"Interesting, very interesting," he said whilst thoughtfully rubbing his evil twin goatee. Or was he the regular, non-evil, twin, and the evil twin shaved? The lore implications of shaving related time travel being what they are, I'll give that ol' Demon Hunter list a whirl and continue the push pull, evil/good, to shave or not tug of war of crafting Shadowjeweler Hanar.
For returning players, it depends on the state of their collection before they quit. If they had already collected most of Classic, this does not help them at all.
And everyone playing Standard still has to pay a pretty penny to keep current. This Core set doesn't help you build a decent deck. It only allows you to build "a deck." You will technically be able to play the game, but don't expect a lot of wins. The Core set is very much the free demo version of the game (just as f2p has always been), not the competitive full release.
People were hopelessly confused about how the Galakronds would work, but everyone understood them just fine as soon as they were able to test them out. Given there seems to be much less (Edit to actually finish the sentence:) confusion here overall, I'm sure it'll be easy enough to follow once we see it all in the collection manager.
What I think is a good idea for the HS Classic mode, is the rotation of classes. For example every week three classes can be played with, out of nine. And then the following week another three. This could be a class that was also playable the week before, but it doesn't have to be. These should then be chosen randomly each week.
In this way the Classic meta stays 'new' every week, because of the select availability of classes each week. Thus, the powercreep decks not being continuously playable.
Agreed, the HoF cards should be given priority if they are considered equally, especially as they will actually be usable in the Classic format whereas their replacements won't be.
However, the maths changes if you have (almost) all the HoF cards but lack lots of their replacements. Or of course if you have all of Classic and HoF, you might as well open the packs now. So I'd encourage everyone to decide based on their own circumstances.
If you think about it, it's better to wait to open the classic packs once the core set has been released due to the following upsides:
All Hall of Famed cards were so good they had to be removed from Standard
The cards that were introduced to replace said HoF cards are pretty weak in comparison
Also allows newer players to obtain Legendaries like Ragnaros the Firelord and Sylvanas Windrunner who were immediately Hall of Famed since the inception of the Standard Format
Is anyone aware of what that Core set really means? We are talking about a rental set, where Blizzard will lend us the cards for a year, that is, they are not real cards, they are "illusory" or "ghost" cards that will disappear without a trace.
Obviously, for a newcomer starting to play now, that's a great advantage (while still being a malicious bait) but... what about those of us who ALREADY have those cards as part of our collection? There are already many cards that we have been collecting for years and years but that now they are being loaned indiscriminately to everyone... What benefit are those of us who really have these cards going to have? Are we going to receive any compensation?
A rental set is a stupid idea. Lending cards is absolutely incompatible with a collecting game... What the heck is Blizzard thinking?
So regarding Classic pack, this is how it seems to me:
If you hope to open HoF cards (except Baku & Genn), hold on until after rotation.
If you hope to open recently added Classic cards, open them now.
Have I understood it correctly? I have saved a couple of Classic packs, but I think I have all HoF cards already so it might be best to open them now...
I think the heart of @LilianVoss' comment is that Blizz has been clear on this, but streamers/youtubers have been too hasty in discussing it before they have taken in all the details themselves. This has apparently led to some of them spreading a bit of misinformation about whether it is a good idea to disenchant original versions of cards that will in the Core set.
You can take shots at Blizzard's 'laziness' if you want, but in truth the players make this problem for themselves. While it is true that there are occasionally metas where decks are truly dominant (e.g. DH at the start of Ashes of Outland), most of the time there are actually plenty of viable decks that people choose not to play, as they insist on only net-decking the top few.
So the issue is not that cards aren't usable, but that competitive ranks are dominated by 'Spikes' who most enjoy maximising win-rates and inevitably skew the meta to look like there's only 3 or 4 viable decks. As a result it wouldn't matter if Blizz buffed cards more often, because there's always going to be a bit of variation in win rates and Spikes will still end up only using the top 3 or 4 decks.
Now, in an ideal world competitive ranks would look like low ranks just with better players, and the 'Timmy's and 'Johnny's will help populate the meta with the full spread of viable decks. Then the players who care lots about winning but also really want to play with their full collection can rejoice that the illusion of there only being 3 or 4 viable decks has been broken.
But that's a naive pipe dream. In reality those players need to see through the illusion for themselves, and be willing to just play the decks they enjoy. Either those decks end up performing much better than you were expecting anyway (case in point: I reached Legend in December with unrefined shuffle rogue and token DH decks), or your MMR falls enough that you encounter more like-minded players and you actually begin to see more diverse decks being played.
Wild is a great example of this. People always point out the top few decks and lament the 'fact' that 99% of their cards are useless, but at low(ish) ranks most people are just playing their own janky decks without a care in the world for the meta, and it's brilliant down there!
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Tl;dr: Spikes kinda ruin the game for players with different mindsets, but not nearly so much as it sometimes seems.
I think the heart of @LilianVoss' comment is that Blizz has been clear on this, but streamers/youtubers have been too hasty in discussing it before they have taken in all the details themselves. This has apparently led to some of them spreading a bit of misinformation about whether it is a good idea to disenchant original versions of cards that will in the Core set.
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"Interesting, very interesting," he said whilst thoughtfully rubbing his evil twin goatee. Or was he the regular, non-evil, twin, and the evil twin shaved? The lore implications of shaving related time travel being what they are, I'll give that ol' Demon Hunter list a whirl and continue the push pull, evil/good, to shave or not tug of war of crafting Shadowjeweler Hanar.
Hearthstone's New Completely Free Core Set Will Have 235 Cards - Basic & Classic Move to Wild, New Classic Format
For returning players, it depends on the state of their collection before they quit. If they had already collected most of Classic, this does not help them at all.
And everyone playing Standard still has to pay a pretty penny to keep current. This Core set doesn't help you build a decent deck. It only allows you to build "a deck." You will technically be able to play the game, but don't expect a lot of wins. The Core set is very much the free demo version of the game (just as f2p has always been), not the competitive full release.
All The Hearthstone Cards That Will be Reverted For The New Classic Game Mode
If you really hate priest you'll play Classic. We'll see.
Celestalon Answers Community Questions on the Upcoming Hearthstone Classic Mode, Core and Legacy Card Sets
People were hopelessly confused about how the Galakronds would work, but everyone understood them just fine as soon as they were able to test them out. Given there seems to be much less (Edit to actually finish the sentence:) confusion here overall, I'm sure it'll be easy enough to follow once we see it all in the collection manager.
All The Hearthstone Cards That Will be Reverted For The New Classic Game Mode
What about the "Sorry" emote? Can we use it in Classic Format?
Hearthstone's New Completely Free Core Set Will Have 235 Cards - Basic & Classic Move to Wild, New Classic Format
What I think is a good idea for the HS Classic mode, is the rotation of classes. For example every week three classes can be played with, out of nine. And then the following week another three. This could be a class that was also playable the week before, but it doesn't have to be. These should then be chosen randomly each week.
In this way the Classic meta stays 'new' every week, because of the select availability of classes each week. Thus, the powercreep decks not being continuously playable.
Hearthstone's New Completely Free Core Set Will Have 235 Cards - Basic & Classic Move to Wild, New Classic Format
Agreed, the HoF cards should be given priority if they are considered equally, especially as they will actually be usable in the Classic format whereas their replacements won't be.
However, the maths changes if you have (almost) all the HoF cards but lack lots of their replacements. Or of course if you have all of Classic and HoF, you might as well open the packs now. So I'd encourage everyone to decide based on their own circumstances.
All The Hearthstone Cards That Will be Reverted For The New Classic Game Mode
Illidan too
Celestalon Answers Community Questions on the Upcoming Hearthstone Classic Mode, Core and Legacy Card Sets
Legacy? Classic? Two types of the same card (nerfed/unnerfed)? Maybe I'm too old, but all this seems too complicated for me.
Hearthstone's New Completely Free Core Set Will Have 235 Cards - Basic & Classic Move to Wild, New Classic Format
If you think about it, it's better to wait to open the classic packs once the core set has been released due to the following upsides:
Hearthstone's New Completely Free Core Set Will Have 235 Cards - Basic & Classic Move to Wild, New Classic Format
Maybe at least something about that elusive game mode
All The Hearthstone Cards That Will be Reverted For The New Classic Game Mode
Bane of Doom will also be able to summon Doomguard, won't it?
All The Hearthstone Cards That Will be Reverted For The New Classic Game Mode
I still hope they will do those reverts fr many cards aswlel for WILD.
Would be a real shame if arent part of the core set and in wild only and still onlt get unnerfed in the classic format.
Hearthstone's New Completely Free Core Set Will Have 235 Cards - Basic & Classic Move to Wild, New Classic Format
Flametonque Totem aswell
Hearthstone's New Completely Free Core Set Will Have 235 Cards - Basic & Classic Move to Wild, New Classic Format
Is anyone aware of what that Core set really means? We are talking about a rental set, where Blizzard will lend us the cards for a year, that is, they are not real cards, they are "illusory" or "ghost" cards that will disappear without a trace.
Obviously, for a newcomer starting to play now, that's a great advantage (while still being a malicious bait) but... what about those of us who ALREADY have those cards as part of our collection? There are already many cards that we have been collecting for years and years but that now they are being loaned indiscriminately to everyone... What benefit are those of us who really have these cards going to have? Are we going to receive any compensation?
A rental set is a stupid idea. Lending cards is absolutely incompatible with a collecting game... What the heck is Blizzard thinking?
All The Hearthstone Cards That Will be Reverted For The New Classic Game Mode
Mountain Giant wasn't an elemental until a couple of years ago. Or am I thinking of something else.
Prepping for Rotation and Classic
So regarding Classic pack, this is how it seems to me:
If you hope to open HoF cards (except Baku & Genn), hold on until after rotation.
If you hope to open recently added Classic cards, open them now.
Have I understood it correctly? I have saved a couple of Classic packs, but I think I have all HoF cards already so it might be best to open them now...
Celestalon Answers Community Questions on the Upcoming Hearthstone Classic Mode, Core and Legacy Card Sets
Silly streamers!
;p
My Little Rant on Hearthstone
My counter rant
You can take shots at Blizzard's 'laziness' if you want, but in truth the players make this problem for themselves. While it is true that there are occasionally metas where decks are truly dominant (e.g. DH at the start of Ashes of Outland), most of the time there are actually plenty of viable decks that people choose not to play, as they insist on only net-decking the top few.
So the issue is not that cards aren't usable, but that competitive ranks are dominated by 'Spikes' who most enjoy maximising win-rates and inevitably skew the meta to look like there's only 3 or 4 viable decks. As a result it wouldn't matter if Blizz buffed cards more often, because there's always going to be a bit of variation in win rates and Spikes will still end up only using the top 3 or 4 decks.
Now, in an ideal world competitive ranks would look like low ranks just with better players, and the 'Timmy's and 'Johnny's will help populate the meta with the full spread of viable decks. Then the players who care lots about winning but also really want to play with their full collection can rejoice that the illusion of there only being 3 or 4 viable decks has been broken.
But that's a naive pipe dream. In reality those players need to see through the illusion for themselves, and be willing to just play the decks they enjoy. Either those decks end up performing much better than you were expecting anyway (case in point: I reached Legend in December with unrefined shuffle rogue and token DH decks), or your MMR falls enough that you encounter more like-minded players and you actually begin to see more diverse decks being played.
Wild is a great example of this. People always point out the top few decks and lament the 'fact' that 99% of their cards are useless, but at low(ish) ranks most people are just playing their own janky decks without a care in the world for the meta, and it's brilliant down there!
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Tl;dr: Spikes kinda ruin the game for players with different mindsets, but not nearly so much as it sometimes seems.
Prepping for Rotation and Classic
while I don't know if it's gonna be like Basic HoF that turns into common cards, but I'll still try to get it tho.
Celestalon Answers Community Questions on the Upcoming Hearthstone Classic Mode, Core and Legacy Card Sets
What if you disenchant the parrots and Murk-Eye now. Will you be able to get them again through the achievement?
New Demacia Spell - Molten Breath
Why does this card say fury instead of dragon ? If it did it still wouldn't be great but at least Hush won't be able to counter it.
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All The Hearthstone Cards That Will be Reverted For The New Classic Game Mode
Sacrificial Pact should also be on the list, no?
Celestalon Answers Community Questions on the Upcoming Hearthstone Classic Mode, Core and Legacy Card Sets
I think the heart of @LilianVoss' comment is that Blizz has been clear on this, but streamers/youtubers have been too hasty in discussing it before they have taken in all the details themselves. This has apparently led to some of them spreading a bit of misinformation about whether it is a good idea to disenchant original versions of cards that will in the Core set.