I assumed Cora meant the minion returns to their hand after they kill the sack, which would be a 0/4 deathrattle on your side of the board. Either way, it occurs to me you wouldn't be able to get the minion out of the sack even if you can Shadowstep it, so there's no Stockholm Syndrome here.
He's a super salt mine and honestly, it would be better if he just stopped playing Hearthstone at this point. I'm sure his mental health would improve too.
Prime example of how to engage. I'm surprised Blizzard even bothers to engage with him anymore.
They are definitely fine together. I wonder if the biggest reason they don't generally do it is because they want to strongly incentivise combo activation as the core part of rogue gameplay, and having a half-strength version as a battlecry means players would often not need to.
When looking through the combo spells, even they don't typically scale with combo, with the closest since Classic being tutoring an extra card type. (With Swindle you often didn't pay too much attention to the fact you got a spell and a minion, hence why I counted it above. But it feels more significant with, say, Raiding Party.) So there must be some design preference to make combo activate truly new effects.
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Lol. That butterknife isn't helping him get out of that bind.
I assume you can Shadowstep the sack and make the opponent cry. Would that be like HS's version of Stockholm syndrome when you then play the minion on your side?
Since combo seems overwrites the battlecry, they only really work together for scaling effects, meaning we kinda have seen it lots of times with all the Edwin-eqsue cards, including the 2 we got this expansion.
The alternative is to use combo to completely switch up the effect and effectively turn it into a choose one card, which I suspect they have avoided so druid continues to feel special.
You could also argue any spell which scales with combo (e.g. Eviscerate, Cold Blood and maybe something like Swindle) is exactly the same thing. After all, what is a battlecry if not a spell on a stick? Plus any minion or weapon whose combo gains stats is really just scaling the base 'battlecry' version (I'm being very liberal with the use of battlecry there, I know).
So while yes, they technically haven't touched the obvious battlecry + combo... erm, combo, they also arguably have.
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Being rude gives him more popularity I assume. Sad and too bad :(
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Yup, sadly no shenanigans to be had.
Kidnap is a New Rogue Secret Coming to Hearthstone in the Castle Nathria Expansion - Revealed by Blizzard
I assumed Cora meant the minion returns to their hand after they kill the sack, which would be a 0/4 deathrattle on your side of the board. Either way, it occurs to me you wouldn't be able to get the minion out of the sack even if you can Shadowstep it, so there's no Stockholm Syndrome here.
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This is truly hilarious. It can get passed those damned illusive minions.
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The flavor this expansion is 10/10. I can't wait to see the token for this. Hilarious.
Kidnap is a New Rogue Secret Coming to Hearthstone in the Castle Nathria Expansion - Revealed by Blizzard
It shouldn't, secrets like Explosive Runes trigger after the battlecry has triggered.
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He's a super salt mine and honestly, it would be better if he just stopped playing Hearthstone at this point. I'm sure his mental health would improve too.
Prime example of how to engage. I'm surprised Blizzard even bothers to engage with him anymore.
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They are definitely fine together. I wonder if the biggest reason they don't generally do it is because they want to strongly incentivise combo activation as the core part of rogue gameplay, and having a half-strength version as a battlecry means players would often not need to.
When looking through the combo spells, even they don't typically scale with combo, with the closest since Classic being tutoring an extra card type. (With Swindle you often didn't pay too much attention to the fact you got a spell and a minion, hence why I counted it above. But it feels more significant with, say, Raiding Party.) So there must be some design preference to make combo activate truly new effects.
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Assuming it works the way that other Secrets + Battlecry interactions do, which should be the case, Battlecry resolves before the Secret. See Snipe.
The way it works is:
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It does not trigger before the opponent's battlecry, does it ? :-(
EDIT : Shame. I'd love to have at least one silencing secret in hearthstone.
Thanks for your answers.
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No, the minion goes back to their hand in a 0/4 sack according to Cora.
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Lol. That butterknife isn't helping him get out of that bind.
I assume you can Shadowstep the sack and make the opponent cry. Would that be like HS's version of Stockholm syndrome when you then play the minion on your side?
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Wow dude, you may not like the cards, but there's no reason to get this angry at the developers..
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Damn, what is Alex's problem?? This is a pretty fun card in my opinion...
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And I use this exact argument in HS groups to support why Battlecry/Combo cards should be fine.
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I like this, but I get the feeling it might be a "too many moving parts" situation to get this card to consistently perform well.
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Since combo seems overwrites the battlecry, they only really work together for scaling effects, meaning we kinda have seen it lots of times with all the Edwin-eqsue cards, including the 2 we got this expansion.
The alternative is to use combo to completely switch up the effect and effectively turn it into a choose one card, which I suspect they have avoided so druid continues to feel special.
You could also argue any spell which scales with combo (e.g. Eviscerate, Cold Blood and maybe something like Swindle) is exactly the same thing. After all, what is a battlecry if not a spell on a stick? Plus any minion or weapon whose combo gains stats is really just scaling the base 'battlecry' version (I'm being very liberal with the use of battlecry there, I know).
So while yes, they technically haven't touched the obvious battlecry + combo... erm, combo, they also arguably have.
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Given how things turned out, I really wish you were right.