Yeah I'm honestly not sure what kind of impact this nerf is going to have for warrior. It definitely seems like the laziest way to go about nerfing cards, yet again, though...
Pretty funny how they finally decided to nerf Barnes after years of data collection during the time where big priest is at its weakest. The deck gets completely wiped by the majorly buffed secret mages which are everywhere.
At this point I'll take every big priest nerf I can get though. Even if it has such a minimal impact like many users pointed out already.
Extra Arms was unplayable at 3, Priest was the worst class in HS for a long time, now it has a tier 3 deck, I really don't understand this nerf, they are trying to cancel the class or what?
Whoa whoa whoa, I completely agree that the Extra Arms nerf should not happen. But combo priest is one of the strongest decks in the game right now, which I don't mind, since the deck has a high skill celing and isn't unbeatable, but calling it tier 3 is just plain wrong.
Time to nerf Big Priest 1st Blizzard. We Wild players are waiting 2 years for the nerfs so we have priority compared to these few months of Galaxy/Dr Boom issues.
Might just be me but in the past days I haven't seen a single big priest (R4-1, EU). That's the one upside from the massive influx of secret mages, I guess.
So, after a month of nerfs you will be here complaining again for whatever deck gets a positive winrate again, right. And it will all be ok, with some 4k dust wasted on our colections but you will be happily complaining about the next "oh no the devil" card. Whatever, keep wasting resources and money, blizzard likes it! every nerf, more gold and packs are thrown to the garbage, so, more money for them. hell,ask for 5 expansions a year, that would keep a healthy meta.... Have fun, if in EU send messgae, I would like you to try some of my wild decks and see the game for the fun of it,not only the HOLY meta
Ah, the cop out response. I didn't expect anything else, really. Enjoy complaining about Blizzard actually putting in some effort for once in trying to fix unbalanced decks because you can't play your broken stuff anymore. Peace.
Ah yes, because the KotFT meta was extremely healthy where the majority of the decks relied on a single card and if they did not draw that in time, they'd lose. Much like warrior with Dr. Boom, Mad Genius right now. Let's just add more of those cards and warp the meta around them once again. Fantastic idea.
Tell us then, how would you tone down warrior, for instance, by reverting nerfs/HoFs and/or buffing cards?
I really loved the KotFT meta in reality! Not tone warrior down, tone others up? You are playing what, aggro? Give more tools to other classes, aggro and quest paladin are good counters to warriors. Give more aggro tools to other classes.I think vanish is a mistake being all of famed, it would counter mage perfectly. And this is always the same, you nerf a class others appear, and more complaints, and more cards made useless. GREAT buff the one on Luna's, no one used it and now is a great card. Hopefully they had done before with Moorabi, and gave tools to freeze shaman. But it's a dead card forever. You like having useless cards printed?
You didn't answer my question. Aggro (be it paladin or any other deck, I couldn't tell from your wording) is not a counter to warrior. What are you even on about...
Luna's Pocket Galaxy is now the Barnes of standard. Mages having it on curve skyrockets their winrate to absurd amounts. This is not a healthy thing. Then again, seeing how you enjoyed the death knight meta shows you don't really know what makes a meta good or healthy to begin with.
You don't honestly expect that out of the 135 cards released per expansion, the majority of them will see competitive play, right? That is impossible to achieve and if you think otherwise you're most likely very naive or uninformed.
Edit: You also seem to be missing another crucial part. If a certain card/deck gets nerfed, it often gives way for new cards and deck archetypes to see play. As those decks were most likely being hard countered by the deck that got nerfed.
And here we are again, some time ago was Rogue, until they nerf the class to the ground, AGAIN! In two months will be Druid or some other stuff.
STOP ASKING NERFS, it's only ruining our hard won collections, losing dust every 2 or 3 months. Ask for BUFFS!!!
because buffs will totally fix Warrior and Mage
I guess if we bring back Deathstalker Rexxar for every class it would fix the Warrior probelm...and then we buff Big game Hunter to 2-mana , because that has never been a problem.
This is how dynamic game design works you dunce. Nerfs are necessary because you can't predict the meta game from the moment you design a card, so adjustments have to be made as time goes on
yes, the problem with warrior is having the best hero card when not all other classes have heroes. Go to wild, and see where it stands against other heroes. They should have continued to print hero cards. And about mage, remember vanish, what would mages do against it? And if adjustments are needed, why do you continue to ask to tone down cards, tone them up, or reverse other stupid nerfs and HoF's!
Ah yes, because the KotFT meta was extremely healthy where the majority of the decks relied on a single card and if they did not draw that in time, they'd lose. Much like warrior with Dr. Boom, Mad Genius right now. Let's just add more of those cards and warp the meta around them once again. Fantastic idea.
Tell us then, how would you tone down warrior, for instance, by reverting nerfs/HoFs and/or buffing cards?
eh not everybody reports in to the internet sites that hosts stats like this. (hearthpwn, icy, etc..) shit will get nerfed on up as it should. props to blizzard and friends for this current expansion.. bugs will be squashed
That's not how it works. If a deck is (too) strong, it will rise up and there will be an outcry from the community within days. There isn't some secretly super broken deck that flies under everyone's radar but Blizzard's. And up until now, not a single person has cried about quest rogue.
Good article. But calling control decks challenging and then linking control warrior is kinda contradictory, wouldn't you agree? The deck basically plays itself.
Just got shat on by the luckiest fucking quest priest ever. Turn 5 he completed his quest.
When I try it, "Nope, fuck you. Have shite draws and face super aggro for 10 games in a row"
Fucking beyond inscenced right now. I literally want to punch that lucky fucking cunt straight in his dumb ass face
OP said "surprisingly bad decks", not "salt thread"...
I'd agree on quest druid and would like to add quest rogue as well. These two quests seemed like the stronger ones but so far haven't exactly been doing well.
I really like rush/enrage warrior it's such a fun deck I always like midrange/aggressive warrior decks(except pirate warrior) really like that deck so far it's my favorite.
Same, been playing a lot of enrage warrior too. Most warrior decks are too slow for my liking so getting that class to 500 wins will take the longest. This deck is a welcome change in that regard.
Unfortunately its winrate against control warrior is abysmal and I hate losing against that deck. Which is why I plan on trying out highlander hunter and quest paladin next weekend.
It really wasn't. The deck was strong because the meta wasn't targeting it (yet) and it required quite a bit of skill to pilot correctly.
Oh well, I guess your nerf was long overdue, Anduin. How dare you have a good deck before the third expansion of the year is released.
Yeah I'm honestly not sure what kind of impact this nerf is going to have for warrior. It definitely seems like the laziest way to go about nerfing cards, yet again, though...
Pretty funny how they finally decided to nerf Barnes after years of data collection during the time where big priest is at its weakest. The deck gets completely wiped by the majorly buffed secret mages which are everywhere.
At this point I'll take every big priest nerf I can get though. Even if it has such a minimal impact like many users pointed out already.
Whoa whoa whoa, I completely agree that the Extra Arms nerf should not happen. But combo priest is one of the strongest decks in the game right now, which I don't mind, since the deck has a high skill celing and isn't unbeatable, but calling it tier 3 is just plain wrong.
Might just be me but in the past days I haven't seen a single big priest (R4-1, EU). That's the one upside from the massive influx of secret mages, I guess.
Ah, the cop out response. I didn't expect anything else, really. Enjoy complaining about Blizzard actually putting in some effort for once in trying to fix unbalanced decks because you can't play your broken stuff anymore. Peace.
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You didn't answer my question. Aggro (be it paladin or any other deck, I couldn't tell from your wording) is not a counter to warrior. What are you even on about...
Luna's Pocket Galaxy is now the Barnes of standard. Mages having it on curve skyrockets their winrate to absurd amounts. This is not a healthy thing. Then again, seeing how you enjoyed the death knight meta shows you don't really know what makes a meta good or healthy to begin with.
You don't honestly expect that out of the 135 cards released per expansion, the majority of them will see competitive play, right? That is impossible to achieve and if you think otherwise you're most likely very naive or uninformed.
Edit: You also seem to be missing another crucial part. If a certain card/deck gets nerfed, it often gives way for new cards and deck archetypes to see play. As those decks were most likely being hard countered by the deck that got nerfed.
Ah yes, because the KotFT meta was extremely healthy where the majority of the decks relied on a single card and if they did not draw that in time, they'd lose. Much like warrior with Dr. Boom, Mad Genius right now. Let's just add more of those cards and warp the meta around them once again. Fantastic idea.
Tell us then, how would you tone down warrior, for instance, by reverting nerfs/HoFs and/or buffing cards?
This. Also fares far better against warriors.
That's not how it works. If a deck is (too) strong, it will rise up and there will be an outcry from the community within days. There isn't some secretly super broken deck that flies under everyone's radar but Blizzard's. And up until now, not a single person has cried about quest rogue.
Amazing how? I don't think a single competitive deck runs her. Neither now nor pre-SoU.
What is that even supposed to mean? You're not seriously implying that the current iteration of control warrior is difficult to play, are you?
The deck has a winrate below 50%. There is no way that this deck should get nerfed anytime soon.
If you like priest and want to play without legendaries, then aggro priest is probably your best bet.
The only quest which can be completed against the innkeeper is the win 7 games one.
Good article. But calling control decks challenging and then linking control warrior is kinda contradictory, wouldn't you agree? The deck basically plays itself.
OP said "surprisingly bad decks", not "salt thread"...
I'd agree on quest druid and would like to add quest rogue as well. These two quests seemed like the stronger ones but so far haven't exactly been doing well.
Aggro warrior being really competitive looking at its winrates across the board.
Murloc paladin with Finley, Zephrys and Nomi being a thing. Although we'll have to see if this deck will actually survive.
And quest paladin for me as well.
Same, been playing a lot of enrage warrior too. Most warrior decks are too slow for my liking so getting that class to 500 wins will take the longest. This deck is a welcome change in that regard.
Unfortunately its winrate against control warrior is abysmal and I hate losing against that deck. Which is why I plan on trying out highlander hunter and quest paladin next weekend.
To answer your three questions in short:
-Yes
-Yes
-Unsure
ViciousSyndicate will be releasing a meta report this thursday which should give us some more insight on what decks are good and which ones aren't.
Highlander mage should definitely be a viable ladder option though. Probably not the best, but good enough.
Zephrys the Great is a -great- card that boosts highlander decks by a lot. If you want to play these decks, he's a must-craft.
Highlander hunter seems to be the strongest highlander deck in standard right now, though.