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Playing on a budget: Which cards to disenchant?

Hello

I'm very much trying to play on a budget. It does mean that when I play, and my opponent has Zilliax, I lose. Seems a bit of a must-craft card.

I could craft others in stead, but most decks need at least one legendary that I don't own. Zilliax seems the best value to craft. However, I only have 500 dust at the moment.

Is there a way I can find out which of my rare and legendary cards are the likely to be the least regrettable cards to disenchant?

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  • Hello

    I'm very much trying to play on a budget. It does mean that when I play, and my opponent has Zilliax, I lose. Seems a bit of a must-craft card.

    I could craft others in stead, but most decks need at least one legendary that I don't own. Zilliax seems the best value to craft. However, I only have 500 dust at the moment.

    Is there a way I can find out which of my rare and legendary cards are the likely to be the least regrettable cards to disenchant?

  • Either compare your legendaries with a meta report and see which ones aren't included. Or post your legendaries and rares here so that we can help.

    Sidenote: The chances of you losing just because your opponent has Zilliax and you don't are very low. There were most likely many other factors that caused you to lose which you either didn't see, or don't want to see.

  • https://outof.cards/forums/hearthstone/card-discussion/375-legendary-tier-list-crafting-guide

    I made a comment on that list.

  • Playing on a budget i would advise not to disenchant cards especially after team5 successfully buffs cards now

    With quests and wins you can realistically get 100 gold per day which is about 100 dust i would try to be patient and earn the missing dust by disenchanting extras only

  • I think the best approach is to play enough across expansions to know which classes attracts you the least, possibly not at all.

    And not because of their current meta decks and tiers, but above all because of their typical PLAYSTYLE and FLAVOR.

    And you can understand that when you feel you are never going to climb with those classes, even if they had different decks as current ones, even if they were top tiers.

    If you can do that, target a couple of classes you simply hate, you can systematically ditch their expensive cards, making them your dust bank (only dust legendaries AFTER you stop buying cards for a given exp, because of the non-duplicate rule).

    The more you can target the better, but beware of rush or narrow-sighted judgements: you might regret it later.

    ie In my case it is Warlock and Warrior. I used to think i could ditch more, but in time i found out it was not the case. Just those 2.

    Neutrals should always be kept, unless obviously memes.

    ____

    Beyond that, and beyond owning staple cards, it's hard to decide what to actually disenchant, even with reports at hand, because the power of a card may change drastically across different expansions, especially if someday you will step into Wild.

  • Zilliax will rotate in 8 months

    • So, the best counter for Zilliax is to stop playing Standard for 8 months? That's so easy! /s

      • Quote From Conduit

        So, the best counter for Zilliax is to stop playing Standard for 8 months? That's so easy! /s

        :D

        I mean, that is the cheapest option...

        I think if I can get a strong enough deck and skills to get rank 15 or better, then I'll start to make enough dust on a monthly basis to be self-sustainable. I don't have aspirations to attend the grand masters event, or get 20,000 twitch followers :) Just a bit of fun.

  • Since Blizzard has decided to start buffing cards, it has become much more risky to dust clearly bad legendaries and epics. The most safe solution is to target a couple of classes that you dislike as general playstyle and use them has your "dust deposit", disenchanting only cards from them.

    • Quote From Lightspoon

      Since Blizzard has decided to start buffing cards, it has become much more risky to dust clearly bad legendaries and epics. The most safe solution is to target a couple of classes that you dislike as general playstyle and use them has your "dust deposit", disenchanting only cards from them.

      This is the best advice for a budget player. Choose classes you hate playing, and just plan to never ever play them. Disenchant all their stuff (except maybe legendaries, so you don't open those legendaries again later).

      • Quote From sto650
        Quote From Lightspoon

        Since Blizzard has decided to start buffing cards, it has become much more risky to dust clearly bad legendaries and epics. The most safe solution is to target a couple of classes that you dislike as general playstyle and use them has your "dust deposit", disenchanting only cards from them.

        This is the best advice for a budget player. Choose classes you hate playing, and just plan to never ever play them. Disenchant all their stuff (except maybe legendaries, so you don't open those legendaries again later).

        That's a really interesting point!

        I thought it was random irrespective of what you already had? Are you less likely to get repeats?

        I got 2x Magic Carpet in one pack a couple of days ago.

        • Wrote a long post but if you just want the highlights!

          OMG LONG POST  TL:DR SUMMARY!

          -You can't get duplicate Legendaries. All other rarities will duplicate.  

          - Focus on deck design, not so much tier list.  Find a deck you want to make. Make sure it's one you WANT to make and can make with just a few craftings, make sure you NEED those cards in that deck, then craft THOSE.  Even Zilliax would be worthless if the decks you WANT to play don't really need him.

          - Focus the priority NOT on class but on playstyle, and prioritize cards you wouldn't want to play even if it becomes good or gets buffed.  Also aim for ones that are about to go away and try not to craft cards that are also about to go away unless you HAVE to.  Classes change, cards change, but if you hate aggro, you'll probably always hate aggro.

          - The less dusting and crafting you do to get what you need, the better.  A deck that requires 1 legendary that makes you happy is MUCH better than one that requires 3.  

           

          If you want to know the meaning behind all that, read below.

          Quote From frenzy
          Quote From sto650
          Quote From Lightspoon

          Since Blizzard has decided to start buffing cards, it has become much more risky to dust clearly bad legendaries and epics. The most safe solution is to target a couple of classes that you dislike as general playstyle and use them has your "dust deposit", disenchanting only cards from them.

          This is the best advice for a budget player. Choose classes you hate playing, and just plan to never ever play them. Disenchant all their stuff (except maybe legendaries, so you don't open those legendaries again later).

          That's a really interesting point!

          I thought it was random irrespective of what you already had? Are you less likely to get repeats?

          I got 2x Magic Carpet in one pack a couple of days ago.

          Legendaries can't duplicate. It will always give you one you don't have.  The others ignore what you have.

          Meanwhile I would highly advise NOT dusting entire classes.  That's because as the sets change so do the playstyles of each class.  Chances are you aren't really THAT devoted to the image of that particular hero and are instead in love with the playstyle they present and if you find that the deck you most want to play involves a class who've you've dusted down you're stuck.  I know I hated Rogue back when it was a fully combo styled class.  However, last year they've gone far more Tempo and reliant on battlecries or stealing mechanics, Thankfully I still had all of the cards I had collected so I could just craft the few things I needed to make those decks.  

          So don't aim on nuking the entire class.  Instead aim for playstyles.

           

          For example take Oblivitron.  That card is meant for mech hunter decks.  The idea is to be VERY sticky and annoying with mechs that keep summoning mechs that summon other mechs that combine with other mechs that summon mechs and..you get the point.  

          That card really isn't being used in hunter decks, not even the mech ones.  But that can change either due to new sets, no strategies, or the card being buffed so that's not too reliable.  HOWEVER!

          1. The card has only 8 months to live, so even if it becomes hyper useful, you'll only have a few months to worry about it before it goes away from Standard.  A VERY powerful tool budget players have is the "ignore it and let it go away" ability.  I've gone through a lot of metas where That One Deck everyone played was NOT the one I made, so I stayed low, made the decks I wanted, and let rotation wipe the deck away.  Or nerfs.  That Druid nerf swarm in Rumble came at a great time for me.

          2. The most important, do you even WANT to play a deck like what I posted?  Does a hunter mech deck with sticky tempo cards interest you, or would you rather have something faster, like an aggro deck, or slower like a deck that throws out big boys?  Or perhaps you like mechs but you're more interested in what Paladin can do?  Thus even if hte deck becomes #1 in the ladder and Oblivitron is used in every deck in the world you would be bored out of your mind to play it.

          THAT is the ultimate dust candidate.  A card you don't WANT to use no matter how good or bad it is.  

           

          You can look at some of your other cards the same way.  Carpet is a good card, but he's used for zoo styled decks; decks that throw lots of cheap stuff on the board.  Is that even something you want to try out? If so then keep carpet.  If not, then maybe you don't really need them?

           

          Whatever you dust, do it VERY sparingly though.  You hurt your collection every time you dust and craft something: effectively losing 3 cards for every 1 card you make.  I'm not saying to NEVER dust but keep that in mind.

           

          Myself I wouldn't craft legendaries based on a tier list ALONE.  Instead I would look at decks I really REALLY want to make and look at what's in there.  After all, Zilliax is worthless if the decks you want him for also require 3-5 other cards you can't craft, especially since he'll be gone next year.  He's not going to make that Murloc Mage deck you use good enough either.  

          I'll put it another way, Zilliax won't let you make a Conjure's Calling mage if you don't have Conjure's Calling.  Conjure's Calling mage, though, can live without Zilliax.

          Make SURE you have good deck that you can almost craft.   Look for others who have run decks like that and make sure it's something you find fun, or powerful, or whatever you are looking for in a deck.  Also make sure there's not a version that DOESN'T use the card. I wanted to make a Spell Hunter deck last year and wondered if I needed Rhok'delar.  I then found Firebat using the card and, when asked, said that it was the weakest part of the deck and not really needed.  Thus I ended up making a spell hunter deck without it and did well with it.  

          Also make sure about that 'almost craft' as well.  Last year I saw Shudderwock Shaman, loved it, crafted Shudderwock in a flash..then realized it needed 3 other legendaries I didn't have.   Then I watched a lot of Shudderwock games and realized the deck wasn't interesting to me and Shudder really didn't have much of a use beyond it, so yeah.. COMPLETELY wasted 1600 dust.  

           

           

           

          • Quote From Dakarian

            Wrote a long post but if you just want the highlights!

            OMG LONG POST  TL:DR SUMMARY!

            Wow. Thank you. Read the whole thing. Really good.

            I really enjoyed playing Mage to start with, it's very classic-RPG, but I'm not that excited with the big Summon-Four-Giants decks. I've been enjoying playing Hunter, Priest and Paladin. I'm not sure if Hunter is because rather than making my own deck, I used someone else's (so it was a well thought out deck). I've always liked playing healing/buffing RPG characters, which probably speaks to the priest/paladin draw.So that's definitely something for me to think about!

            On side note, I also have a wild legendary: Shadowreaper Anduin - would you consider disenchanting that?

            • Quote From frenzy
              Quote From Dakarian

              Wrote a long post but if you just want the highlights!

              OMG LONG POST  TL:DR SUMMARY!

              Wow. Thank you. Read the whole thing. Really good.

              I really enjoyed playing Mage to start with, it's very classic-RPG, but I'm not that excited with the big Summon-Four-Giants decks. I've been enjoying playing Hunter, Priest and Paladin. I'm not sure if Hunter is because rather than making my own deck, I used someone else's (so it was a well thought out deck). I've always liked playing healing/buffing RPG characters, which probably speaks to the priest/paladin draw.So that's definitely something for me to think about!

              On side note, I also have a wild legendary: Shadowreaper Anduin - would you consider disenchanting that?

              If it's mech hunter then you might have a thing for buff mechanics as Mechanic is basically a buffing mechanic that works.  No worries if you are using someone else's deck, though it is good to try to understand WHY it works well as that sort of thing helps in makgn your own decks later. 

              As far as Shadowreaper... that's a hard one.  On the one hand, I imagine he's still useful in Wild.  On the other, it'll be a long time before you actually use Wild, and it's probably better to keep your standard cards than wild ones.

              Try TRY to see if you can go without dusting him especially if you already have a deck that's working for you.  But if you NEED the dust... yeah he's on the potential dust list.  

              And I'm guessing that Zilliax is for that mech hunter deck.  

              I really REALLY don't want to say this but .. if I was in a world where I could put Zilliax into a mech hunter deck and Shadowreaper dusting is what'll get me Zilliax.. I'd dust it.  But mostly because I don't have Raza or anything that would make Reaper work and I never really cared about him anyway (during Frozen Throne I had the option to craft 2 death knights, neither went to Shadowreaper, and I'm still glad I chose that way).  

              Though first I would HIGHLY see if I could live without it.  But yeah.. that would be a serious option.

  • Dusting non-duplicates is generally not worth it in the long run, especially with legendaries where you're just opening yourself up to getting that same unwanted legend back. But if you're going to dust something, it's usually not hard to tell what is a "crap epic", EG a card that's shitty, but too complex to have as a common or rare card. Gurubashi Offering-tier, if you will.

  • Though there is a lot of good advice already here, I'd like to add a few things, being a veteran budget player:

    1. Don't overfocus on Legendaries. I started playing during GvG and often lost 'because' my opponents played cool legendaries, like Loatheb and Doctor Boom/ So I crafted Doctor Boom as soon as I could, and bought the Naxx adventure, so I had those cards too. I added them to my decks and... still lost! Turned out that I lost more to misplaying then too OP-OP cards. 
    2. Though legendaries sometimes are essential in certain decks, at other times they are completely replaceable. Yes, Zilliax is a very good card, that because of its versatility and power can be tossed in almost any deck. But in most decks, it is very replaceable.  Keeper Stalladris is also an excellent example of a card that is very replaceable in token druid. On the other hand, Myra's unstable element is absolutely essential in Pogo rogue because you need to empty your deck to start shuffling Pogo Hoppers in. When looking at decks, try to understand which Legendaries are replaceable. 
    3. Dusting is uneconomical! I mean REALLY! uneconomical ;)  You have 15 legendaries now. Suppose you dust them all and with your 500 dust, you can craft 4 legendaries. Now in 8 months time. some will rotate out and some will become useless because other cards from your deck rotated out. Let's assume secret paladin becomes meta and you want to craft Commander Rhyssa again - so you then dust your 4 useless legendaries... now you have lost your 14 other legendaries in the process!
    4. Don't overfocus on one or two decks. We have seen lots of nerfs in the past to commons are rares that made decks with 2 legendaries and 4 epics unplayable. That's 4800 dust down the drain. Focus on crafting cards that will always be playable/

    Hope this is useful :)

     

  • Those of you saying to DE Wild Cards because you'll never play it are making a huge mistake. If you are F2P you should never DE anything. Ever.

     Think of it like this. If you DE every Standard Card that rotates you'll never be able to play Wild. At all. You can play Wild on an ultra small budget and, until around Rank 10 anyway, face a far larger variety of Decks. After Rank 10 its all Uber Aggro and Big Priest, but that's another story.

     I'm lucky, I have a damn near complete Collection, missing 5 Legendaries and 4 Epics, but even then its hard to stick to just Standard or just Wild. I'd strongly recommend Wild. It's great fun and a good way to get your Ranked Chest every month. 

  • In the end I decided to keep all my legendaries. 

     

    I disenchanted all my gold cards where I had 3+ of that card (so always keeping 2 for any decks).

     

    This was enough to build a mid range Hunter deck that has got to me rank 16 so far.

     

    TBH I have enjoyed the Dalarian Heist, and played that more than ranked.