared to how many forge and equipment decks well see day 1 and in the meta overall.

Honestly, equipment cards need to go on the stack period full stop. 

It essentially 100% fixes the control into equipment matchup which is currently impossible.

Fisher girl goes down on 2, her equipment goes on the stack, you vile feast, her equipment now goes into hand.

On curve creature, equivalent on curve answer.

You play treasure of the sands on akshan, you respond with mystic he is not equipped yet so 1 mana burst only provides 1 life, so you can potentially ping again.

This is 100% the most likely fix for the mechanic to increase interactivity for re-active players without demanding everyone play Ionia.

So yes stackable equipment at slow speed but not counterable, this is how it should have been designed at the onset in a game about passing turn priority.

Its like if Undirs buffs literally just didn't show up on the stack, and were the equivalent of burst, he'd be the best champion in the game 

So Riot beyond the normal range of balance fixes this patch demands please make equipment intractable by treating it like a slow speed uncounterable spell.

https://youtu.be/QcoRqLCSXhA

Says it in the first sentence, new Champs bad (aka) the fun and central mechanic of your game.

New cards however are so strong they now cary entire archetypes, aka broken.

Majin Bae may not be as vocal as me about why this is problematic but even a blind man can see the light, even if he doesn't recognize where it comming from.

Aka why this is ******* awful for the game.

So this should really surprise no one but the highest winrate card post expansion isn't a champion like bard or Annie.

Its a 1 mana follower.

Simon wind is a 2 mana cycle on paper this balanced.

Zoe cycles at 2 mana right? 

Wrong she cycles at 4 because dog costs 2

So monkey is a better Zoe.

This is really bad, like really really bad.

Like we've seen cards like shadow assassin break the format and she costs 3 freaking mana.

Because when card advantage costs too little tempo, like say 1 mana, then 2 mana at burst over and over you essentially negate tempo loss with Dragonling and can just bounce and stun everything else.

Idk it's a head scratcher it's like if the 1 mana cycle in bilgewater could go infinite by design.

Like its not a question of if nerfed to 2 mana plus 2 mana to put under par with Zoe (buffed to a 2/1 to compensate) but when.

But like I just dont get it Riot like ask any card game player hey should we print an Infinite cycle at 1 mana at the equivalent of a common card, you would say plz God God plz God no.

You would say 2 mana plus 2 mana with the spell proc is fair plz maths oh God I'm having an aneurysm. So to sum up Riot less stupids more card counting plz go ask a blackjack player.

Hello guys !

After a long time, I came back to MTG Arena (again) and even though I couldn't had time to write and staying around in the site because of my irl stuff, I was following here everyday for news and such.

Yesterday, I downloaded MTG:Arena again and wanted to check Outofcards' MTG:Arena Side and i was surprised when i saw the last thread which is 1 month's ago and comments surprised me more because the nearest is almost 2 years old and it is new expansion time for the game.

So I wondered it is about the site's support or the game itself. Is it the game that has the rough times or did just outofcards stop supporting it ?

Can someone light a candle for me ? :)

So similar to world waker when it first came out ladder is basically a complete mess.

Not sure if internal testing basically doesn't exist at Riot anymore.

But its getting a little tiring having to wait 3 months for a new set to get balanced just so I can climb to diamond.

Things like concurrent timelines, the infinite amount of Ionia running around, equipment decks everywhere, basically makes the game unplayable.

So here we go wake me up for the next major game fixing patch and I'll see you guys in diamond.

Zzzzzzz

Hi, this might seem like a weird question but honestly what do you do on this great HS community site? I see like 886 pages of members (roughly 22K users) and on the first few pages it seems like there is a lot of activity going on, but it does not seem to translate directly to a lot of new posts being created when I look at the recent forum threads, articles or deck comments.

I will start off with myself, I visit OoC daily multiple times:

• to check on new announcements about HS obviously and participate in the discussion
• to post in a few dedicated forum threads (reward track progress and such)
• when I hit legend in a season to post my deck and if anyone is interested discuss about it
• sometimes I also participate in the fan creation competitions

What about you? 😅

Why all the feels bad to play aggainst cards are from this region?

So I was playing against a Mage and they were playing Suspicious Alchemist + Smothering Starfish. Interestingly, I did not get the choice of picking a card, although Suspicious Alchemist's effect is supposedly a battlecry entirely.

Do you have any idea why Starfish should nullify the effect of Alchemist? Is it some kind of aura? Usually Battlecries should not be silenced when they affect cards or game interactions that are not board-based...

Hi all Snappers,

I have been playing my so called rubbish deck:

It's core is debbri and the two goblins. Goal is to flood your opponents board as quick as possible while you use the power of the rocks with nova/kazar and Mr fantastic. I also added quake to the mix which messes with your opponent planned locations.

What do you think any suggestions/remarks? And if you decide to play it: did you have as much fun as me?

I just lost a game versus a priest, where I had stolen Xyrella, the Devout via Theotar, the Mad Duke. I had played Abyssal Wave earlier, and played Lady Darkvein which I triggered with a Defile, killing everything on the board, including the Shadow Manifestation.

Later, when my opponent had a big board, I played Xyrella and it only triggered the Shadowborn deathrattle, and left out the 2 Shadow Manifestation which should have cast 2 x Abyssal Wave and cleared the board and probably have won me the game, since it would have been my 7th and 8th curse that game.

Is it me reading that hero card wrong? It says every friendly minion this game, but perhaps the manifestations are counted as part of Lady Darkvein?

anyways, just a bit salty...

/chrisroed

Competition Theme: Dawn Of The Dead

Demon Hunter was added to the game so smoothly with no issues at all - surely adding another class will be easy enough?

• You must create a Legendary for a hypothetical Death Knight Initiate Set
  • Death Knight has been added to the game, and it's up to you to come up with a killer Legendary for them!
• Your Legendary cannot use a new Keyword
  • We're focusing on Death Knight design in this competition - adding new Keywords would just muddy the waters!

This time linkblade91 wants us to imagine a world in which the Death Knight is added to the game. I wonder why...?

As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

Competition Phases

Here are the phases of this card design competition

• Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Aug 22 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Aug 27 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Aug 27 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Aug 28 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Aug 28 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Aug 29 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

Discussion Thread Rules

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