Hungry albatrosses that hordes around your ship with "Gaaaaarkk, Gaaarks", while you are trying to observe what kind of enemy you are facing of.
"Are these clouds? No planes !? NO OMG THEY ARE FREAKING ALBATROSSES !!!"
@Farfelee Well, they are more like seagulls since albatrosses hunt alone but that's blizzard's missed call not yours so I am giving the deck +1 which is what I can give most. Damn, even image is a seagull not an albatross. Look that silly bird ...
I don't get why these new scrubs are downvoting you, because this is so true, blizzard is super shitty for doing stuff like this.... We older players don't apparently mean shit to them, we made the game being kept online possible but no, they just want more and more, greedy shits, that's what they are. New players stop downvoting the truth!
I’ve been playing since GvG and I still think that this argument is kind of ridiculous. Like, I could understand it if it was some collectible you could get for accomplishing something at a certain time (like maybe being one of the first however many people to beat a difficult boss or something), but getting upset at them bringing back monthly cardbacks and other similar things really doesn’t make sense to me.
The thing is, the things that they’re bringing back are little more than participation trophies. For Tyrande you only needed to do a free trial, and for the monthlies you just needed to get to rank 20/win 5 ranked games (depending on when it was). Waving around a participation trophy as proof that you were there is just that, proof that you were there. Not that you actually accomplished anything interesting, just that you decided to play the game that month.
For the most part the people I see getting upset are the same people that are trying to argue that the monthly cardbacks are some kind of achievement, they really aren’t. These people need to just stop trying to act superior to newer players
well, you completely misunderstand or I express things wrongly to make you misunderstand.
I'm not acting superior to newer players. I'm trying to plot a route for them. I feel like I'm being tricked and decided to not support them anymore so I'm trying to explain why I decided to do this with my reasons to people who might buy something from Blizzard just because they are time limited. I just warned them to not make the mistake I do and suggesting to not buy anything just because they are time limited.
Is it really trying to act superior to newer players or giving suggestions to newer players who might be tricked ?
That's why I am saying that people are willingly refuse everything here. I am so friendly towards who doesn't own the skin but they pretend like I am attacking them.
I am saying them "Live long", They are answering me as "DIE INSECT" and the end of the day I am the selfish one while they are "The Man".
I must admit that I am interested in this discussion mainly because of its philosophic aspect. I don't give a damn about me or anyone else owning Tyrande. So I've explained the problem to my girlfriend and we tried to solve it from a moralist point of view. Here's what we concluded:
People should focus on themselves. That means, there WAS a "cost" for obtaining the original Tyrande, no matter how big or small. But OP among other players deemed this cost worth the reward at the time. And this is where the discussion should end. The fact that somebody else gets his or her hands on the same reward for less or no cost is irrelevant to your own experience. You can still enjoy your skin. Other people don't directly influence you in a negative way.
My girlfriend related to the Tyrande-issue with a story from school: there was a pupil who was allowed to leave early once a week (don't know why). Another pupil went forth and asked the prinicipal to be allowed to leave early as well - that's just fine, everybody can plead for equal rights. But when the second pupil was rejected (probably because nr. 1 had reasons nr. 2 couldn't provide), nr. 2 then asked to strip nr. 1 from their privilege to reinstate equality. And this is not okay. As long as nr. 2 isn't directly or indirectly harmed by nr. 1s privilege, nr. 2 may try to get it for his/herself, but should refrain from trying to pull down nr. 1.
OP repeated several times he is angry at blizzard and happy for other people getting Tyrande, I didn't miss that. So there's no actively trying to pull someone else down. But, and that's my whole point, as long as there's no downside in the new deal for you, there's no base for a complaint. Tyrande was worth it at the time you paid for her and that's it. I can understand and I do respect your frustration and your decision to not longer support Blizzard with real money because of this, but I've come to a different conclusion for myself. Thanks for raising the issue to my attention in the first place though, I gained something from this discussion, too.
I'm glad that you can gain something from the discussion.
I will keep suggesting people to not support Hearthstone anyways. I care for people's thoughts who doesn't attack directly I am just being toxic if they attack directly to me while I am addressing Hearthstone/Blizzard team. I have begun the thread as even I didn't support Hearthstone/Blizzard since Ragnaros and won't support anymore after this move. That's the only case here. I have explained myself enough to people that claims I'm selfish. I don't really care their thoughts anymore but comments like this and some others above are really important to me. They might understand this "He absolutely care just people who own the skin." but it isn't like that. People with some emphathy in them are obvious here.
They should evaluate their standards of judgement again. They all think justice and equality are same things. I have even shared an image just because of that.
I've said that in my OP and wanted to repeat again, The thing that you think is easy might not be that easy to anyone. Ok, I didn't give up on something to play on that month or getting to those skin but even it is like that, it won't change the truth; You don't know that I gave up on something to be able to obtain them or not. I might be given up to play other games in order to play hearthstone in that month or might be taken to be arrested by faking my adress etc. (I know that's silly but the point here is not that). You can't know. I also understand that I can't know why you couldn't own the skin with the same way but I am already not attacking anyone who doesn't own the skin. I am adressing Blizzard. Not them.
For whom thinks I use pompous language; bla bla Something Something addressing blizzard here not you something .
But the value of veterans or exclusivity is also in how hard something is/was to earn.
Something that just requires you to be in the right place at the right time could FEEL exclusive, but it is NOT VALUABLE at all.
I repeat, while i understand in principle, we should also look at the substance of things. Tyrande was not hard to earn, she was basically free, it has no golden age trait (ie beta players), so her value is little to none.
This is not 1k portraits given for free to everyone.
limited-time means "impossible to earn anymore" no matter how easy it was to obtain so "Impossible to obtain now" makes it valuable. "was" from now.
1k portraits are meaningless. They are at lesser tier after basic ones. Everyone will obtain those in time.
And yes; In my eyes, the most valuable piece of my collection is golden Gelbin Mekkatorque but it is not guaranteed that blizzard won't give it away to keep others in the game after Ragnaros card back and Tyrande Skin. The point is this already.
Also Gelbin Mekkatorque also wasn't hard to obtain but it doesn't change the truth that it is one of the rarest cards of the game with Golden Elite Tauren Chieftain. People might not give value for them but it's valuable for me and I'm sad that I couldn't obtain Elite Tauren Chieftain because Blizzcon 2013 was in a different country but never whined about it.
Let me ask you another question: are you also mad you can purchase old adventures with money?
For a long time you couldn't so only veteran players could enjoy Naxxramas or Blackrock Mountain bosses. Now this also lost its exclusivity.
Or are you mad only about Tyrande cause you can't show off adventures to other players?
no I won't be mad about adventures because it is a game content that you can play. I'm already ok with giving players to be able to buy adventures with in-game gold, how they were when they have been released.
It is not about showing them btw. It is about pve content that players can play. I would be mad if they give all the rewarded cards for free tho. I don't like the skin just because I like to show it or it is fancy. One of the reasons I have shared my thoughts about Ragnaros card back is that. I don't even like that card back for its fancy appearance. I don't even like its appearance. I like its rarity. How less people own that in the time. I like to see someone who obtained that in the game and then think like "ah, an old player like me.".
With giving Tyrande to everyone, it loses its rarity and it is not as same value as before for me no matter how fancy it is. I gave it value for its rarity, not its appearance or animations or quotes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about quality. They are different. Think that like a tier list and make its tiers like; Free Tier, Rare Tier, Buyable Tier, etc. Rare Tier is S-Tier, Buyable Tier is Tier-1 and Free Tier is Tier-2. Tyrande might be the highest quality piece of the Free Tier now but not valuable than any other Rare Tier skins anymore.
That's not comperable with adventures. Adventures have playable in-game content. They are not cosmetics.I'm ok with everything about adventures unless they are giving all the rewarded cards for free.
Didn't you collect anything in your life ? If you don't, than its normal that you can't understand me.
Here's one more, a bit mixed opinion. I do not put that much value on this portrait, but I feel OP is getting too much hate.
I support Blizz decision on bringing her back, it really will mean a lot to a fair amount of people (it even got my brother interested in the game again). The more excitement and more player interest - the better for everyone. And more Tyrandes instead of BMduins sounds good to me.
But! That skin really was a sign that you played at that time and met necessary conditions to obtain it. For people that could legally obtain her, it's basically the same as any card back that we can't obtain anymore. Speaking of which, I bet most of us gave that one they really want but will never get just because they weren't there then. But we do not complain, nor we should. That feeling of being there, doing that is of value to some people and it should be respected imo. I am also one of those that likes rare and shiny, be it the old exclusive portrait, card back or golden legendary.
I think that no one would complain if players that already had the skin got something in compensation. Even a pack would mean something: they are not forgotten and the company cares about every player. I really liked the idea of bringing different color Tyrande specifically. Maybe Blizzard didn't think of this enough, if Riot could do this for their players, it certainly isn't a terrible idea.
I really can't understand why people is opposing us to be compensated while we're glad they are finally getting the skin.
I am saying that "While there are so much ways to make all people happy, Blizzard chose only a group of community to make happy. It is wrong." and all are attacking me like "You were on that group when you got Tyrande but we were not. You don't even make an effort to get it! You are supposed to be happy for us.". That's not my problem, like how I am not compensated today is not your problem too. I am being selfish to call that but you are not. True story.
I can even say "I'm glad that you guys can finally get the skin" but people can't say "We will be glad if you will be compensated." Ok guys, I'm selfish here and you are not.
For * We don't know why, but old Adventures are not purchasable with Gold unless you've already bought a wing in the past.
I remember it like; When first time they decided to stop producing Adventures, they had said that It will be available to purchase with gold only if you bought a wing with gold. I've suggested everyone to buy them with gold at least one wing because it won't be available to buy with gold in future in that time (to my roommates at least), so it might be about that.
Well, they also said that wild packs won't be available in that time but after that they said it would be nice to add them to the shop in future. Now they are adding them.
Blizzard might be the most inconsistent company of all times. Not just for Hearthstone, it is like that for all other games of them.
I know zoo as multiple tag synergies with low-cost pieces/examples of minion tribes like using beasts/demons/mechs with around their own synergies and with lots of draws. Like discarding beasts with discarding mechs or beasts that gives buffs to demons etc.
While aggro decks get out of cards(yay outof.cards :P) quickly, zoo decks has an ability to empty and fill quicker. That makes the deck aggressive. It is a little bit different than aggro but similar in some ways.
It will be more healthy for us and also for forum to end the discussion here because there's nothing left to discuss.
Noone has any another arguments, all have expressed their thoughts, we agreed or not. You saw who thinks like you, I saw someone also thinks like me even there are few.
Thank you all for discussing it with me. I've gained something here, I hope you did too.
Cards like Fate Weaver, Grave Rune and so much removal including Galakrond itself and Lazul's whole theme with Galakrond's hero power; I guess blizzard wants us to play only Combo and Steal Shaman Priest(Sorry).
Considering they are not giving a real win condition to priests and keeping only Inner Fire/Divine Spirit they want probably make those meme-y epics that is mentioned below viable.
Actually, there are some win conditions with Leeroy Jenkins/Grave Rune and Fate Weaver with Inner Fire/Charge comboes but I really want something more creative than Inner Fire for future priest. Ok, class identity something, Priest buffs, something but Inner Fire really bores so much after those years.
Galakrond Shaman will be more famaous for shaman lists for sure rather than spell damage/dragon decks but I personally think that Squallhunter is more fearsome than Flamewreathed Faceless because of its synergy and dragon tag.
There is not more of dragon buff cards but shaman have murloc package and there is [Hearthstone Card (tasty fylfish) Not Found] which can buff Squallhunter into 7/9. It might be a sleeper tempo play in shaman lists but i think that Galakrond hype left it in the shade.
Dragon/murloc tempo Shaman might even be a think tbh. Skyfin + Tasty Flyfish + Some Dragons + Some spells are enough to do that with bloodlust. Ah and there is also Underbelly Angler. I will make a deck around those guys.
don't worry and don't feel old, feel wise and experienced ;)
Hungry albatrosses that hordes around your ship with "Gaaaaarkk, Gaaarks", while you are trying to observe what kind of enemy you are facing of.
"Are these clouds? No planes !? NO OMG THEY ARE FREAKING ALBATROSSES !!!"
@Farfelee Well, they are more like seagulls since albatrosses hunt alone but that's blizzard's missed call not yours so I am giving the deck +1 which is what I can give most. Damn, even image is a seagull not an albatross. Look that silly bird ...
C'mon guys it is not so hard. I want to guess so answer it :D
You really need Youthful Brewmaster for that ? I mean, just play both copies at 4 mana :D
Ah and, giving rogue hp to priest might be funny and easier in rogue because of more bounces but best is giving ridiculous totems to anyone :D
well, you completely misunderstand or I express things wrongly to make you misunderstand.
I'm not acting superior to newer players. I'm trying to plot a route for them. I feel like I'm being tricked and decided to not support them anymore so I'm trying to explain why I decided to do this with my reasons to people who might buy something from Blizzard just because they are time limited. I just warned them to not make the mistake I do and suggesting to not buy anything just because they are time limited.
Is it really trying to act superior to newer players or giving suggestions to newer players who might be tricked ?
That's why I am saying that people are willingly refuse everything here. I am so friendly towards who doesn't own the skin but they pretend like I am attacking them.
I am saying them "Live long", They are answering me as "DIE INSECT" and the end of the day I am the selfish one while they are "The Man".
I'm glad that you can gain something from the discussion.
I will keep suggesting people to not support Hearthstone anyways. I care for people's thoughts who doesn't attack directly I am just being toxic if they attack directly to me while I am addressing Hearthstone/Blizzard team. I have begun the thread as even I didn't support Hearthstone/Blizzard since Ragnaros and won't support anymore after this move. That's the only case here. I have explained myself enough to people that claims I'm selfish. I don't really care their thoughts anymore but comments like this and some others above are really important to me. They might understand this "He absolutely care just people who own the skin." but it isn't like that. People with some emphathy in them are obvious here.
They should evaluate their standards of judgement again. They all think justice and equality are same things. I have even shared an image just because of that.
I've said that in my OP and wanted to repeat again, The thing that you think is easy might not be that easy to anyone. Ok, I didn't give up on something to play on that month or getting to those skin but even it is like that, it won't change the truth; You don't know that I gave up on something to be able to obtain them or not. I might be given up to play other games in order to play hearthstone in that month or might be taken to be arrested by faking my adress etc. (I know that's silly but the point here is not that). You can't know. I also understand that I can't know why you couldn't own the skin with the same way but I am already not attacking anyone who doesn't own the skin. I am adressing Blizzard. Not them.
For whom thinks I use pompous language; bla bla Something Something addressing blizzard here not you something .
limited-time means "impossible to earn anymore" no matter how easy it was to obtain so "Impossible to obtain now" makes it valuable. "was" from now.
1k portraits are meaningless. They are at lesser tier after basic ones. Everyone will obtain those in time.
And yes; In my eyes, the most valuable piece of my collection is golden Gelbin Mekkatorque but it is not guaranteed that blizzard won't give it away to keep others in the game after Ragnaros card back and Tyrande Skin. The point is this already.
Also Gelbin Mekkatorque also wasn't hard to obtain but it doesn't change the truth that it is one of the rarest cards of the game with Golden Elite Tauren Chieftain. People might not give value for them but it's valuable for me and I'm sad that I couldn't obtain Elite Tauren Chieftain because Blizzcon 2013 was in a different country but never whined about it.
no I won't be mad about adventures because it is a game content that you can play. I'm already ok with giving players to be able to buy adventures with in-game gold, how they were when they have been released.
It is not about showing them btw. It is about pve content that players can play. I would be mad if they give all the rewarded cards for free tho. I don't like the skin just because I like to show it or it is fancy. One of the reasons I have shared my thoughts about Ragnaros card back is that. I don't even like that card back for its fancy appearance. I don't even like its appearance. I like its rarity. How less people own that in the time. I like to see someone who obtained that in the game and then think like "ah, an old player like me.".
With giving Tyrande to everyone, it loses its rarity and it is not as same value as before for me no matter how fancy it is. I gave it value for its rarity, not its appearance or animations or quotes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about quality. They are different. Think that like a tier list and make its tiers like; Free Tier, Rare Tier, Buyable Tier, etc. Rare Tier is S-Tier, Buyable Tier is Tier-1 and Free Tier is Tier-2. Tyrande might be the highest quality piece of the Free Tier now but not valuable than any other Rare Tier skins anymore.
That's not comperable with adventures. Adventures have playable in-game content. They are not cosmetics.I'm ok with everything about adventures unless they are giving all the rewarded cards for free.
Didn't you collect anything in your life ? If you don't, than its normal that you can't understand me.
All people thinks that equality is justice.
Sorry but no, it isn't. An image for you to understand;
going up in flames cause of a discussion of a measly cosmetic is pathetic af too.
I don't believe that you even read all of the posts here but you should know that so I will repeat it;
Something that means nothing to you might mean everything for others.
Like how your family might mean nothing to me while you love them or A toy might mean everything to a child while it is a trash for you.
I really can't understand why people is opposing us to be compensated while we're glad they are finally getting the skin.
I am saying that "While there are so much ways to make all people happy, Blizzard chose only a group of community to make happy. It is wrong." and all are attacking me like "You were on that group when you got Tyrande but we were not. You don't even make an effort to get it! You are supposed to be happy for us.". That's not my problem, like how I am not compensated today is not your problem too. I am being selfish to call that but you are not. True story.
I can even say "I'm glad that you guys can finally get the skin" but people can't say "We will be glad if you will be compensated." Ok guys, I'm selfish here and you are not.
Put that Tyrande in your ass. I'm out.
Yeah, so much people are underestimating this card.
This is basically Elven Minstrel of shuffle decks.
For * We don't know why, but old Adventures are not purchasable with Gold unless you've already bought a wing in the past.
I remember it like; When first time they decided to stop producing Adventures, they had said that It will be available to purchase with gold only if you bought a wing with gold. I've suggested everyone to buy them with gold at least one wing because it won't be available to buy with gold in future in that time (to my roommates at least), so it might be about that.
Well, they also said that wild packs won't be available in that time but after that they said it would be nice to add them to the shop in future. Now they are adding them.
Blizzard might be the most inconsistent company of all times. Not just for Hearthstone, it is like that for all other games of them.
you described exactly what aggro is.
I know zoo as multiple tag synergies with low-cost pieces/examples of minion tribes like using beasts/demons/mechs with around their own synergies and with lots of draws. Like discarding beasts with discarding mechs or beasts that gives buffs to demons etc.
While aggro decks get out of cards(yay outof.cards :P) quickly, zoo decks has an ability to empty and fill quicker. That makes the deck aggressive. It is a little bit different than aggro but similar in some ways.
also => Zoobot
Show me a weapon, I will obey
Sharpen your blade and let me hurray!
Show me the hunt that you want to slay
No common blades for a bulky prey
I agree with this. Cards thats cost decreased in hand should keep their decreased mana cost on board.
That's not so hard to do, right ? I am still waiting for this since Conjurer's Calling abusements.
Noone answered, I've waited a bit but wanted to give another answer. :D
Spellslinger ?
I didn't claim that I'm not toxic.
It will be more healthy for us and also for forum to end the discussion here because there's nothing left to discuss.
Noone has any another arguments, all have expressed their thoughts, we agreed or not. You saw who thinks like you, I saw someone also thinks like me even there are few.
Thank you all for discussing it with me. I've gained something here, I hope you did too.
Cards like Fate Weaver, Grave Rune and so much removal including Galakrond itself and Lazul's whole theme with Galakrond's hero power; I guess blizzard wants us to play only Combo and Steal Shaman Priest(Sorry).
Considering they are not giving a real win condition to priests and keeping only Inner Fire/Divine Spirit they want probably make those meme-y epics that is mentioned below viable.
Actually, there are some win conditions with Leeroy Jenkins/Grave Rune and Fate Weaver with Inner Fire/Charge comboes but I really want something more creative than Inner Fire for future priest. Ok, class identity something, Priest buffs, something but Inner Fire really bores so much after those years.
Galakrond Shaman will be more famaous for shaman lists for sure rather than spell damage/dragon decks but I personally think that Squallhunter is more fearsome than Flamewreathed Faceless because of its synergy and dragon tag.
There is not more of dragon buff cards but shaman have murloc package and there is [Hearthstone Card (tasty fylfish) Not Found] which can buff Squallhunter into 7/9. It might be a sleeper tempo play in shaman lists but i think that Galakrond hype left it in the shade.
Dragon/murloc tempo Shaman might even be a think tbh. Skyfin + Tasty Flyfish + Some Dragons + Some spells are enough to do that with bloodlust. Ah and there is also Underbelly Angler. I will make a deck around those guys.
Surging Tempest + Tasty Flyfish + Skyfin + Squallhunter remembers me that Tunnel Trogg + Totem Golem + Flamewreathed Faceless times so much. Do you know what this means; Shamanstone.
+ Mogu Cultist.
I have even made a deck here. :D