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Very happy about this, today i litterally only faced demon hunters, it was ridiculous.

At first i ranked up quickly from rank 4 to rank 1 with galak warlock, with a winning streak, basically farming them; i was pretty sure that my deck hard countered them;

after that i guess my mmr increased or people got better at using DH or just were using better list, i started losing a lot of games despite even teching a couple more cards to beat them.

The class is absurdly broken, there is no denying it, the fact that they are going to nerf it already is a proof of how insanely broken it is.

It made the first day of the rotation really a miserable experience, playing like 20 games versus only one class (and a broken one, at that) is something that should never happen, good thing they are going to nerf demon hunter right away (it raises some questions about why they release it in this state in the first place tho) 

And it's only the forth month! lol

If Albatross is on the board, kill it, then play this. 
Albatross shuffles your deck.

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Demon Warlock counters it.

Ironic...

Not really.. theoretically sact pact is good against them but they don't actually run that many demons.

Tracking also guarantees 2 cards you wont draw next

Hopefully DH stays popular in Wild in its fastest iterations, we need more Aggro down there, to cripple Quest Mages (and revamp Control a little bit).

no.. it's not DH is strong by too much of a big margin it's worse than galakround shaman.

This is surprisingly predictable...!

I agree with that Twin Slice is a bit of a problem. But I expect this to be one of many nerfs to be decided later, if we were to take galakrond shaman as a case example.

Still, let's hope this does not end dhunters as a class prematurely. I wanna have fun with the class too, just not at the present OP levels.

How about something obvious while we are at it. Shouldn't Outcast only apply to cards on the far left? I mean a card you just got can't very well be an Outcast yet, no?

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Isn't it just premature?

Lol no.  This class is just insane.  You say most other classes haven't figured out how to beat it yet; I say DH hasn't even figure out what the most optimal decklist is yet. 

Only those 4 cards will be nerfed?

I feel like there are a lot more broken cards, think they should hit the early game more.

My suggested nerfs:

the 4 mentioned:

Eye Beam: 1 mana when outcasted.

Imprisoned Antaen - 6/6 deal 6 when awakened. (10 is a lot also his stats are too much attack..)

Skull of Gul'dan - reduces cost by 1.

Aldrachi Warblades - 2/2 (-1 durability)

Other cards that I think deserve the nerf :

Altruis the Outcast - costs 4, does too much for how cheap he is.

Umberwing - summons 1 1/1, already does enough with the weapon.. no need to add so much tempo..

Battlefiend - 2/1 or costs 2 mana. seriously this thing is broke who thought it was a good idea?

Twin Slice and Second Slice - cost 1 mana each. (I think this card is the most problematic in the class.. a twin spell that costs.. 0 sure..)

Priestess of Fury -  6/6, so Siamat can kill her.

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Isn't it just premature?The cards are just out one day.  It's a while new class shouldn't we let it be for a little while and see how everyone reacts?  There has to be a way for most classes to beat it but they just haven't found the right deck yet.

Hsreplay showing dhunters total domination on both standard and arena, how much longer should we wait?

My guess;

Skull of Gul'dan - Outcast to lower cost by 2 or 1. Either that, or the cost to be increased to 6

Imprisoned Antaen - cost 1 more, or deal only 5 damage on wake. 10/6 stats to be toned to 8/5.

Eye Beam - deal 2 damage or cost 1 with outcast

Aldrachi Warblades - cost 4, or is 2/2 now

I know we have had our differences, but I don't want to see dhunters get nerfed to the ground. Just toned down so the class actually has a semblance of a weakness.

But team5 has got to stop printing cards for week 1 nerfs. Glad they are addressing it, but this should have been theoretically dealt with before its even shown to us.

Already milked it to legend! Glad to see the nerfs just in time :)

Well... THAT escalated quickly!

Illidan was probably gloating about how death catches up to everyone except him, but then he forgot to tie his shoes. 

Isn't it just premature?The cards are just out one day.  It's a while new class shouldn't we let it be for a little while and see how everyone reacts?  There has to be a way for most classes to beat it but they just haven't found the right deck yet.

Wow! Awesome! Thanks! 😁✌️

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- This one should be a no brainer. Not every class can clear a 10/6 that destroys your board and a 6/7 that snowballs when not removed.

 

This is the second point you've made on the basis of "not every class can do that." The fact is, not every class has to. A metagame is built on the kinds of rock-paper-scissors relationships that different classes have as a result of their specific strengths and weaknesses. We only need a couple decent control decks to keep Demon Hunter in check, and then some other class can come in and prey on those control decks.

Now, even when you're playing the paper to Demon Hunter's scissors in that set up, you'll want to have access to some ways to try and mitigate those losses. Waste Warden and Doomsayer are probably decent AoE tools for a class that lacks it's own AoE and needs to clean up a board of small demons, and Big Game Hunter is around for clearing those pesky large minions. And if you're struggling against the combo version or their powerful outcast cards, run Unseen Saboteur. This is fundamentally what these various tech cards are for - to shore up your class weaknesses against the metagame.

I can accept some of the arguments you're making but let's expand on this one in particular. I reiterate my opinion that every class has to have the tools to deal with the specifics of other classes. That's what we call as a balanced and healthy meta. If Galakrond rogue and highlander mage in the previous meta has absurdly good late games, then classes aiming to match them should target their weakness which is lack of healing and poor early game. Dragon and embiggen decks can be countered with Dragonmaw Poacher, etc.

Against dhunters, however, it is clear that they do have a weakness to board clears but because they reload just as quickly using cards like Skull of Gul'dan, their true weakness is board swings, i.e. clearing their board and developing minions, preferably big ones. We can assume that was the intention when Waste Warden was created, but its clear that their fantastic mid game supplements their early game so well that that weakness to board clear is suitably dealt with by playing big minions like Imprisoned Antaen and Priestess of Fury.

To put a case example, how is hunter supposed to deal with dhunters, like any archetype from dhunters? They can't target the early game, dhunters tempo tools outclasses their minions (0 mana Eye Beam, jesus) not to mention that dhunters have access to the best early minions in the game. They cant race them, dhunters heal too well. They certainly can't match up to dhunter's midgame minions of Imprisoned Antaen and Priestess of Fury. They can try combo, but because they cant draw that's inconsistent at best. They can buff their minions and go for dhunter's weakness to big minions, except this gets absolutely destroyed by an earlier board that they cannot deal with. So the best way to deal with this, is to not deal with it, which is why we're seeing face hunter being the best deck for the class currently according to hsreplay, performing abysmally against dhunters.

The class is ripe for nerfs, its only a matter of time. To close my side of the argument, dhunters are at the top of the hsreplay tier list, dominating tier 1 and taking off nearly half of all tier 2. They are the only class with over 50% win rate, and 20% more than the lowest class. They are too consistent in what they do, and their "weakness" cannot be exploited by all the classes. This was the main problem with the early galakrond shaman, and I expect team5 to deal with dhunters in the same way.

Fastest nerf in the west

Little surprised Priestess of Fury is evading the nerf stick. That card has felt consistently broken, both playing it and playing against it. Antaen is at least bad when you're behind.

I hope they fix the Baku - Eye Beam bug