Of course SacPact will still see play even then, because it was played in defensive Warlocks in Wild even before DH existed, because you can cheat out Void Lords on turn 4 with Void Caller + SacPact. This combo is used for a long time.
I changed my response seeing how I had forgotten the Sn1p-sn4p tragedy, among other things. I was hoping you would at least read a post before quoting it. My bad.
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You now know what an actual meta report looks like. You're welcome.
Lets take a closer look if VS agrees with your claim "Secret mage has been the best deck for a long time now":
VS Report 21 Feb 2020: Secret Mage Nr 1 deck in Legend -> point for your
VS Report 20 Nov 2019: Secret Mage Nr 3 best deck in Legend -> hmm this doesn`t fit your claim
VS Report 19 Sept 2019: Secret Mage Nr 2 best deck in Legend -> close one, but the Nr. 2 is not the best deck
VS Report 18 July 2019: Secret Mage Nr 3 best deck in Legend -> damn again not the Nr 1
To sum it up: According to VS Secret mage is a T1 and one of the best decks for a long time, thats right. But the claim "Secret mage has been the best deck for a long time now" is still - according to your own source - nonsense.
So I still see no reason to think Secret Mage is so overpowered that it urgently needs to be nerfs. You're welcome.
I'm sorry but if you're referring to Tempo storm as your go-to meta indicator your credibility can be thrown out the window immediately.
Perhaps my comparison with giants warlock wasn't the best but secret mage has been a consistent top tier performer for a long time. Continuously flying under the nerf radar because of more pressing matters (i.e. sn1p-sn4p) yet ever present on ladder. Leading to an extremely stale ladder experience. Even more so now that multiple decks are getting nerfed and even more people will probably flock to it.
Anecdotal evidence of you versus secret mage aside, the deck has no real weakness anymore ever since the latest additions and is EXTREMELY consistent, even when it's getting countered with secret hate.
So then show me please your data, which prove that quote "Secret mage has been the best deck for a long time now".
There are enough ways to handle Secret Mage and a lot of tech cards against secrets.
Of course Secret Mage can be anoying - but it far from "unstoppable" like for example Darkest Hour Warlock which got its combo on turn 5.
There is nothing wrong about having really strong decks in Wild - the problem are the decks, which feel "unstoppable".
Okay, I fully agree with both nerfs and Darkest hour warlock is a problem that should have been addressed long ago.
Quest mage is far from unstoppable though. It loses consistently to aggro decks (which is like half of the wild meta) and the slower Reno quest countetpart has the same weakness most combo decks have.
Secret mage, on the other hand, has been the best deck for a long time now. Even with all the secret hate the deck still performs at a top tier level.
Indeed, there is nothing wrong with having really strong decks. But there is something wrong with having a single really, really strong deck. (Does aga giant warlock come to mind?)
Do you really compare Secret Mage with Nagalock? o.O
Nagalock was one of this "unstoppable" decks. Secret Mage is no where near the brokeness of the old Naga Giants combo.
And based on what do you call Secdret mage "the best deck for a long time"? It is even debatable if Secret Mage was T1 in the last months (Tempo Storm for example only listed it as T2).
Secret Mage is only "op" as long as the opponent is too bad to play effectively around the secrets. Even without a special anti secret tech, I had over 50% winrate for sure against Secret Mage with for example Reno-Quest-Mage, which I reached Legend two months in a row.
Cubelock and Renolock and maybe now Discardlock again are enough other viable to strong decks Warlock has left in Wild, even if Darkest Hour and Mechathunlock will be unplayable after the nerf. As long as Warlock can cheat out a 6/18 taunt on turn 4 this class will be viable.
I guess most of you allready know the one or the other verison of this deck. Dane is one who made it popular.
I played against it on about Rank 300 Legend and I am not sure what to think about it. Some games I won, some I lost - and the one I lost I felt totally helpless about the things the Druid did. It is one of this "I do my thing and you can watch it, while you dying"-decks I think is not healthy for the game.
And when I hear things like, this deck can even kill you on turn 4 or 3 (as I heared) this sounds to "highrolly" for me.
I didn`t play this deck for myself yet, so I don`t really know, how consistent it is and against what decks it is weak against.
I don`t really care about BG. I only play a handfull of games in this mode in a month only at a low rank (about 5500). Of course advanced stats and more heroes to choose are nice - but for me it doesn`t matter much I have these things or not. I can still enjoy BG casually from time to time without these advantages.
I understand why some people are frustrated by these changes, but at the end Blizz "needs" to get money from this mode too, which they are working on very regulary. So I think for people who are focussed more on BG than on constructed 2500 gold for this mode is not much at all.
I think at the end a lot of people have to decide: What is more important for me? BG or constructed? Or I am interested enough in both modes to spend the needed amount of gold / money to stay "on top" in both modes?
@DoubleSummon: I think reworking the Priest class is a good thing. Don`t get me wrong. What I don`t like is to push the "passive control part" of priest even further. When Reno Priest was T1 it most of the time felt for me, that the Priest just "played for his own" and I had nearly no ways to interact with him, because 90% of what he did was remove my minions without playing something to interact with. I always hated this "full passive control style".
And I am not a totally control hater! I got Legend with Reno-Mage last month in Wild. I only hate the passive removal heavy control decks and this playstyle seems to get pushed at most by the update. I whould have loved a stronger focus on a more midrangy Priest identity like in Dragon Priest. To focus Priest more on a "dragon core identity" whould be much more healthier imo than pushing the passive control identity even more. :(
1. A new class doesn`t make sense for me, because it will be only playable in Standard and will be useless for Wild, which would be really dumb imo. "New classes" should imo only be like the old death knights heroes.
2. The buffs to priest are looking waaaay too strong imo. Especially the 4 mana boardclear is absolutely nuts!
I hope, this is an out of season april joke... otherwise this will be the worst news for HS in its history so far. :(
Now it is a fair card - and not a "2 mana: generate 5-7 mana this turn" nonsense we have today.
Of course SacPact will still see play even then, because it was played in defensive Warlocks in Wild even before DH existed, because you can cheat out Void Lords on turn 4 with Void Caller + SacPact. This combo is used for a long time.
Lets take a closer look if VS agrees with your claim "Secret mage has been the best deck for a long time now":
VS Report 21 Feb 2020: Secret Mage Nr 1 deck in Legend -> point for your
VS Report 20 Nov 2019: Secret Mage Nr 3 best deck in Legend -> hmm this doesn`t fit your claim
VS Report 19 Sept 2019: Secret Mage Nr 2 best deck in Legend -> close one, but the Nr. 2 is not the best deck
VS Report 18 July 2019: Secret Mage Nr 3 best deck in Legend -> damn again not the Nr 1
To sum it up: According to VS Secret mage is a T1 and one of the best decks for a long time, thats right. But the claim "Secret mage has been the best deck for a long time now" is still - according to your own source - nonsense.
So I still see no reason to think Secret Mage is so overpowered that it urgently needs to be nerfs. You're welcome.
So then show me please your data, which prove that quote "Secret mage has been the best deck for a long time now".
Do you really compare Secret Mage with Nagalock? o.O
Nagalock was one of this "unstoppable" decks. Secret Mage is no where near the brokeness of the old Naga Giants combo.
And based on what do you call Secdret mage "the best deck for a long time"? It is even debatable if Secret Mage was T1 in the last months (Tempo Storm for example only listed it as T2).
Secret Mage is only "op" as long as the opponent is too bad to play effectively around the secrets. Even without a special anti secret tech, I had over 50% winrate for sure against Secret Mage with for example Reno-Quest-Mage, which I reached Legend two months in a row.
Cubelock and Renolock and maybe now Discardlock again are enough other viable to strong decks Warlock has left in Wild, even if Darkest Hour and Mechathunlock will be unplayable after the nerf. As long as Warlock can cheat out a 6/18 taunt on turn 4 this class will be viable.
There are enough ways to handle Secret Mage and a lot of tech cards against secrets.
Of course Secret Mage can be anoying - but it far from "unstoppable" like for example Darkest Hour Warlock which got its combo on turn 5.
There is nothing wrong about having really strong decks in Wild - the problem are the decks, which feel "unstoppable".
It happend with Barnes too - and yes, you can just dust it for the full value.
Plot twist: THIS is the april fool. :D ;)
Will we at least get some more information what you have planed for this year? Or will you save your ideas for next year?
Don`t forget Houndmaster on turn 4 on top. ;)
Blizz, NOW you have my vengeance... ehh I mean attention. ^^
I guess most of you allready know the one or the other verison of this deck. Dane is one who made it popular.
I played against it on about Rank 300 Legend and I am not sure what to think about it. Some games I won, some I lost - and the one I lost I felt totally helpless about the things the Druid did. It is one of this "I do my thing and you can watch it, while you dying"-decks I think is not healthy for the game.
And when I hear things like, this deck can even kill you on turn 4 or 3 (as I heared) this sounds to "highrolly" for me.
I didn`t play this deck for myself yet, so I don`t really know, how consistent it is and against what decks it is weak against.
So tell my, what do you think about this deck:
Is it allready too powerfull and needs a nerf?
Is it fine because of certain weaknesses?
Or is it just too early to judge about it?
I am so happy, that Blizz fucked up Wild again -.- ...
I don`t really care about BG. I only play a handfull of games in this mode in a month only at a low rank (about 5500). Of course advanced stats and more heroes to choose are nice - but for me it doesn`t matter much I have these things or not. I can still enjoy BG casually from time to time without these advantages.
I understand why some people are frustrated by these changes, but at the end Blizz "needs" to get money from this mode too, which they are working on very regulary. So I think for people who are focussed more on BG than on constructed 2500 gold for this mode is not much at all.
I think at the end a lot of people have to decide: What is more important for me? BG or constructed? Or I am interested enough in both modes to spend the needed amount of gold / money to stay "on top" in both modes?
To all persons who are saying they whant new classes in HS:
"You think you do, but you don't!"
Insanity indeed... sadly in a bad way. :(
@DoubleSummon: I think reworking the Priest class is a good thing. Don`t get me wrong. What I don`t like is to push the "passive control part" of priest even further. When Reno Priest was T1 it most of the time felt for me, that the Priest just "played for his own" and I had nearly no ways to interact with him, because 90% of what he did was remove my minions without playing something to interact with. I always hated this "full passive control style".
And I am not a totally control hater! I got Legend with Reno-Mage last month in Wild. I only hate the passive removal heavy control decks and this playstyle seems to get pushed at most by the update. I whould have loved a stronger focus on a more midrangy Priest identity like in Dragon Priest. To focus Priest more on a "dragon core identity" whould be much more healthier imo than pushing the passive control identity even more. :(
I hope this is fake, because:
1. A new class doesn`t make sense for me, because it will be only playable in Standard and will be useless for Wild, which would be really dumb imo. "New classes" should imo only be like the old death knights heroes.
2. The buffs to priest are looking waaaay too strong imo. Especially the 4 mana boardclear is absolutely nuts!
I hope, this is an out of season april joke... otherwise this will be the worst news for HS in its history so far. :(
Spellbreaker is the first one I have to think of.
So there will be 16 free packs, did I count right? Thats pretty big. O.O