That is the kind of card that might look funny on paper but never really works out unless there is an ally to swap stats with, what I can't think of right now... in general it doesn't convince me
I guess it will be okay in ez draven but neighter Ezreal nor Draven profit that much from a free attack.
In ViRiven however, where every unit is 5+ power with overwhelm and often enough also elusive a free attack is a "little" better, especially because this is an augment trigger aka 1 bonus attack
Oh look an augment 2/6 overwhelm for 5 hmm given how Mechanized Mimic did only okayish in my ViRiven list I am not too confident that this card is well statted enough
Would you pay 4 mana to give a unit 4/2 overwhelm? YES YOU WOULD. Would you play shurima to just do that? I guess not. I currently don't envision any deck besides overwhelm decks that would be great profiteers of this card and I don't know if this card, despite being really strong will make it
I don't know how good he's going to be but there are so many decks that you can build around him that I can't help but be excited.
He is meant as an inevitable, slow wincondition kinda like lissandra thralls are. I would not be surprised if we would see an all in cooldown reduction build trying to clone his leveled up landmark and burry the opponent in value... if you get to draw him early. The fact that this gameplan has a serious failcase however makes me think that he won't be too good.
Anyways: he does rediculous strong things for being just a 2 drop and is already better than Zileanimo
It usually comes down to wether you can control the game until you can cast the glorious evolution (t7-t8). Once you have cast the evolution you are going to stomp the opponent but then again we talk about turn 8+ and getting there is not so easy even with the likes of Tasty Faefolk and Eye of the Dragon
You say your'e simping for Lissandra right now? I prefer simping for that sweet Glorious Evolution. With the help of ionia and Karma there is actually a chance to get the evolution going and once we achieved the evolution a single Vault Breaker can be really devestating
You say your'e simping for Lissandra right now? I prefer simping for that sweet Glorious Evolution. With the help of ionia and Karma there is actually a chance to get the evolution going and once we achieved the evolution a single Vault Breaker can be really devestating
Support tribal will proably never be a good deck because of the strong interdependence of the units played in the deck. A support wants you to have at least 3 units around that then also have to be ready to attack.
That Mountain Sojourners got buffed is nice to have but won't turn the tides for support decks.
However:I have seen a lot of Taric so far, played by myself :) I have been playing TaricGaren buffs and it works well. It resolves around buff cloning and gaining a ton of extra attacks to make the temporary buffs really count.
If you are interested i could share the list later on.
That does sound interesting, please do. I would like to try it and probably try to include the buffed Mountain Sojourners if you haven't already.
I would appreciate feedback if you should try it out.
Discard aggro got Boom Baboon to compensate for the Rummage nerf so no wonder the decks still works.
Overwhelm decks do overwhelm things so no wonder they also work well.
decks run little interaction as people might have already found out time bombs do NOT stop aggro decks from doing their thing and are overall just too clunky to actually work.
Once we have that clear the effectivity of reputation deck should go down by a lot.
Deep kinda surprises me but I am quite sure the tempo decks emerging in this meta will find a way to stop them... they always find a way.
So nothing too concerning here and I think these decks won't stay at their high winrates
Support tribal will proably never be a good deck because of the strong interdependence of the units played in the deck. A support wants you to have at least 3 units around that then also have to be ready to attack.
That Mountain Sojourners got buffed is nice to have but won't turn the tides for support decks.
However:I have seen a lot of Taric so far, played by myself :) I have been playing TaricGaren buffs and it works well. It resolves around buff cloning and gaining a ton of extra attacks to make the temporary buffs really count.
If you are interested i could share the list later on.
I don't really understand why we would start a meta discussion on day 3 of the expansion where several strategies weren't tested yet. There was simply not enough time yet for a meta to come up.
I would guess that we see a meta emerging in 1 - 2 weeks and that it will be midrangeish. But that is pure speculation.
The only thing I noticed is that targon's popularity went down ...
Which is good given that that means less Hush to stop my RivenVi otk setups
I am sorry but I don't even understand what you are trying to tell us.
Was the rant about chronobreak destroying your control setup (which is it's purpose)?
Was it about the game in general?
You really should consider rewriting the post in a way people can read it and in a way it doesn't sound like you just want to let off steam from real life if you want this comment to be taken seriously
While lurk decks might not be top tier or impossible to deal with I really don't like the lurk concept and how the archetype plays.
It is in essence an aggro deck that scales way better into the lategame than other aggro decks while not doing anything much differently that aggro decks did in the past.
The lurk mechanic is about as parasitic as everyone was thinking the only deckbuilding decision is how many predict cards and how many lurker cards you play which is about as deep and interesting as alternating land counts in mtg decks.
The deck has not much interaction and mostly it is about scrying a lurker on top of the deck and turn your creatures sideways. This supe linear gameplan had no chance to work if Riot would not have given every big lurker overwhelm because... why not?
The deck has about the same kind of counterplay every aggro deck has, so once again frostbite, spot removal ... but that that point all these concepts are getting old for me.
The predict archetype however feels pretty luck dependant despite the predict mechanic standing for increased consistancy. You got 1+ Dropboarders into your starting hand from mulliganing? Guess sucks to be you... same as the opponent finding all 3 in his first 3 predicts. Pretty much the same goes for Fallen Feline.
You have only little agency over the random 3 card picks and with cards relying on getting hit by the random selection the skill expressive predict mechanic turns into a gamble. Also is the concept of giving payoffs for predicting more than 1 time each round (which doesn't allow you to actually use the primary predict benefit) kinda silly in my book.
Ekko is a cool champion and I could see his theme working out in many archetypes... if he had enough support within p&z to not rely on Shurima to work. It is just sad to see new archetypes being so restricted that creativity is greatly limited by missing region independence.
Zilean kinda doesn't convince me because he is pretty bland. Sure the designspace for 2 mana champions is rather small but if all a card does is shuffleing mediocre landmarks into your deck then I am not the one buying it. Before this patch I could argue that Zilean was good because there were only few predict cards now there are so many I want to play 1 copy at best.
And for those who want to know how well ViktorGlorious Evolution is going: now... if you get the spell resolved you are most likely going to win but getting a 10 mana slow speed spell going is as hard as everyone thought it would be...
I am still not sold on supporters.
The core issue remains for supporters to rely on other cards and being terrible on their own.
Also support decks first need to develop a board before they get agency.
This gameplan can work in theory but doesn't in practice most of the time especially if the opponent has removal for the units you want to support.
This minion can be very strong but I simply can't see it actually making support viable.
That is the kind of card that might look funny on paper but never really works out unless there is an ally to swap stats with, what I can't think of right now... in general it doesn't convince me
This actually could be the unit that makes support heavier decks a thing.
For now I keep playing Taric Aphelios and call it the day but let's see what happens....
I guess it will be okay in ez draven but neighter Ezreal nor Draven profit that much from a free attack.
In Vi Riven however, where every unit is 5+ power with overwhelm and often enough also elusive a free attack is a "little" better, especially because this is an augment trigger aka 1 bonus attack
This dude is going to enable DIRTY plays in my Riven Vi list...
Oh look an augment 2/6 overwhelm for 5 hmm given how Mechanized Mimic did only okayish in my Vi Riven list I am not too confident that this card is well statted enough
Let's call it second rate Akshan
It will help the Akshan archetype a lot while being just a vanilla unit otherwise so imo strong but boring
Would you pay 4 mana to give a unit 4/2 overwhelm? YES YOU WOULD. Would you play shurima to just do that? I guess not. I currently don't envision any deck besides overwhelm decks that would be great profiteers of this card and I don't know if this card, despite being really strong will make it
He is meant as an inevitable, slow wincondition kinda like lissandra thralls are. I would not be surprised if we would see an all in cooldown reduction build trying to clone his leveled up landmark and burry the opponent in value... if you get to draw him early. The fact that this gameplan has a serious failcase however makes me think that he won't be too good.
Anyways: he does rediculous strong things for being just a 2 drop and is already better than Zileanimo
It usually comes down to wether you can control the game until you can cast the glorious evolution (t7-t8). Once you have cast the evolution you are going to stomp the opponent but then again we talk about turn 8+ and getting there is not so easy even with the likes of Tasty Faefolk and Eye of the Dragon
Dw I got what you meant I just wanted to introduce my deck while trashtalking a little:)
There you go :)
And about Heimerdinger: he is mainly in here to speedlevel Viktor, compensate for the rather low unit count and buff augment units
PS: am I the only one disappointed that Viktor has no voiceline for the glorious evolution? Like it is HIS ONE GOAL and he goes like... who cares?
You say your'e simping for Lissandra right now? I prefer simping for that sweet Glorious Evolution. With the help of ionia and Karma there is actually a chance to get the evolution going and once we achieved the evolution a single Vault Breaker can be really devestating
I would appreciate feedback if you should try it out.
Discard aggro got Boom Baboon to compensate for the Rummage nerf so no wonder the decks still works.
Overwhelm decks do overwhelm things so no wonder they also work well.
decks run little interaction as people might have already found out time bombs do NOT stop aggro decks from doing their thing and are overall just too clunky to actually work.
Once we have that clear the effectivity of reputation deck should go down by a lot.
Deep kinda surprises me but I am quite sure the tempo decks emerging in this meta will find a way to stop them... they always find a way.
So nothing too concerning here and I think these decks won't stay at their high winrates
https://outof.cards/legends-of-runeterra/decks/14364-tarics-beautiful-invasion
There you go. There are spots debateable about this list but that was what I found to be working the best.
Support tribal will proably never be a good deck because of the strong interdependence of the units played in the deck. A support wants you to have at least 3 units around that then also have to be ready to attack.
That Mountain Sojourners got buffed is nice to have but won't turn the tides for support decks.
However: I have seen a lot of Taric so far, played by myself :) I have been playing Taric Garen buffs and it works well. It resolves around buff cloning and gaining a ton of extra attacks to make the temporary buffs really count.
If you are interested i could share the list later on.
I don't really understand why we would start a meta discussion on day 3 of the expansion where several strategies weren't tested yet. There was simply not enough time yet for a meta to come up.
I would guess that we see a meta emerging in 1 - 2 weeks and that it will be midrangeish. But that is pure speculation.
The only thing I noticed is that targon's popularity went down ...
Which is good given that that means less Hush to stop my Riven Vi otk setups
I am sorry but I don't even understand what you are trying to tell us.
Was the rant about chronobreak destroying your control setup (which is it's purpose)?
Was it about the game in general?
You really should consider rewriting the post in a way people can read it and in a way it doesn't sound like you just want to let off steam from real life if you want this comment to be taken seriously
While lurk decks might not be top tier or impossible to deal with I really don't like the lurk concept and how the archetype plays.
It is in essence an aggro deck that scales way better into the lategame than other aggro decks while not doing anything much differently that aggro decks did in the past.
The lurk mechanic is about as parasitic as everyone was thinking the only deckbuilding decision is how many predict cards and how many lurker cards you play which is about as deep and interesting as alternating land counts in mtg decks.
The deck has not much interaction and mostly it is about scrying a lurker on top of the deck and turn your creatures sideways. This supe linear gameplan had no chance to work if Riot would not have given every big lurker overwhelm because... why not?
The deck has about the same kind of counterplay every aggro deck has, so once again frostbite, spot removal ... but that that point all these concepts are getting old for me.
The predict archetype however feels pretty luck dependant despite the predict mechanic standing for increased consistancy. You got 1+ Dropboarders into your starting hand from mulliganing? Guess sucks to be you... same as the opponent finding all 3 in his first 3 predicts. Pretty much the same goes for Fallen Feline.
You have only little agency over the random 3 card picks and with cards relying on getting hit by the random selection the skill expressive predict mechanic turns into a gamble. Also is the concept of giving payoffs for predicting more than 1 time each round (which doesn't allow you to actually use the primary predict benefit) kinda silly in my book.
Ekko is a cool champion and I could see his theme working out in many archetypes... if he had enough support within p&z to not rely on Shurima to work. It is just sad to see new archetypes being so restricted that creativity is greatly limited by missing region independence.
Zilean kinda doesn't convince me because he is pretty bland. Sure the designspace for 2 mana champions is rather small but if all a card does is shuffleing mediocre landmarks into your deck then I am not the one buying it. Before this patch I could argue that Zilean was good because there were only few predict cards now there are so many I want to play 1 copy at best.
And for those who want to know how well Viktor Glorious Evolution is going: now... if you get the spell resolved you are most likely going to win but getting a 10 mana slow speed spell going is as hard as everyone thought it would be...